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    Really not sure where the OP is going with this one. I have a feeling he thinks any society that doesn't embrace uninhibited anarchy is authoritarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Anarcho-Socialism is Left-Libertarianism. Which is the closest to my political beliefs. Non-authoritarian left people exist... admittedly we are probably rare at this point.
    I dont think its true that we're rare. I suspect that most people.would.actually share opinions with anarcho socialists. Who actually wants to have a boss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butter Emails View Post
    Which is probably why it will never happen, it relies on people voluntarily participating.

    But that's why any kind of anarchistic or pure libertarian government will never exist. They all rely on voluntary participation and voluntary, non-policed, adherence to good morals.

    Anarcho-capitalism (what most libertarians advocate for) relies on businesses not being greedy, when that's the very nature of running a business, greed on at least some level, and many take it to the extreme.
    Most libertarians do not advocate for an cap because an cap.isnt very libertarian. Most right wing US "libertarians" advocate for somethinf like an cap but libertarian has a different among continental philosophers. An cap is probably the most authoritarian system you could dream up. Its pure tyranny. Nothing to check the depredations of concentrated private capital. Its a systen that will NEVER be tried and if it were it would be a colossal failure leaving nothing but ruination and misery in its wake. Somalia x 1000000000000p0
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    Quote Originally Posted by fengosa View Post
    Really not sure where the OP is going with this one. I have a feeling he thinks any society that doesn't embrace uninhibited anarchy is authoritarian.
    No, he feels humans are too selfish to not require force.

    There are major problems with this, because we are not selfish to that extent. In fact, that's called being a sociopath. It is very similar and sometimes even joining the whole Alpha Male concept. After all, how are you going to limit and alpha without force? But, that concept is extremely flawed, as even the guy who came up with it, recanted his finding, due to his studies of captive animals, having contradicting results in those that are free. Even if you look at history, those that rules, were inbread dults in most cases. Their power was never derived from their alpha cunning, but their family wealth.

    When free, animals are more likely to form familiar bonds. It is only in captivity that the paradigm shifts. The confines of a cage and a constant feeding tube, keeps the animals too lazy. It's why it's so hard to reintroduce a captive animal into the wild... you cannot make the familiar bonds to share in survival and there isn't a guy feeding you, cleaning you, walking you or loving you. It's like every self dependent asshole in US, who is so self centered that they pretend all of the support society provides, is their alpha nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Hmm...that's a good point. However I guess my original point stands that labels in US politics is getting extremely messy because people are self identifying as whatever they want. I mean you have libertarians supporting the banning of gay marriage. Cause that makes sense.

    I just think we need move away from any sort of self-labeling as a valid measure of a person's political views and go back to actually judging their views themselves.
    That is what I explained to the OP earlier. I don't care what he thinks he is, it's his views that define his position, not his intentions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    It's like every self dependent asshole in US, who is so self centered that they pretend all of the support society provides, is their alpha nature.
    Clearly humans would be happier as livestock being loved and cared for by a benevolent state, until they dissented against the system and had to be shipped off to a gulag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    Clearly humans would be happier as livestock being loved and cared for by a benevolent state, until they dissented against the system and had to be shipped off to a gulag.
    No theyd be much happier living in destitution poverty and misery as feudal serfs to some rich white oligarch only to be crushed by the police state the oligarchs fund in order to guarantee their ownership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurinaux View Post
    What makes this scenario anymore leftist than it is right?
    He is describing marxism-leninism and maoism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    I dont think its true that we're rare. I suspect that most people.would.actually share opinions with anarcho socialists. Who actually wants to have a boss?

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    Most libertarians do not advocate for an cap because an cap.isnt very libertarian. Most right wing US "libertarians" advocate for somethinf like an cap but libertarian has a different among continental philosophers. An cap is probably the most authoritarian system you could dream up. Its pure tyranny. Nothing to check the depredations of concentrated private capital. Its a systen that will NEVER be tried and if it were it would be a colossal failure leaving nothing but ruination and misery in its wake. Somalia x 1000000000000p0
    Anarchism only works on pre-industrial societies with small, usually ethnic, communities. We live in the 21st century, people exist alongside more than 150 individuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherise View Post
    First, in America single mothers who are unemployed make more than than the average salary.. thats socialism.

    Also why shouldn't we fight them? I mean politically of course, not beat them up like Antifas do.
    First, a person who operates on facts not feels would provide a citation.

    Second, isn't fighting it out politically still authoritarianism? Even if you win the fight, your ideas will still need to be enforced in some fashion.

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