Trumps blames "alt left" for Charlottesville and "very fine people" on both sides.

[Breccia]

Well first off, he is quick to judge Islamic terrorism, but not alt-right terrorism. That is why he is a racist.

Forgot to mention the Central Park Five, who he said were guilty and should be executed even after they were freed by DNA evidence.

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Not a huge surprise, but, add Madeline Albright to the pile.

[Orbitus]

Then there is no alt right as well I guess.

The alt-right named themselves. Neo-Nazi Richard Spencer coined the term. Just because there is no alt-left, doesn't make the alt-right disappear. This isn't an equal game going on here.

[maomoa]

This is the kinda shit Trumpers fall for: http://www.snopes.com/antifa-member-...olice-officer/

They don't need to or know how to fact check. They saw the image above and bam "BOTH SIDES." Literal propaganda getting slurped up like....well...use your imagination.

[Jeezy911]

It's not. Not remotely. The only people who complain about this place being a Leftist hive are people who

(a) are so extreme the definition of leftist includes everybody not them
(b) people too thin skinned to actual be able to deal with counter arguments.

I'm on the right, and I've never felt less than welcome or comfortable here. Even when I go 12 rounds with people.

It's just that you're so far right, so scarily extremist, that you define everybody else, which is to say, civilization, as "leftist".

Or let me put it like this.




Earth is the center. The actual conservatives here are Mars. Our friends on the left are Venus. The actual leftists are the "Sun".

You? You're Neptune.

So of course we're all leftists to you. How could we not be when you're so disassociated from the political center?

You mean so far right as to support illegal immigration reform and against gay marriage the same way Bill Clinton did? I'm not sure you realize how far the political spectrum has moved left.

[Machismo]

Bluntly stated I would largely blame the police. Reports from both sides generally indicate police had stations they never moved from and did little to keep control of the situation. It's actually pretty impressive there was no major rioting.

Honestly, there's not much smalltown police can do when outnumbered 20-1

[Orbitus]

Forgot to mention the Central Park Five, who he said were guilty and should be executed even after they were freed by DNA evidence.

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Not a huge surprise, but, add Madeline Albright to the pile.

He still wanted them jailed during the election too. Even though they were freed by DNA evidence I think in 2002.

[Breccia]

Add the heads of the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps to the pile. Here are their statements, in no particular order.

https://twitter.com/CNORichardson/st...Fid%3D49250803

https://twitter.com/ArmyChiefStaff/s...Fid%3D49250803

https://twitter.com/GenRobertNeller/...Fid%3D49250803

https://twitter.com/GenDaveGoldfein/...Fid%3D49250803

In case you're wondering "hey, I thought the military was supposed to be non-political, that's why Trump had to pull his 100 day self-felating ad because it had McMaster in it" then you're pretty much correct. The military, by and large, does try to stay out of political topics. Until recently, "we condemn racism, American Nazis, and the KKK" wasn't all that political. And yet, here we are.

[Skroe]

You mean so far right as to support illegal immigration reform and against gay marriage the same way Bill Clinton did? I'm not sure you realize how far the political spectrum has moved left.

Uh-huh. If it were just that.

[Breccia]

This isn't an equal game going on here.

Trump's rabid fanbase, which apparently includes a lot more people willing to defend American Nazis and the KKK than even I would have guessed a week ago, needs to convince themselves there is an equal game here. That's they only way they can swallow Trump's actions without the growing, nagging suspicion that they backed a loser from turning into a mental disease.

They aren't going to convince anyone else. Not the Democrats, the Independents, not even the Republicans. They've all been abundantly clear. There is no equivalency. There is no comparison. American Nazis and the KKK are an embarrassment to the 21st century and everyone who isn't a member knows it.

[Jeezy911]

Got a problem with Jews?

Actually no, but he is credited with coining Alternative Right. So he must be the founder of the modern day neo Nazis.

[Skroe]

Add the heads of the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps to the pile. Here are their statements, in no particular order.

https://twitter.com/CNORichardson/st...Fid%3D49250803

https://twitter.com/ArmyChiefStaff/s...Fid%3D49250803

https://twitter.com/GenRobertNeller/...Fid%3D49250803

https://twitter.com/GenDaveGoldfein/...Fid%3D49250803

In case you're wondering "hey, I thought the military was supposed to be non-political, that's why Trump had to pull his 100 day self-felating ad because it had McMaster in it" then you're pretty much correct. The military, by and large, does try to stay out of political topics. Until recently, "we condemn racism, American Nazis, and the KKK" wasn't all that political. And yet, here we are.

According to historians these types of statements contrary to the position of the Commander in Chief have never happened in the United States in this manner. This walks right up to the line of insubordination.

Mattis is effectively Commander in Chief right now.

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Trump's rabid fanbase, which apparently includes a lot more people willing to defend American Nazis and the KKK than even I would have guessed a week ago, needs to convince themselves there is an equal game here. That's they only way they can swallow Trump's actions without the growing, nagging suspicion that they backed a loser from turning into a mental disease.

They aren't going to convince anyone else. Not the Democrats, the Independents, not even the Republicans. They've all been abundantly clear. There is no equivalency. There is no comparison. American Nazis and the KKK are an embarrassment to the 21st century and everyone who isn't a member knows it.

Indeed, but we need to keep our eye on one thing.

Removing Trump is something that is simply going to happen to people like @Jeezy911. Like getting mugged. Or a tornado ripping down his house. Or getting hit by a falling turd by a passing seagull.

I don't think we really need to be making much effort to make them "okay" with it and "accept it". Removing their President is something that is simply happening to them. They're gonna hate it. And that is fine.

The made the moral compromise. They deserve to pay the price for it. They betrayed American principles. Not Liberal, not Conservative. American.

[TZucchini]

Those pee pee tapes must be real bad if Trump had to resort to complimenting actual Nazi's in order to distract from Russia...

[Jeezy911]

The alt-right named themselves. Neo-Nazi Richard Spencer coined the term. Just because there is no alt-left, doesn't make the alt-right disappear. This isn't an equal game going on here.

Not true, do your research before posting inaccuracies.

[GennGreymane]

Actually no, but he is credited with coining Alternative Right. So he must be the founder of the modern day neo Nazis.

Interesting

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Not true, do your research before posting inaccuracies.

When will you do yours?

[Pannonian]

What some of the independent here are not grasping:

This is not a political question.

This is a moral question.

When Nazis attack our society, and this is what it is, i don't care if you support illegal immigration gay marriage/whatever. We can discuss that later. There are fucking Nazis in your country and the president is fine with that. This is not the time for political points. As easy and as tempting it would be to point the finger at the right because they enabled this man in the first place:

1. there is no the right on this case, a lot of the most outspoken people against Trump are conservative/right. So lumping them all together, would be the same what we like to criticize.

2. These people have a tough fight before them. They need to cleanse their side of Nazis. This will take time and it will be painful, but we have to support them, because the Nazis are still there, and if the "normal right" is now attacked by 2 sides (one of them going "na-na, told you so"), they will be marginalized and the influence of the Nazis will just grow.

If you don't think Nazis are a danger to society and need to be fought, well... then maybe you're part of the danger too.

[Breccia]

Those pee pee tapes must be real bad if Trump had to resort to complimenting actual Nazi's in order to distract from Russia...

Hilarious, but I don't see that being the case. This was just Trump trying to take a locomotive off-roading for a while and being surprised when it didn't steer.

[Flarelaine]

I already clarified my statement, the fact you kept harping on it, is rather pathetic. don't you think?

No. The fact that he had to is, however.

[Jeezy911]

Uh-huh. If it were just that.

It's definitely much more, and it's not like Trump is a far right guy, traditional conservatives don't like him. Certainly nowhere near Ted Cruz the Zodiac, but the left was inches from voting a self proclaimed socialist for the nomination of the democratic party. That would be equivalent to voting for Ted Nugent as the leader, but look how far right I am.

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What some of the independent here are not grasping:

This is not a political question.

This is a moral question.

When Nazis attack our society, and this is what it is, i don't care if you support illegal immigration gay marriage/whatever. We can discuss that later. There are fucking Nazis in your country and the president is fine with that. This is not the time for political points. As easy and as tempting it would be to point the finger at the right because they enabled this man in the first place:

1. there is no the right on this case, a lot of the most outspoken people against Trump has been conservative/right. So lumping them all together, would be the same what we like to criticize.

2. These people have a tough fight before them. They need to cleanse their side of Nazis. This will take time and it will be painful, but we have to support them, because the Nazis are still there, and if the "normal right" is now attacked by 2 sides (one of them going "na-na, told you so"), they will be marginalized and the influence of the Nazis will just grow.

If you don't think Nazis are a danger to society and need to be fought, well... then maybe you're part of the danger too.

Everyone has condemned the Fake Nazis, but the left has tried to make the issue about Trump voters. Everything Trump said was reasonable, the media has fanned the flames like they always do.

[Orbitus]

Not true, do your research before posting inaccuracies.

Again, the only one wrong here is you.
Go to the fucking Alt-Right wikipedia page:

White supremacist[6] Richard Spencer coined the term in 2010 in reference to a movement centered on white nationalism, and did so according to the Associated Press to disguise overt racism, white supremacism, and neo-Nazism.[1][7][8] The term drew considerable media attention and controversy during and after the 2016 US presidential election.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

Sit the fuck down.

[Pannonian]

It's definitely much more, and it's not like Trump is a far right guy, traditional conservatives don't like him. Certainly nowhere near Ted Cruz the Zodiac, but the left was inches from voting a self proclaimed socialist for the nomination of the democratic party. That would be equivalent to voting for Ted Nugent as the leader, but look how far right I am.

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Everyone has condemned the Fake Nazis, but the left has tried to make the issue about Trump voters. Everything Trump said was reasonable, the media has fanned the flames like they always do.

You know that being a socialist is not inherently a bad thing? Contrary to say... Nazis.

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It's definitely much more, and it's not like Trump is a far right guy, traditional conservatives don't like him. Certainly nowhere near Ted Cruz the Zodiac, but the left was inches from voting a self proclaimed socialist for the nomination of the democratic party. That would be equivalent to voting for Ted Nugent as the leader, but look how far right I am.

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Everyone has condemned the Fake Nazis, but the left has tried to make the issue about Trump voters. Everything Trump said was reasonable, the media has fanned the flames like they always do.

Ok, please be very very clear on that. What is "fake nazi"?