Teacher fired for writing "Pepe the Frog" book

[LaplaceNoMa]

I would not want a teacher indoctrinating my kids either, so can fully understand that a person of power, power of young children is not allowed in his function if he wants to project his ideas like this onto the next generation.

If this was something written in form of satire this would be alright and considered perhaps amusing. However this is intended for kids so nothing amusing about this all about target audience here.

But somehow the 'progressive' bullshit that's being fed up to children is fine, amirite?

[BuckSparkles]

yes, those history books that gloss over all the the bad shit america has done needs to end!

Considering how many millennial hate the USA and think we are such an evil horrible country, I think what you want is already happening.

I mean, shit, the fact nobody ever mentions how utterly bloody, barbaric, and horrible communism is shows an error in the education system. Or how socialism is a failure.

[Dr Assbandit]

I remember being made to watch an inconvenient truth and a bunch of michael moore trash in early high school.

Luckily, I had a father who basically told me that there are biased teachers who will try and mold you and to remain skeptical.

Good on your father for soundly advice and I agree with him! There is a huge difference however between being a skeptic and being skeptical to the point where you even stop seeing facts that don't align with preconceived biases.

[Alfador]

Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with this.

Not entirely true. Freedom of speech is certainly relevant here as an ideal (though I think the tradeoffs here are fine. Dick things have consequences) and it's still relevant in the legal doctrine sense because Public employers (this seems to be a public school if I read it right) have additional restrictions on their ability to discipline or take other negative action based on speech.

For a normal job they can just fire you for anything they don't like that you said, regardless of how it affects your job. For gov't employer, they can generally only discipline or restrict speech so far as that speech impacts the workplace. Since this is pretty damn disruptive they're probably totally in the clear, especially since they didn't actually fire him, but it's still a relevant issue.

[Jester Joe]

Riiiiight, the old good song about 'freedom to speak things that we consider good'. Just like commies, nazis and your usual 1984-type dystopias.

What on earth are you talking about

Seriously, where is this guy getting arrested, or put to death for what he did?
He lost his job, not his head. Freedom of speech never stretched to job security, it only protects you from the government.

Considering how many millennial hate the USA and think we are such an evil horrible country, I think what you want is already happening.

I mean, shit, the fact nobody ever mentions how utterly bloody, barbaric, and horrible communism is shows an error in the education system. Or how socialism is a failure.

I'm pretty sure how horrible socialism was in Russia during the Cold War is covered quite a bit. Except the issue is that we don't truly know everything that happened, so it doesn't have as much depth to it as what Hitler did.

[Sky High]

Considering how many millennial hate the USA and think we are such an evil horrible country, I think what you want is already happening.

oh I'm sorry I forgot "teh milleinuuuuls" are the ones that approve and write the books you see in schools.

[zorkuus]

Considering how many millennial hate the USA and think we are such an evil horrible country, I think what you want is already happening.

I mean, shit, the fact nobody ever mentions how utterly bloody, barbaric, and horrible communism is shows an error in the education system. Or how socialism is a failure.

And here we go...

[Acidbaron]

But somehow the 'progressive' bullshit that's being fed up to children is fine, amirite?

What progressive bullshit? What exclusive progressive bullshit?

[BuckSparkles]

Good on your father for soundly advice and I agree with him! There is a huge difference hiowever between being a skeptic and being skeptical to the point where you even stop seeing facts that don't align with preconceived biases.

Still waiting for the apocalypse to happen because I drive my car to work.

I mean, hell, I would at least take the ice caps melting, which was predicted to happen by now.

Shucks.

[FlatBootyJudy]

What on earth are you talking about

Seriously, where is this guy getting arrested, or put to death for what he did?
He lost his job, not his head. Freedom of speech never stretched to job security, it only protects you from the government.

He did not lose his job, he got transfered.

[BuckSparkles]

oh I'm sorry I forgot "teh milleinuuuuls" are the ones that approve and write the books you see in schools.

That went over your head. Who taught all the millennials that the USA is a horrible place?

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And here we go...

So communism isn't a terrible system?

[Jester Joe]

He did not lose his job, he got transfered.

Losing his position is pretty much the same as losing his job. It's really semantics, especially since he will no longer be an administrator or teacher.

[Alfador]

What on earth are you talking about

Seriously, where is this guy getting arrested, or put to death for what he did?
He lost his job, not his head. Freedom of speech never stretched to job security, it only protects you from the government.

Once again this needs to be corrected. I mean, you're right somewhat with regard to this case, but woefully off the mark in concept.

Here: for the sake of a cliff's notes version https://www.popehat.com/2017/01/25/q...lic-employees/

TL;DR Public employees' personal speech that is not part of their duties is protected (that is a government employer cannot fire that employee for it) but only so far as it doesn't undermine the employer's interest in discipline and order (in this case an orderly and productive teaching environment)

[Bryntrollian]

So is he from a place where Intellectual Property isn't a thing because someone already created a very similar looking frog called Pepe?

As far as I know there isn't an active trademark.

[zorkuus]

So communism isn't a terrible system?

1. It's not a big threat anymore so why should we spend much time on it?
2. The last part was actually what caught my eye (socialism is a failure)... please "enlighten" us

[Sky High]

That went over your head. Who taught all the millennials that the USA is a horrible place?

uh the internet? going outside of school to get information on the history of this country? also classic patented Bucky projection at play here, "I don't like their indoctrination, but we should go with mine!"

[FlatBootyJudy]

Losing his position is pretty much the same as losing his job. It's really semantics, especially since he will no longer be an administrator or teacher.

Transferring to a different school is not the same as getting fired, can you collect unemployment for getting transfered to another school? It's not semantics my friend, it's a click bait title at that.

[Deleted]

That went over your head. Who taught all the millennials that the USA is a horrible place?

People that taught them skepticism?

[Jester Joe]

Once again this needs to be corrected. I mean, you're right somewhat with regard to this case, but woefully off the mark in concept.

Here: for the sake of a cliff's notes version https://www.popehat.com/2017/01/25/q...lic-employees/

TL;DR Public employees' personal speech that is not part of their duties is protected (that is a government employer cannot fire that employee for it) but only so far as it doesn't undermine the employer's interest in discipline and order (in this case an orderly and productive teaching environment)

It's not that it "needs to be corrected". In this specific case that we are talking about, as shown by what you just said, freedom of speech has nothing to do with this.

Transferring to a different school is not the same as getting fired, can you collect unemployment for getting transfered to another school? It's not semantics my friend, it's a click bait title at that.

I didn't say fired though, hence, semantics.

Yes, it does mean though that his punishment was not nearly as severe as people are making it sound, but he DID lose his job/position.

[Acidbaron]

Considering how many millennial hate the USA and think we are such an evil horrible country, I think what you want is already happening.

I mean, shit, the fact nobody ever mentions how utterly bloody, barbaric, and horrible communism is shows an error in the education system. Or how socialism is a failure.

I feel sorry for you, never having had any modern history class in your basic education plan. Socialism is not a failure, in fact you use socialism, your roads are paid by it, your infrastructure is, your libraries, schools, security forces.
Actually socialism is used in every nation and all western nations use a mixture of many political and economical ideologies and strategies.

I do like how you keep proving how terrible your education system is by being a prime example of how it failed.