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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Can you have a debate without defending Nazi's?.
    Whats wrong with defending Nazis? If you can pull that off that is. It would be an interesting challenge for a lawyer I think.

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    I'm pretty sure all the Trump zealots will disappear sooner or later in a supposed angry self-righteous huff as Trump proves how much of a incompetent shit he is to a point where the zealots can no longer defend him...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherise View Post
    Whats wrong with defending Nazis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherise View Post
    Whats wrong with defending Nazis? If you can pull that off that is. It would be an interesting challenge for a lawyer I think.
    Here comes Cherise, the Libertarian Road Warrior.

    Lets bring the last time Nazis were defended on court, shall we?


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    Mitch McConnell's restrained anger in Charlottesville response shows GOP's Trump dilemma

    There was a reason why it took Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell an entire night to respond to President Trump's chaotic news conference equating counter protesters with the Nazis they came to resist.

    He was livid.

    Two sources close to the senator, speaking under condition of anonymity to describe private conversations, said the pro-civil rights Republican who lived through the 1960s in Kentucky closely deliberated on the best way forward.

    He spoke to a number of aides and confidantes, reflecting on his long career in public service that began working as an aide to former Sen. John Sherman Cooper, a Kentucky senator who was instrumental in the passage of the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts and – specifically – how hard it was being a pro-civil rights Republican at the time.

    McConnell's anger – and the difficulty he felt responding to the leader of his party – highlights the quandary facing many Republicans in the aftermath of Trump’s comments blaming “both sides” for violence that ended in the death of 32-year-old Heather Heyer.

    In the end, McConnell sent out a statement challenging Trump’s position that not everyone who came to the white nationalist rally had hateful beliefs – saying there “are no good neo-Nazis” – without mentioning the president by name.

    It was McConnell's attempt to strike a middle ground. The potential cost of Trump's incendiary remarks is real. And perhaps few understand how far the nation and his party have come than McConnell, who was also present both for Lyndon B. Johnson’s signature of the Voting Rights Act and Martin Luther King’s iconic “I Have a Dream Speech."

    The restraint highlights the GOP's Trump dilemma: Republicans are searching for ways to distance themselves from the president without personally taking on a president who remains popular in many GOP-dominated states.

    “Every member I’ve talked to has been apoplectic about it,” said Doug Heye, a Republican strategist who’s worked at the Republican National Committee and in the George W. Bush administration.

    “This is just the beginning,” added Heye. “The potential for it to be really bad is real."


    The rift within the GOP could also be seen in how the Republican National Committee responded to Trump’s controversial remarks.

    Kayleigh McEnany, the RNC's new spokeswoman, praised Trump’s “message of love and inclusiveness” on Twitter after the Tuesday statement.

    Yet RNC chair Ronna Romney McDaniel said on Good Morning America that “the blame lays squarely on the KKK and white supremacists.”

    In the aftermath of Trump's remarks, many Republicans rushed out statements sending an unequivocal message condemning white supremacists and Nazis – with only some urging the president by name to do the same after days of apparent reversals. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla. was one of them. "Mr. President, you can't allow white supremacists to share only part of blame. They support idea which cost nation & world so much pain," he tweeted.

    For his part, McConnell aimed his statement squarely at dissuading would-be white supremacists in his home state who are planning a rally in Lexington by saying they are “not welcome” in Kentucky.

    According to those close to him, McConnell also didn’t rush out a statement because he was also hesitant to stoke a narrative about a personal war with the president after Trump has publicly excoriated McConnell for the failure of a bill to repeal and replace Obamacare.

    The situation was made all the more delicate given that his wife, Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, was standing next to Trump on Tuesday at the event meant to be about infrastructure. McConnell was upset his wife was caught up in the controversy.

    Another prominent Republican – House Speaker Paul Ryan – also criticized racism and white supremacists without naming Trump, who remains at 79% approval among Republicans according to Gallup’s latest weekly recent polling.

    Lawmakers will be watching closely whether and how far that number dips in the first round of surveys since Trump’s news conference, said Heye, the Republican strategist.

    Other GOP strategists also said it’s the beginning of a tough political chapter for their party.

    “The faction of white nationalists in the party has now emerged and they’re going to go forward,” said Vin Weber, who has advised a number of Republican presidential candidates including Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush.

    Planning for a number of similar rallies is currently underway, including in Richmond, the capital of Virginia, and Boston, as white supremacists target a number of liberal areas more likely to spark violent clashes.

    “You don’t un-ring the bell, but Republicans need to find some way of going on the record, stating very clearly that we are separating ourselves from this faction of our party regardless of its size,” said Weber. That could begin with a congressional resolution when they return from summer recess, he offered.

    Heye said more Republicans may soon come forward to call out Trump – particularly if Trump’s numbers among Republicans drop into the 60’s. “There are a lot of statements that say white supremacy is terrible but they don’t say ‘hey Mr. President’” and reprimand the president by name, said Heye.

    If GOP voters indicate that they share this disdain, more lawmakers will feel free to speak out, he said. “That goes back singularly to Trump’s approval rating with Republicans which goes back to just how unpopular Washington is,” he continued.

    Indeed, a new Politico/Morning Consult poll found GOP voters side with Trump over McConnell when it comes out to who is looking out for the party’s interests. That’s despite another new survey, the Marist poll, finding that Trump’s approval rating has hit its lowest point, at 35%, and just 29% are proud of how Trump behaves.

    Still, the White House shows no signs of further amending Trump’s remarks. Tuesday was his third time Trump was responding to the tragedy, after he drew fire for failing to call out white supremacists and neo-Nazis by name in his initial response on Saturday.

    “The president was entirely correct – both sides of the violence in Charlottesville acted inappropriately, and bear some responsibility,” according to talking points recently distributed by the White House. “Extremists on the left have engaged in terrible acts of violence."

    Heye said he was so personally troubled by Trump’s response that he contacted the RNC and the White House Tuesday night and asked to be taken off their distribution lists.

    “I don’t need any talking points on Trump,” Heye said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
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    It's like a wrestling tag-team match, one goes out, the other comes in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherise View Post
    Whats wrong with defending Nazis?
    You know, I've never had a signature on this forum, but this just might be sig-worthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espe View Post
    So in just a few posts we have false equivalencies, whataboutisms and now feigned ignorance.

    Someone needs to make a bingo card for this shit.

    I almost said drinking game but that would be dangerous.
    Sorry, the PC with the professional tools is in the office. Did i miss anything?

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    Infracted for trolling.
    Last edited by Pannonian; 2017-08-17 at 12:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    did Trump say or imply equal? was equal ever used in any of his statements? please give us the quote of him doing so
    Doesn't matter. The fact that he thinks that one side is just as bad as the side that committed terrorism, is fucking awful and Trump should feel awful. But since we know Trump is a racist, and has a huge history of racism, no one should be surprised he is racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    seriously man can you ever have an open thought out debate with out the personal attacks
    these forums hasn't changed a bit for the few months I stayed away hoping when I came back there would be new members that would have a honest thought out debate and not resort to childish insults and snide comments but I was expecting way to much it is the same o same o nothing has changed
    so later have fun in your echo chamber
    If you think that is a fucking personal attack, I have to let you in on a little fucking secret, IT WASN'T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Can you Americans sort your life out by this time next year please. My sister is getting married over there and I would rather we have a great time, not one where America is burning and we are greeted with the appointed new Hitler.
    Everything A-OK in California.

    Except maybe for a NK Nuke coming for us because of Trump, but yeah everything is ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    I really hope you forgot the /s..
    The state of the internet where you even have to postulate this. SAD!...sorry I realise this isn't helping. Yes I was being sarcastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Holy shit out of all people......
    Stop press.... Steve Bannon uses the media to attack himself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redtower View Post
    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherise View Post
    Whats wrong with defending Nazis? .
    I intentionally cut part of your post, because it doesnt help you in any way... care to explain?
    Forgive my english, as i'm not a native speaker



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherise View Post
    Whats wrong with defending Nazis? If you can pull that off that is. It would be an interesting challenge for a lawyer I think.
    It isn't entirely surprising that you would want to. Considering you defend an alt-right leader in Alex Jones all the fucking time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    When will the alt left learn that this is all their fault? Hillary Clinton is the worst President the USA never had! Can you imagine how much worse this would be with Killary actually condemning hate groups!? Freedom of speech bruhs! Every idea has equal value like Stalinism and Nazism, perfectly fine and not all to have been proven utterly toxic to civilisied society.

    If authoritarian alt leftists weren't so mean about being intoloerant of intolerance then I'm sure the USA would be a much more cohesive place. Remember when ANTIFA mind controlled Hitler into killing all those Jews to false flag the Alt Right when all the Alt Right wants to do is remove and kill all those PoCs!?

    This shit needs to stop! The Alt Left needs to sort it's shit out and stop antagonizing the paragons of virtue that are the Alt Right
    Quote Originally Posted by Espe View Post
    So in just a few posts we have false equivalencies, whataboutisms and now feigned ignorance.

    Someone needs to make a bingo card for this shit.

    I almost said drinking game but that would be dangerous.
    B B B ut Hillary!

    BINGO! (Where my Prize)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    It isn't entirely surprising that you would want to. Considering you defend an alt-right leader in Alex Jones all the fucking time.
    It's equally surprising that you wouldn't. Unless you favor arbitrary indefensible fake moral superiority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    Hmmm an extremist libertarian Alex Jones fan supporting an authoritarian ideology.

    I wonder why.
    Hey I just think hes sexy? Just look at hes muscular tone.. doesn't make me a fan though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    If things continue this way, it's basically impossible. Presidents typically lose ratings, rather than gain them, as they are in office, as they are (rightly or wrongly) held accountable for things that happened. More so, when they are provably the cause of such.

    Trump can turn it around, but at this time, there is no clear route to do so. It'll take substantial effort, possibly a war for ratings.
    With us still in Bush's war, I'm not sure declaring war on yet another country is going to boost his polling.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudol Von Stroheim View Post
    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it's over. Throw Bannon on the pile!



    That's right: the groups Trump refused to condemn, Bannon has now called clowns and losers. The very single last holdout has finally weighed in on the matter, and condemned them in no uncertain terms. "Crush" is not a vague or ambiguous term.

    Trump stands alone.
    I need to find Rick's Portal Gun because this is quite obviously the worst Earth in the multiverse. Yeah sure some of those multiverse Earth's have been populated by giant insects that turn you inside out and lay eggs in your brain whilst keeping you alive as their hideous larvae eat your brains whilst the adults fuck you up your inverted asshole with giant stingers but at least in that version of Earth the President of the USA hasn't managed to out Nazi the biggest Nazi in the Whitehouse.

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    well honestly was it really a problem before they all showed up and started crying? these retards can barely even operate a motor vehicle with competence. they just saw KKK and were like OMG PROTEST OMG WHATTTTT FIGHT HATE AND OPPRESSION

    Charlottesville is a fucking zoo. I want to burn the whole goddamn place down every time I visit.

    Me and a friend were there once, right? In the car with our windows rolled up. I point out a girl to my buddy and I'm like she got a cute ass. Then out of nowhere this girl behind her just starts flipping out and screaming directly at me. I can't even hear what the fuck she is saying because, again, the windows are up but I can faintly make out the word "catcalling".

    now folks i dont know what catcalling is these days but unless my understanding of the word has changed significantly it is to yell at a woman from a distance saying she is sexy or something. which is not something I did.

    people here are so stupid they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molis View Post
    Everything A-OK in California.

    Except maybe for a NK Nuke coming for us because of Trump, but yeah everything is ok.
    The NRA needs a good beating after saying they hope NK nukes my city.

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