What happened to all the moderates?

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That's cos the US doesn't actually have a far left movement.

It does. It's just every Far left movement in the US is Cultural-Marxism or lolcommunism.

[noidentity]

The group has embraced them ===> Fuck the group.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politi...ame/index.html

Yup, fuck those evil republicans, look at them embracing Nazis.

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I tend to find moderates to be wishy-washy and lacking in conviction (swing voters, ugh), if not having completely contradictory or incompatible views (those who 'dabble' in politics). Many seem uninvolved or under-informed to me.

OR they are just cynics who try to elevate themselves "above the controversies" somehow by simply hating both sides (think: south park), which is also not incredibly useful. It's easy to bash everyone when you don't actually take a side or put yourself out there with your own beliefs.

Is it completely alien to you that people maybe have say, Conservative values in Tradition or Social politics and Liberal values in Economics?

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Is it completely alien to you that people maybe have say, Conservative values in Tradition or Social politics and Liberal values in Economics?

Or the opposite, like many European parties.

[XDurionX]

They all got labelled "lefties" by right wingers.

[Dezerte]

Moderates are boring, "unappealing" and quiet.

[elaina]

Is it completely alien to you that people maybe have say, Conservative values in Tradition or Social politics and Liberal values in Economics?

I see that more as conflicted than moderate

For example my parents were liberal on everything except abortion, but still always voted democrat.

Assuming you hold the views you just stated, how do you typically come to conclusions regarding candidates who represent only half of your views? Do you typically find yourself needing to compromise one for the other?

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Or the opposite, like many European parties.

I mean maybe it is US current politics that has soured the idea of "Conservative" but one of my greatest respected Politicians is Teddy Roosevelt, who was by many of his definitions, both extremely progressive and obsessed with Conservation. I think it's rather recently people have assumed Conservation efforts like National parks are somehow "Liberal" and "Progressive" in their ideal.

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I see that more as conflicted than moderate

You are saying that 70% of European political spectrum since the early twentieth century is conflicted?

[Livnthedream]

They all got labelled "lefties" by right wingers.

And right wing nazi's by the 'left'.

Funny how this works.

I for one hope that one of these days we can be treated as individuals to handle issues rather than playing this rather stupid identity politics game.

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I see that more as conflicted than moderate

For example my parents were liberal on everything except abortion, but still always voted democrat.

Assuming you hold the views you just stated, how do you typically come to conclusions regarding candidates who represent only half of your views? Do you typically find yourself needing to compromise one for the other?

Compromise. I voted Tory, despite hating Austerity and their love of Privatization because the Alternative was Jeremy Corbyn, who wanted to nationalize a ton of stuff for no reason, was flaky on his parties stance on Brexit and has communist elements in his party. I know it's far easier to wait out the Storm of Corbyn, and wait for a more Whiggist Labour party to then vote again for them. I feel the Price of the Individual is always sacrificed first under "Socialist" ideas.

[Elim Garak]

Moderates do not participate in politics because politics is an extremist activity.

[Antiganon]

I mean maybe it is US current politics that has soured the idea of "Conservative" but one of my greatest respected Politicians is Teddy Roosevelt, who was by many of his definitions, both extremely progressive and obsessed with Conservation. I think it's rather recently people have assumed Conservation efforts like National parks are somehow "Liberal" and "Progressive" in their ideal.

They are by definition both liberal and progressive.

Liberal because it involves the appropriation of non-public land for a public purpose, and the allocation of tax dollars to protect and maintain it.

Progressive because conservation efforts generally involve in large part attempts to prevent corporations from doing something to damage the specific protected environment - like, say, running an oil pipeline through it, or drilling, or fracking, or dumping waste in a watershed area.

[Khallid]

Are there any left in the United States or has everybody been forced to pick an extreme side? A

Are there still people out there that research candidates based on their records and not their political affiliation?

What about people that think the government can be more fiscally conservative AND also be socially liberal?

Do people think for themselves any more or do they just look up whether a person is a Republican or Democrat before deciding to agree or disagree with them?

Please tell me I'm not the only person concerned that our government and media are being overtaken by extremes on BOTH the left AND the right?

Politicians blame the opposing side for everything that is bad and claim that all the changes they want to make will improve the situation. Logic would say that's basically impossible. But voting is a game of power. You don't win by praising the success of your rival.

The most reasonable way to improve the extremism is by changing the voting system itself, but there are no strong incentives to do that in the United States. It's the voting system that forces politicians to behave like that, not because they are good or bad people. They are simply trying to win according to the rules laid out to them.

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Progressive because conservation efforts generally involve in large part attempts to prevent corporations from doing something to damage the specific protected environment - like, say, running an oil pipeline through it, or drilling, or fracking, or dumping waste in a watershed area.

That is the direct opposite of Progressive. You literally conserve the enviroment as is, preventing any development on the land. It's texbook conservatism Ideology.

[Ham on Rye]

Are there any left in the United States or has everybody been forced to pick an extreme side? A

Are there still people out there that research candidates based on their records and not their political affiliation?

What about people that think the government can be more fiscally conservative AND also be socially liberal?

Do people think for themselves any more or do they just look up whether a person is a Republican or Democrat before deciding to agree or disagree with them?

Please tell me I'm not the only person concerned that our government and media are being overtaken by extremes on BOTH the left AND the right?

I was moderate until the Republicans went completely insane. Now I want to distance myself away from those bible thumping selfish rich white male lunatics as much as possible.

[Video Games]

Dude. I don't often say this but i am legitimately worried. Please get plenty of fluids and some rest. It is possible you are having a minor stroke. I am not even kidding. Your sentences are super disjointed and do not apply to anything that i said. Like... the issue here is sentences like:



Please read this sentence out loud. Your entire response reads like this.

I read it just fine. He likes ice cream but is lactose intolerant. Duh.

[Jeezy911]

The group has embraced them ===> Fuck the group.

So all Muslims are to blame for terrorism?

[igualitarist]

I love how people here says there's no far left, when the alt right is nothing but the reaction to the radicalization process its been happening in the left through the last few years.

There were no alt right until recently and nazis were only dwelling on the deepest and darkests places of the internetz. But then, the sjw, blm and antifas started to make a lot of noise, destroy things and stuff. People got scared and as an answer, radicalized themselves too, giving birth to the alt right.

The moderate left got afraid of the alt right and radicalized themselves too, causing a snowball effect, reducing the amount of moderates

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How does wanting to Keep something exactly the same and prevent any and all development there not counter as a conservative ideology? I mean just because republicans don't want to accept this ideology doesn't mean it's not conservative in nature.