Car ploughs through protesters at Charlottesville Alt-Right rally

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Yes, they are, when they knew that rally was organized and promoted by the Communists. That's quite common with Socialists, they don't march with Communists.

The "Unite the Right" was organized by the Nazis, with Nazi posters, propaganda and even painted shields with fasces delivered to everyone.

Then I guess we can call Jeremy Corbyn a hardline Stalinist then.

[Sky High]

OK, the individual Nazi is someone that believes on the ideology of genocide. Therefore, there is no good individual Nazi. Better?


Just stop with the "good Nazis" BS.

no let him continue, this is absolutely hilarious, considering I doubt he feels the same way about "esjaydubyays".

[Sama-81]

If you're at a rally for white supremacy, using nazi symbols, you're a nazi. I don't care if you want to call yourself one or ot. You align with nazis, you're a nazi.

I totally understand where you are coming from, but a similar reasoning would mean that, for example, organized feminists here are largely left-wing extremists allied with ANTIFA - which for one, here, are the main source of political violence. In other words, depending on how sharply one wants to frame things, more or less a bona fide domestic terrorist organization. I agree that anyone marching with neo-nazis are...well, worthy of most crap one can think of spouting at them, but such equivalences quickly spin out of control.

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You know this raising an interesting question, and I'll let you answer it. Can you be "Pro-White" without being a White supremacist?

Honestly? It can, if the pro-white considers him/herself a victim and want equality to everyone. Which was not the case of "Unite the Right".

[Vanyali]

You know this raising an interesting question, and I'll let you answer it. Can you be "Pro-White" without being a White supremacist?

Is it such an interesting question when all white pride groups are white supremacy groups trying to whine about how it's unfair "black power" exists?

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Then I guess we can call Jeremy Corbyn a hardline Stalinist then.

No, he is left-wing trying to gain votes from where he can.

[Vanyali]

I totally understand where you are coming from, but a similar reasoning would mean that, for example, organized feminists here are largely left-wing extremists allied with ANTIFA - which for one, here, are the main source of political violence. In other words, depending on how sharply one wants to frame things, more or less a bona fide domestic terrorist organization. I agree that anyone marching with neo-nazis are...well, worthy of most crap one can think of spouting at them, but such equivalences quickly spin out of control.

Only if they're marching in an ANTIFA sponsored, marked, and organized rally. If they're marching in a feminist rally, that was marked as a feminist rally and organized as such, they're not.

It's really not a hard concept unless you're trying to spin webs to trap people and distorting everything in the process.

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No, he is left-wing trying to gain votes from where he can.

Not by Vanyali's logic, which is what I am trying to draw upon.

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Honestly? It can, if the pro-white considers him/herself a victim and want equality to everyone. Which was not the case of "Unite the Right".

See, at this point, this is were I'd point out I've not heard anything racist from Richard Spencer, who is supposedly the "Arch-Nazi" of this March.

[Vanyali]

See, at this point, this is were I'd point out I've not heard anything racist from Richard Spencer, who is supposedly the "Arch-Nazi" of this March.

"Spencer has popularized the term “alt-right” to describe the movement he leads. Spencer has said his dream is “a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans,” and has called for “peaceful ethnic cleansing.”"

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"But after dinner, when most journalists had already departed, Spencer rose and delivered a speech to his followers dripping with anti-Semitism, and leaving no doubt as to what he actually seeks. He referred to the mainstream media as “Lügenpresse,” a term he said he was borrowing from “the original German”; the Nazis used the word to attack their critics in the press.

“America was until this past generation a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity,” Spencer said. “It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us.” "

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ch-npi/508379/


Dude's a fucking nazi that wants all minorities out of america. It's *really* not a hard question of what he is.

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Dude's a fucking nazi that wants all minorities out of america. It's *really* not a hard question of what he is.

Pro-White State wouldn't really make you a Nazi, it would make you Authoritarian I guess. Does seem a bit racist to just kick people out of America though, I'd concede that point.

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See, at this point, this is were I'd point out I've not heard anything racist from Richard Spencer, who is supposedly the "Arch-Nazi" of this March.

It was Jason Kessler that organized, someone that believes that Jews escaped Germany to erode Western values.

[Rhamses]

why do you think they are all bad people? its just like any other cult.... do you believe there is zero chance of there ever being a good person inside a cult?

do you believe there should be zero chance of redemption for somebody inside a cult?

Please explain how someone who believes that several racial and ethnic groups are human garbage that should be purged from the planet is a good person.

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why do you think they are all bad people? its just like any other cult.... do you believe there is zero chance of there ever being a good person inside a cult?

do you believe there should be zero chance of redemption for somebody inside a cult?

i dont know how you end up treating other people so horribly Tauror i feel sorry for you =/

Yes, you finally got it, being a Nazi is the same as being part of a Cult that defends the genocide of millions. They even have a bible, it's called Mein Kampf.

It's fucking hilarious that you are trying to shame people for hating the Nazis, it makes you look like a complete looney.

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It was Jason Kessler that organized, someone that believes that Jews escaped Germany to erode Western values.

Haha, That's fucking Hilarious. Partially True and not based on anything like Judaism specifically, but Hilarious.

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Yes, you finally got it, being a Nazi is the same as being part of a Cult that defends the genocide of millions. They even have a bible, it's called Mein Kampf.

It's fucking hillarious that you are trying to shame people for hating the Nazis, it makes you look like a complete looney.

Another Question then. Can you be a National Socialist without being a person who supports Genocide?

[Ripster42]

Only if they're marching in an ANTIFA sponsored, marked, and organized rally. If they're marching in a feminist rally, that was marked as a feminist rally and organized as such, they're not.

It's really not a hard concept unless you're trying to spin webs to trap people and distorting everything in the process.

And we all know how many of those there are. The false equivalencies are real.

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Another Question then. Can you be a National Socialist without being a person who supports Genocide?

Considering that National Socialism includes the genocide part, no, you can't.

[Rhamses]

Haha, That's fucking Hilarious. Partially True and not based on anything like Judaism specifically, but Hilarious.

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Another Question then. Can you be a National Socialist without being a person who supports Genocide?

No. Racism and anti-Semitism is at the core of the Nazi belief system. It has been there since its inception.

[Sama-81]

Only if they're marching in an ANTIFA-sponsored, marked, and organized rally. If they're marching in a feminist rally, that was marked as a feminist rally and organized as such, they're not.

It's really not a hard concept unless you're trying to spin webs to trap people and distorting everything in the process.

Which they have happily done, several times. Marched in ANTIFA sponsored and organized rallies, that is, and that isn't only true for many organized feminists but also several of their leaders, as well as high ranking members of the Left Party, having seats in parliament. If we damn people for who they march with, and treat both as equals, there is no rescue for these people, no caveats to be used. So I agree, it's not a hard concept, and as you can see that kind of reasoning quickly spins out of control. I'm all for damning the ones marching with Nazis as absolute scumbags and whatever else, but using such equivalences are a dangerous thing, not unlike opening Pandora's box.

And we all know how many of those there are. The false equivalencies are real.

Not in the US, perhaps. Here, quite a few indeed. Usually more of the Occupy-type, but still.

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none of those people have committed any genocidal acts why do you role play as if they have? if anyone breaks the law they should be held accountable for their actions

if someone has an opinion on something you don't treat them the same way as a person who has committed violent/criminal acts

Nope. They believe on genocidal acts, it doesn't make them good. But considering that we live in a society of laws, good or bad doesn't have nothing to do with being a criminal or not.

[Ripster42]

No. Racism and anti-Semitism is at the core of the Nazi belief system. It has been there since its inception.

Considering that National Socialism includes the genocide part, no, you can't.

He's most likely not saying the specific word "nazi" because there are other national socialists besides nazis. Then he'll be like, "Gotcha," as if the ploy wasn't completely transparent.