Car ploughs through protesters at Charlottesville Alt-Right rally

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Really? Is it that important, what the basis for the entire societal group they want to kill off is? A couple of million dead being that much worse if they belong to the same race, than a couple of million dead of the same class? At least in my eyes, the hate is certainly the same in level and scope, just directed differently. Systemic mass murder is systemic mass murder.

Which is what I said.

The topic at hand was "good Nazis", something that is oxymoronic based on the ideology of genocide. The Communism was brought as a deflection, when it has nothing to do with genocide. Fuck, but telling that defends mass murder, it pretty much shows where I said related to it.

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The point I am making here is that Effectively these "Nazis" are exactly the same as BLM, Hardcore Third Wave Feminists and Antifa. They are literally all on the same level of hate-mongering.

With that, I agree.

[Sky High]

The point I am making here is that Effectively these "Nazis" are exactly the same as BLM, Hardcore Third Wave Feminists and Antifa. They're all Marxist idealists, they just have different people. They are literally all on the same level of hate-mongering.

okay? no one was arguing against that until you brought it up as a way to defect from the topic at hand. so bully for you I guess?

[Tijuana]

uuuuuuuuh how is this even a question? did I miss the part where genocide is a key tenant of communism? cuz I've never fucking seen or heard of it.

It's key to how Communism actually turned out: Millions dead at the hands of their own leaders. Stalin, Mao, Polpot, Castro...pick any of them and they murdered millions of their own people.

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okay? no one was arguing against that until you brought it up as a way to defect from the topic at hand. so bully for you I guess?

It's not a deflection, I am not defending the Nazis, but I am however, defending Right Wing people, just like I am defending Left Wing people. People at the Rally who didn't adhere to Marxist ideas of exterminating their outgroups, by definition, are neither Nazi's or Communists, and I find it pisspoor to label everyone that just because the protest DID attract them.

The fault here is not holding vaguely similar ideas to these ideologies, it's their application and the rejection of the harmful parts.

[Sky High]

It's not a deflection, I am not defending the Nazis, but I am however, defending Right Wing people, just like I am defending Left Wing people. People at the Rally who didn't adhere to Marxist ideas of exterminating their outgroups, by definition, are neither Nazi's or Communists, and I find it pisspoor to label everyone that just because the protest DID attract them.

The fault here is not holding vaguely similar ideas to these ideologies, it's their application and the rejection of the harmful parts.

uh huh, anyway that goes back to what Van said earlier, the purpose of the gathering was well known to all the people who showed up. I'm sure at least a handful were there to protest the statue being taken down but to those people I say; get over it.

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uh huh, anyway that goes back to what Van said earlier, the purpose of the gathering was well known to all the people who showed up. I'm sure at least a handful were there to protest the statue being taken down but to those people I say; get over it.

My point I am trying to raise more is the Counter-protestors. Many of them were Residents of Charlottesville and not part of Antifa, you cannot lump them all together. I am against Collectivist thinking period.

[Heladys]

The point I am making here is that Effectively these "Nazis" are exactly the same as BLM, Hardcore Third Wave Feminists and Antifa. They're all Marxist idealists, they just have different people. They are literally all on the same level of hate-mongering.

Uh huh. Sure. Supporting oppression and opposing oppression are exactly the same thing.

[Sky High]

My point I am trying to raise more is the Counter-protestors. Many of them were Residents of Charlottesville and not part of Antifa, you cannot lump them all together. I am against Collectivist thinking period.

I never brought the counter-protectors up? this sounds like you should be taking it up with Tauor or whomever.

[Tijuana]

That just is something that happened with pretty much all authoritarian governments at the time, whether they were communist or capitalist. Not all communist nations in that period of time were similarly authoritarian or draconian.

Communism is also not really 'new', it used to exist in conclaves and closed communities throughout the middle ages (and before) already. Sparta, the bad-ass ancient Greece Warrior Sparta, had very strong communist tendencies and laws too, at least for those who were spartans (the conquered peasants and people underneath them had to live by different rules).

What are you on about? You are blaming Authoritarianism and sparing Communism, even though they are the same thing, effectively. Pretty much all modern authoritarians have been Communists. But, regardless of what you want to pin it on, the result of Communism is factually mass murder, in nearly every instance it has been tried. It's an evil doctrine, plain and simple.

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Uh huh. Sure. Supporting oppression and opposing oppression are exactly the same thing.

Marxist ideology tells you to Fight "The Bourgeois"

For BLM: that is White people and any who support them
For Feminists: That is the Patriarchy and any who support them
For Antifa: That is Nazis and any who support them
For Nazis: That is Non-whites and any who support them

They all use the same Marxist exclusionary tactics, the "Us or Them" mentality that Polarizes their inner workings, eventually, you are left with the extremist thinking.

Anyone who is not BLM is Racist
Anyone who is not a Feminist is Sexist
Anyone who is not Antifa is a Nazi
Anyone who is not a Nazi is a Race traitor

They all wish to Oppress people, because fundamentally, they only look out for their in group.

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Communism is also not really 'new', it used to exist in conclaves and closed communities throughout the middle ages (and before) already. Sparta, the bad-ass ancient Greece Warrior Sparta, had very strong communist tendencies and laws too, at least for those who were spartans (the conquered peasants and people underneath them had to live by different rules).

So you don't understand was Communism is, and assume every society that wasn't hard-line Ann Rynd capitalist as Communist or Socialist.

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I never brought the counter-protectors up? this sounds like you should be taking it up with Tauor or whomever.

Neither did I.

All I brought, and I still stand, is that people knew that the march was organized "Unite the Right".

[Sama-81]

The topic at hand was "good Nazis", something that is oxymoronic based on the ideology of genocide. The Communism was brought as a deflection, when it has nothing to do with genocide. Fuck, but telling that defends mass murder, it pretty much shows where I said related to it.

Well, I certainly agree that a "good Nazi" is oxymoronic. No question there. Communism though, is inherently linked to systemic mass murder. It's something entirely unavoidable, to the degree of being a main goal of the ideology, a basic premise if you will. At least it certainly is, has been and will be in every single large scale practical attempt ever. Since I can't really separate genocide from another version of mass killings of the same scope, I can't make any meaningful distinction between the two in regards to 'evil' or similar either. But that doesn't really matter anyhow, I guess, Nazism is no less heinous either way after all, we can all agree on that much. No need for deflections.

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Neither did I.

You all brought up that EVERYONE at the Protest MUST be a Nazi. Fundamentally, I have asked questions constantly showing that the Only Nazis who were there, Were the Nazis. You can easily support SOME arguments the Nazis made, but reject the fundamental parts.

it was called "Unite the Right" not "We're all Nazis now"

I am a firm believer in expressing things properly, without resorting to collectivist assumptions and ideas. To say "EVERYONE" at the Rally was a Nazi, is to invite similar assumptions about EVERYONE.

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Well, I certainly agree that a "good Nazi" is oxymoronic.

That's the point Daish keeps missing. Thanks. The rest wasn't even the topic at hand, was the answer to a deflection.

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That's the point Daish keeps missing. Thanks. The rest wasn't even the topic at hand, was the answer to a deflection.

The "Deflection" is the point that not everyone at the "Rally" was a Nazi. Hell, some of the groups in "The Right" sound very Much Communist on paper.

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You all brought up that EVERYONE at the Protest MUST be a Nazi. Fundamentally, I have asked questions constantly showing that the Only Nazis who were there, Were the Nazis. You can easily support SOME arguments the Nazis made, but reject the fundamental parts.

it was called "Unite the Right" not "We're all Nazis now"

I am a firm believer in expressing things properly, without resorting to collectivist assumptions and ideas. To say "EVERYONE" at the Rally was a Nazi, is to invite similar assumptions about EVERYONE.

The "Unite the Right" was organized by the Nazis, with Nazi posters, propaganda and even painted shields with fasces delivered to everyone.

People went knowingly what the march was about. If you don't want to be called Nazi, don't go to a march organized by the Nazis.

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People went knowingly what the march was about. If you don't want to be called Nazi, don't go to a march organized by the Nazis.

True enough, I agree completely. But I doubt everyone there was agreed to ACTUAL Nazi Terminology. Doubt is the Key to Wisdom after all.

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No.

No to the first, yes to the second.

There is no direct parallel.
Communists in my country defended the Jews and lead the resistance against Nazi's.
Nazi's on the other hand killed 200.000 people and destroyed most of our country.

But this thread is not about communism.
It's about a Nazi rally where a Nazi drove into a counter-protest, killing an innocent person and harming even more.
So stop the apologizing, the whataboutisms and the derailing.

If you can't handle it if people speak badly about Nazi's you can always just NOT read the thread?

And here we have the Marxist in action. He Establishes the Ingroup and Outgroup, then moves to frame the Outgroup as horrible compared to his ingroup, Finally, he applies the outgroup to people he disagrees with.

The Dutch Communist party never held any real power, and was opposed to the direct Nazism enemy. Would you be saying the same thing if the Dutch Communist party rose to power after the Second World War?

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Are you saying Nazi's are not a horrible group compared to all the normal people?
There's a reason we either imprisoned or executed them after WW2.

No, I am saying that Nazis are just as horrible and hateful as Communists, and we executed them because of their actions, not their beliefs. My entire derailment was to dispel this notion that Antifa and the Nazis were different, and that the person being run over, despite being a counter protester, was not Antifa, and therefor this entire Communist Vs Fascist polarization is stupid beyond belief and people need to stop making the discussions on Politics about absolutes.

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Nope, I understand it very well.

As broad definition communist societies are societies where there isn't a strong acknowledgment of personal property or none at all in certain domains.

So how in all hell can you apply that to Sparta?

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Lycurgus

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Interesting read for you here too:
https://mises.org/library/ancient-spartan-communism

So you're confusing Comunalism with Communism, as does the shitty writer you're trying to peddle. All this screams is you do not understand Communism.