Protesters destroy confederate monument in Durham

[Wyrt]

Its a class 6 felony to destroy propert with over 1000 dollars in value.

Directly from the Virginia state lawbook For Class 6 felonies, a term of imprisonment of not less than one year nor more than five years, or in the discretion of the jury or the court trying the case without a jury, confinement in jail for not more than 12 months and a fine of not more than $2,500, either or both.

Still regardless a felony on your record is kiss every getting a job above being a gas station cashier or a laborer goodbye.

That thing isn't worth $1000.

[lockedout]

So they basically get a pardon.

Which would be fair.
Ignoring court orders is much worse and that apparently gets you a presidential pardon.

It still goes on your record as a criminal charge, most likely trespassing.

[Mormolyce]

Heard they are gonna persue Felony charges... Good on them Put these animals in jail for minimum 2 years each.... See if it was worth it to be a criminal now. and then GL getting a job above Mcdonalds with a Felony on your record. These antifa kids are gonna find out what the hammer feels like. Their lives are basically over once the felony charges hit.

Literal animals.

A guy drives his car into a crowd, injuring 19 and killing one, but oh yeah some people vandalising a statue are "animals".

Top kek.

[lockedout]

That thing isn't worth $1000.

Of course it is. Just placing it most likely cost more than that.

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A guy drives his car into a crowd, injuring 19 and killing one, but oh yeah some people vandalising a statue are "animals".

Top kek.

Both are wrong but this thread is about the latter.

[Wyrt]

Of course it is. Just placing it most likely cost more than that.

Pretty sure the cost of erecting it wouldn't be included.

[Amerrol]

A guy drives his car into a crowd, injuring 19 and killing one, but oh yeah some people vandalising a statue are "animals".

Top kek.

More then one thing can be deemed bad at a time. If you think a bunch of idiots forming a mob and kicking a statue isn't insanely primitive, then by all means, go and fling poop with them.

[Moshots]

A guy drives his car into a crowd, injuring 19 and killing one, but oh yeah some people vandalising a statue are "animals".

Top kek.

no one said he isn't.... but you can't justify some dude driving his car over people for you being a Criminal and committing felonies...

Oh a isis attack happened today I think imma go rob a 7-11 and shoot the slurpie machine on the way out.... See how stupid that sounds?


For example
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...117-story.html

The dude who burned down the CVS during the Baltimore riots is serving 4 years in jail. Saying Freddy Grey;s death made me do it wasn't a good defence.

[xwolf1989]

i find funny ppl in this thread using the guy running ppl with a car as an excuse for vandalism.....

[Grapemask]

This thread's a pretty good sign of how this forum desperately needs an alt-right purge. Or are the nazi alt right going by a different name now? Are you like alt alt right? I don't even know anymore. But there's a brand of ridiculously ignorant, thinly-veiled racism that permeates the air around these parts these days.

My thoughts as I've perused the comments, mostly all random and in no particular order:

In times that the country has needed change, it's often come forcefully. The war that precipitated these monuments, for example. Slavery would not have ended on its own, at least not in the South - and therefore the nation, due to the legislative power of the South - despite what any revisionists of history would like to say.

These monuments were created by and large by racists to demonstrate their power over blacks. There's a reason they weren't erected after the Civil War, and instead were enacted during the darkest times of Jim Crow, and then again during the Civil Rights movement. It's the same reason the Southern states didn't start adopting pieces - or all of - the Confederate battle flag until well into the civil rights-ish era; emphasis on battle, because Lee's battle flag specifically was chosen as the symbol of battle against black rights.

It wasn't race baiting or any other nonsense that made people suddenly care about these monuments. People always cared. They were put up to hurt the black community and they did exactly that. African Americans bitched about these things every day of every week of every year of every decade from the 1920s, when the first were put up, to the 2010s, when they finally started coming down.

What changed? Social media and the internet, changing society in massive waves as they have been. Mass media was (and still is) by and large owned by parties not interested in black affairs - not necessarily because of blatant racism, but by virtue of being mostly white, they do not understand the culture. Our black communities complained day and night, but a disinterested mass media didn't put any collective interest in some shitty statues. But with social media, you can jump the line - as Trump is aware, having gone from a "potential candidate" the media ignored pre-2010 (smartphones and always-connected internet) to a news magnet post-2012. Social media means people direct the flow of content, not paper editors or television media directors. The black community achieved strong vocal power and wanted this crap gone, and social media connected them with the sympathetic.

No one is erasing history. Unless there's some plan in the works to burn all the books, shut down the internet, and completely gut the American education system, thus forcing us to learn everything we need to know by staring at slabs of rock and metal, you can learn all about our Civil War the same way you learned about the Louisiana Purchase and the Boston Tea Party and all the other exciting events in American history. Through a book or a teacher. We do not need to glorify losers of a war that was most certainly only about slavery, and not "state's rights" or some other nonsense that did not appear until the 1900s when the wealthy Southern aristocracy devoted resources to re-branding the whole affair.

Yeah, you can pretend you care about property, those evil leftists destroying things, wah, wah, wah. You don't give a shit. It's faux outrage. Even if you don't know in your speaky-speaky part of your brain, you know that little shitty part in the back of your head, the part that does the real thinking, deep down inside, does. not. give. a. single. shit. It's racism, whether it's only a little racism or a lot of racism, whether you acknowledge it or not.

Let it go and support the country moving forward. Be less shitty human beings.

[Dextroden]

i find funny ppl in this thread using the guy running ppl with a car as an excuse for vandalism.....

Just wait till they use it to justify murder.

[Masark]

No one is erasing history. Unless there's some plan in the works to burn all the books, shut down the internet, and completely gut the American education system

Republicans appears to be actively working on the latter two.

[Rhamses]

Both are wrong but this thread is about the latter.

Tearing down symbols of white supremacy, slavery, and treason isn't wrong.

[pharix]

Tearing down symbols of white supremacy, slavery, and treason isn't wrong.

breaking the law is. you don't get to subvert the law just because of your feels.

[Wyrt]

breaking the law is. you don't get to subvert the law just because of your feels.

Such is the cost of civil disobedience.

[Rhamses]

breaking the law is. you don't get to subvert the law just because of your feels.

“One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
-MLK

[Moshots]

“One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
-MLK

Destruction of public property isn't a unjust law lol...

You know how many peoples grandparents great grandparents ect... died fighting in that war? and we should just forget the losing side forget the people who just died fighting for their families.? thats like saying Japan shouldn't mourn the people who had hirishima dropped on them because they were the losers in the war.

You realize that slavery was just 1 of many things the civil war was fought over? One of the main points of the civil war was govermental control of the states vs State control... Something that today we consider a paramount of our country.... If it wasn't for the south fighting for state control... Would we live in an america today where half your liberal states can legalize weed while its still considered a Felony on the Federal level? Or would you perfer if the Feds walked into Cali/washington right now and Threw everyone smoking a blunt into jail for 3-5 years?

[Wyrt]

Destruction of public property isn't a unjust law lol...

You know how many peoples grandparents great grandparents ect... died fighting in that war? and we should just forget the losing side forget the people who just died fighting for their families.? thats like saying Japan shouldn't mourn the people who had hirishima dropped on them because they were the losers in the war.

You realize that slavery was just 1 of many things the civil war was fought over? One of the main points of the civil war was govermental control of the states vs State control... Something that today we consider a paramount of our country.... If it wasn't for the south fighting for state control... Would we live in an america today where half your liberal states can legalize weed while its still considered a Felony on the Federal level?

The civil war was about slavery. These are monuments to slavery and should be removed.

[Rhamses]

Destruction of public property isn't a unjust law lol...

A symbol of white supremacy, racism, and treason deserves to be destroyed. It isn't justified to be protected under the law.

You know how many peoples grandparents died fighting in that war? and we should just forget the losing side forget the people who just died fighting for their families.? thats like saying Japan shouldn't mourn the people who had hirishima dropped on them because they were the losers in the war.

I'm sure there's plenty of Germans who had grandparents who fought and died for Hitler and the Nazis. You think they should have statues of Hitler and other Nazi party leaders in Berlin and other major cities? Just because your ancestor fought for the wrong side doesn't mean that the evil they fought for should be celebrated.

You realize that slavery was just 1 of many things the civil war was fought over? One of the main points of the civil war was govermental control of the states vs State control... Something that today we consider a paramount of our country.... If it wasn't for the south fighting for state control... Would we live in an america today where half your liberal states can legalize weed while its still considered a Felony on the Federal level?

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

-Alexander Stevens
Vice President of the Confederate States of America, Corner Stone Speech, March 21st, 1861

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/l...rstone-speech/

[Dextroden]

“One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
-MLK

Vandalism laws are unjust? Epic.

Next will be murder.

[Rhamses]

Vandalism laws are unjust? Epic.

When they're protecting symbols of evil? Absolutely. That statue deserved to be torn down. There's absolutely nothing positive about it.

Next will be murder.

Only in your twisted mind.