Anti-antifa = fa

[Ragedaug]

I'm pretty sure that Antifa holds no political power, runs no candidates for office, and in general, does not even try to affect change aside from their stated objective of defeating the nazis.

I'm not going to oppose a group that's entire position is "Nazis are bad".

I might oppose their methods, when they use unprovoked violence in order to deliver their message.

But if you asked me to pick a side between Antifa and Neo-nazis/KKK? Antifa all the way, not even a question.

Why would you pick a side? That's insane. If they are wrong, oppose them. We aren't in a lesser of two evils situation here.


"Well, this guy is a rapist and that guy's a murderer. You have to pick one to side with, cause one is definitely worse than the other"

...why can't the rapist and murderer both be wrong? If someone is asking you to pick a side, than that person is part of the problem.

[tankbug]

On Antifa being communists, they're communists in their own words. They're not shy about it.

Really? They used to anarchists, which is not very compatible with communism.

As to the rest, all are points worthy of discussion. When however, you're discussing the merits of groups like Antifa and Neo-Nazis, the extent to which we should embrace markets versus more regulatory regimes kind of fades into the background. Let's just all agree all these politically violent lunatics need to be dealt with severly and then we can return to debating the particulars.

Agreed, hopefully, the fascist will disband and realize that they will never get their apartheid society back, and the Antifa will go back to their basements as a result.

[Deleted]

Nazism killed miliion of peoples because of their skin or religion. Some ppl here like to neutral it 'good stuff' ....

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Haha Communism you mean like the system Putin swore to guard as a former KGB, you mean Communism that Obama in his entire administration sought to undermine while Trump has tried to Bolster and even encourage?

You mean Islam who Obama under his administration had killed, and his organization dismantled while being called soft on Terrorism and a Communist.

Strange how we're talking about Communism, Fascism, Antifa, and Neo-Nazis and you're talking about Putin, Obama and Trump. Are you sure you're in the correct thread?

[Deleted]

Anyone getting flashbacks to the election, how it was really the choice between two really shit things.

Can we get a moderate group, anti-dumbasses?

[ONCHEhap]

yeah but since antifa are actual fascists,wouldn't that mean that anti-antifa are actual antifa?

[Osmeric]

A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems.

A comathematician is a machine for turning cotheorems into ffee.

[Antiganon]

Why would you pick a side? That's insane. If they are wrong, oppose them. We aren't in a lesser of two evils situation here.


"Well, this guy is a rapist and that guy's a murderer. You have to pick one to side with, cause one is definitely worse than the other"

...why can't the rapist and murderer both be wrong? If someone is asking you to pick a side, than that person is part of the problem.

We aren't in a lesser of two evils situation, but we are in an "enemy of my enemy" situation.

[elaina]

Saw an interesting article out of charlottesville of testimonials of nonviolent protesters (including the one that was mostly clergy) locking arms as the tides of Nazis and white supremacists marched over them, speaking fondly about how antifa showed up like they were superheroes or something. Lots of quotes claiming they felt their lives were gravely in danger getting pushed, shoved and knocked down until antifa arrived and evened things out.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Well I am sure a bunch of Basement dwelling Neo Nazi's who normally masturbate to Elves with Big Tit Tays, and LOTRs probably do consider her legs and blonde hair as being more important than her ability to govern.

Well, I'm not in a position to vote for or against her, so I might as well enjoy the view. French politics is fascinating though. What number republic are they on now?

[Doctor Amadeus]

I oppose anti fascists who oppose free speech.

Hate speech isn't disagreeable speech, and when you say something with yes "WORDS" that effects how others have to live and spread hatred a violence towards others, yeah fuck your speech free or otherwise.

I oppose anti fascists who think it's OK to respond with violence to shut down someone you disagree with

Again disagreeable speech sure, speech that targets a group for hate, and violence because of who people are born, NAH!

I also disagree when students do this shit during college sports celebrations can we fucking stop conflating that with someone openly advocating exterminating people based on their skin or sexual orientation.

I oppose anti fascists who label anyone who disagrees with them as a fascist and in turn thinks it's OK to fight fascism with more fascism.

Great, because I oppose anybody who labels anybody who they assume labels them fascist or racist or anything else, over a disagreement like what flavor fucking ice cream they like.

Because God knows the number of times Pepsi Drinkers, Assaulted anybody who said they love Coca Cola...

[tankbug]

From watching them attack people who are not fascist. People who were merely guilty of the crime of being conservative and being where they were at the time Antifa attacked.

So how were they attacked? Did they march with the nazis? Or were they bystanders with Trump-hats or something?
At any rate, that doesn't mean that their official stance is that they want to go to war with everyone that's not antifa. In fact, we never saw or heard from them at all before now.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Well, I'm not in a position to vote for or against her, so I might as well enjoy the view. French politics is fascinating though. What number republic are they on now?

I don't know 5th or 6th, As far as her looks, whatever floats someones vote, I don't care how she looks.

[Deleted]

Nonsense, you don't become racist, because someone else is, that isn't how it works,

Are you saying people are born racists? Hah. People learn their attitudes from somewhere. Very few people would be naturally dumb enough to believe in Marxism either unless they were brainwashed or peer pressurized into it by irresponsible parents or bad company.

Yes other groups can represent a threat, but again it comes down to priorities and not always where you think you stand. Some might say you don't see BLM as a threat because you aren't 100% White, No I don't see BLM as a threat because they don't have the numbers, they don't have the organization, and they are specifically in their charters directed at the Justice system as it relates to police and courts.

Antifa aren't a threat because as rightly been pointed out thus far, all we have seen are basically what some can barely associate with Antifa, often described as Skinny Jean wearing latte sipping Anarchist.

Well if you really need to explained why that isn't a threat or more importantly how they lack the same organization and numbers then you really have no idea what you are talking about in terms of assessing a threat.

Alt-RIght are White Supramacist Neo Nazi's despite what they say, which is a marriage between the Aryan Brotherhood, the KKK, the Sons of Odin, and Hammer Skins which is a Prison gang.

Yeah, we get how your small brain works. Left-wing hooligans aren't leftists or even dangerous even if they wave red flags, shout socialist slogans and call for a violent revolution. BLM hooligans aren't black supemacists or even dangerous, even if they openly sabotage the society and call for the killing of white people. Islamic terrorists aren't Islamic and not a real threat, even if they declare that their goal is to kill or enslave infidels through jihad in the name of Allah and Muhammed. And all right-wingers are Nazis, even if they'd denounce not only Nazis but also every other aforementioned group.

[elaina]

yeah but since antifa are actual fascists,wouldn't that mean that anti-antifa are actual antifa?

Calling them fascist is beyond stupid

[Ragedaug]

We aren't in a lesser of two evils situation, but we are in an "enemy of my enemy" situation.

No sir, we are not. That leads to lawlessness and anarchy, which is you agree with, I can see why you side with Antifa. Think the only way to fight with political thought is with violence is fascism, which makes Antifa the very same thing it purports to fight.

[Bodakane]

If you really believe a bunch of lonely kids living in their moms basement who don't want to enter the work force because it will take away from their "energy crystal healing circle's" would have stopped those mad men, you're delusional. The brownshirts were not very nice, and killed a lot of people, protesting would have been a lulz fest.

Also, i don't think anyone's condoning Nazism, whats worrisome is that people are openly advocating antifa violent tactics. Just because you hate anything right of Stalin doesnt mean you have the right to assault people, that makes you just as bad the nazi shit heads.

These neo nazi nobody just got a POTUS elected.

If you think Nazi's just started while in power, then you don't know dick about history.

[smokii]

Antifa are a bunch of hooligans who use force to suppress speech they don't like. They are also dyed in the wool communists. Communism has killed more people than any single ideology in human history. Not just the USSR either. Every regime that has implemented it has been a murderous, impoverished, disaster.

Capitalism and free trade on the other hand has brought more wealth to more people more rapidly than any other economic system. I get it. Competition frightens you and you'd rather the rest of the world was just as miserable and unaccomplished as you. Forgive us if we're not going to take it lying down m'kay?

lets put a different spin on this shall we.

lets say it was a paedophilia rally instead of white supremacists. we can all agree paedophilia is a bad thing, right? in the same way that we should all agree nazi's are a bad thing, right?

lets say antipaedos (an anti-paedophile group who want to beat up paedophiles) showed up and beat up a bunch of paedophiles.

would you be defending the paedophiles? and their right to free speech? would you want an entire march full of paedobears in your town? would you show up to counter protest or just accept paedophilia?

[ArguesWithStrangers]

I don't know 5th or 6th, As far as her looks, whatever floats someones vote, I don't care how she looks.

I'm more into her niece, but that was a particularly flattering photo earler. She was a babe back in the day though.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Strange how we're talking about Communism, Fascism, Antifa, and Neo-Nazis and you're talking about Putin, Obama and Trump. Are you sure you're in the correct thread?

Well Putin was a Communist, and Alt Right Targeted Obama for being a Communist, how the fuck do words literally have no connection to thought like at all.