Nvidia not releasing Volta "any time soon"

[RuneDK]

hahaha. owned. My thoughts is that some fanboy wanted to start an Internet "discussion" when they do not even understand what is going on.

How was that being owned? The article said nothing of what he said. He said the 56 crushes the 1070 and the 64 beats the 1080 handily. Both of those claims were wrong. The 56 does beat the 1070, but it doesn't crush it....and the 64 isn't on the 1080's level...

There's no fanboyism here, I want AMD to succeed and push Nvidia, I want there to be actual competition in the GPU market because it will benefit us the consumer.

[Kagthul]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roNc1AAevMM

Vega 64 cant even catch a mildly overclocked 1080 when it is OCed to the gills.

[Thunderball]

Looks like those 4k 120-165 hz panels coming out soon will have to wait to really be fully utilized.

We dont even have much 1440p 144Hz IPS panels, let's start with those.

[RuneDK]

Looks like those 4k 120-165 hz panels coming out soon will have to wait to really be fully utilized.

Yea, that's why I went with a 1440p monitor now. It's not IPS, but honestly I don't care. It's a great gsync monitor. Those 120-165hz 4k monitors will be too expensive too. So waiting a few years for tech as well as pric s tondrop on good 4k monitors will be good.

[kaelleria]

I'd imagine with the inclusion of variable refresh rates in the HDMI 2.1 spec we're going to see G-Sync and FreeSync go the way of the dodo in the next few years.

[Iannis]

Well this all makes me sad. My 980ti struggles a bit at 1440p in several games I enjoy.
Wanted to skip 1080, and Vega seems to just be a thirsty 1080 as well. Really hoped
Volta would be out before Christmas. I wanted to toss it into a new Coffee lake rig. Oh well, maybe next spring.

[Life-Binder]

I'd imagine with the inclusion of variable refresh rates in the HDMI 2.1 spec we're going to see G-Sync and FreeSync go the way of the dodo in the next few years.

^ this


though mass implementation of HDMI 2.1 will take a while, but its inevitable just like 2.0 replaced 1.4

[RuneDK]

I'd imagine with the inclusion of variable refresh rates in the HDMI 2.1 spec we're going to see G-Sync and FreeSync go the way of the dodo in the next few years.

When/if that happens, I'll be happy...I love my monitor, but for a 4k monitor with gsync it was a tad ridiculous...I could've bought a 55-60" TV for the same price. Would love to see monitor prices normalized again.

[kaelleria]

When/if that happens, I'll be happy...I love my monitor, but for a 4k monitor with gsync it was a tad ridiculous...I could've bought a 55-60" TV for the same price. Would love to see monitor prices normalized again.

It'll take 2-3 years more than likely. We'll start seeing super expensive HDMI 2.1 stuff at CES 2018, then at CES 2019 we'll see all the low cost, offbrand panels with HDMI 2.1.

Give or take a year of course. All you have to do is look at how HDR has played out to get a feel for the timeline and pricing.

[ali725]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...cussion-thread


https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu...n_march_2018/1

Looks like flim forced to buy any gpu now and then sell during march to buy volta if its really good

[Evildeffy]

I'd imagine with the inclusion of variable refresh rates in the HDMI 2.1 spec we're going to see G-Sync and FreeSync go the way of the dodo in the next few years.

Not going to happen with FreeSync as the very technology you mention is actually being used in the HDMI 2.1 spec you're so cheering for.

As well as the fact that it's an OPTIONAL technology to use, not MANDATORY to remain to the spec.

FreeSync works over DisplayPort and HDMI, why do you think HDMI absorbed it into their spec? FreeSync yay.

AMD works with open standards and "FreeSync" is nothing but a modified "Adaptive Sync" which was already in DisplayPort standards long before it existed.
And FreeSync is fully compliant with "Adaptive Sync" standards as well as the HDMI one you're about to get... so the only one you'll be missing is nVidia.

Have fun with that

[Lathais]

I'd imagine with the inclusion of variable refresh rates in the HDMI 2.1 spec we're going to see G-Sync and FreeSync go the way of the dodo in the next few years.

Doesn't that basically just mean you'll be able to use the various forms of Adaptive Syc(FastSync/FreeSync/GSync) on HDMI 2.1 instead of being require to use Display Port as it currently is? While I could be wrong, this is not going to replace G-Sync and FreeSync, it's just going to allow them to be used on HDMI instead of require Display Port.

[Life-Binder]

Not going to happen with FreeSync as the very technology you mention is actually being used in the HDMI 2.1 spec you're so cheering for.

As well as the fact that it's an OPTIONAL technology to use, not MANDATORY to remain to the spec.

FreeSync works over DisplayPort and HDMI, why do you think HDMI absorbed it into their spec? FreeSync yay.

AMD works with open standards and "FreeSync" is nothing but a modified "Adaptive Sync" which was already in DisplayPort standards long before it existed.
And FreeSync is fully compliant with "Adaptive Sync" standards as well as the HDMI one you're about to get... so the only one you'll be missing is nVidia.

with HDMI 2.1 you are not forced to use Freesync ecosystem and forced into their *cough, subpar* high-end GPUs and rely on Radeon drivers to have Freesync work consistently and bug-free

yay !


in theory even Intel iGPUs, once they start having HDMI 2.1, will be able to have VRR

Doesn't that basically just mean you'll be able to use the various forms of Adaptive Syc(FastSync/FreeSync/GSync) on HDMI 2.1 instead of being require to use Display Port as it currently is? While I could be wrong, this is not going to replace G-Sync and FreeSync, it's just going to allow them to be used on HDMI instead of require Display Port.

replace in this case means "made obsolete" (presumably)

by having a HDMI 2.1 device you will have VRR

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the biggest part here is that with HDMI 2.1 we will finally get VRR on TVs at least

Freesync already works over HDMI since a year or more ago IIRC

and yet in all that time, as far as I know, there have been zero Freesync (much less Freesync 2) TVs announced, much less actually released .. TV manufacturers just dont care about Freesync over HDMI


but they will care about HDMI 2.1

[RuneDK]

It'll take 2-3 years more than likely. We'll start seeing super expensive HDMI 2.1 stuff at CES 2018, then at CES 2019 we'll see all the low cost, offbrand panels with HDMI 2.1.

Give or take a year of course. All you have to do is look at how HDR has played out to get a feel for the timeline and pricing.

I'm personally fine with the timeline. HDR is a nice addition, HDMI 2.1 seems like itll be a great addition as well. Normalizing the price of 4k Monitors in the next five years is something I am going to be looking forward to. Current prices being so ridiculous is really my problem. I love my PC, but $800 for a 4k monitor right now is absurd. Can't wait to see the price of 120-165hz 4k monitors in a few months/year...it will be even more ridiculous.

[Life-Binder]

I dont see how HDMI 2.1 will drop prices on 4K monitors tbh

if anything if HDMI 2.1 costs them to implement then the prices may rise a little

[RuneDK]

I dont see how HDMI 2.1 will drop prices on 4K monitors tbh

if anything if HDMI 2.1 costs them to implement then the prices may rise a little

Like all technology, price comes down over time. At first yes hdmi 2.1 will be expensive. It should go down over time. Gsync is a "premium" feature right now. HDMI 2.1 probably won't be a "premium" feature in five years.

[Evildeffy]

with HDMI 2.1 you are not forced to use Freesync ecosystem and forced into their *cough, subpar* high-end GPUs and rely on Radeon drivers to have Freesync work consistently and bug-free

yay !

in theory even Intel iGPUs, once they start having HDMI 2.1, will be able to have VRR

You don't seem to understand... "FreeSync" isn't really AMD's ecosystem.. it's DisplayPort's ecosystem.
And it doesn't matter, bugs will always remain.. you think G-Sync works without issues? Drivers and VRR will always require updating.

Intel already supports "Adaptive Sync" which is DisplayPort's own and by that extension supports AMD's FreeSync as well as the 2 are fully compliant with each other.

And repeating that AMD's FreeSync over HDMI will be used, as it is again just "Adaptive Sync" for your TVs etc.
Whether you like it or not going with HDMI 2.1 you WILL be entering FreeSync territory and it'll be free-to-use... whether you want to or not is another matter.

nVidia will NOT follow this as they will remain in their own proprietary ecosystem.

replace in this case means "made obsolete" (presumably)

by having a HDMI 2.1 device you will have VRR

the biggest part here is that with HDMI 2.1 we will finally get VRR on TVs at least

Freesync already works over HDMI since a year or more ago IIRC

and yet in all that time, as far as I know, there have been zero Freesync (much less Freesync 2) TVs announced, much less actually released .. TV manufacturers just dont care about Freesync over HDMI

but they will care about HDMI 2.1

Because TVs generally have no use whatsoever for VRR technology.
98% is movies, series, etc. which has 0 use for VRR because of a fixed low frame rate operation.
The other 1,9% are console games which don't go beyond 60Hz regardless and are often lower and fixed at either 30 or 60 making VRR once again mostly useless.

And TVs are generally not used as monitors, therefore there has been 0 need to introduce something like VRR into TVs and you'll still not see them for the most part even if the standard comes out because unless consoles start becoming beastly PCs with 100+ FPS you'll still not see it.
Why do you think there are barely any TVs out there using DisplayPort connectors and technology?

Unfortunately .. both FreeSync and G-Sync technologies will remain to muck things up!

[Life-Binder]

"FreeSync" isn't really AMD's ecosystem

Freesync certainly is AMDs

the VESA adaptive sync itself isnt

you think G-Sync works without issues?

mine has worked 100% flawlessly for a year now

though, thats without SLI

Whether you like it or not going with HDMI 2.1 you WILL be entering FreeSync territory

I will be using HDMI 2.1s Game Mode VRR, not Freesync

nVidia will NOT follow this as they will remain in their own proprietary ecosystem.

your crystal ball tell you that they will not support certain HDMI 2.1 features ?

not like Gsync or existing Gsync monitors will dissapear anywhere

Because TVs generally have no use whatsoever for VRR technology.
98% is movies, series, etc. which has 0 use for VRR because of a fixed low frame rate operation.
The other 1,9% are console games which don't go beyond 60Hz regardless and are often lower and fixed at either 30 or 60 making VRR once again mostly useless.

TVs can and do get used as displays for PC games

whether on the desk as an actual monitor or just with a gamepad connected to the PC

in fact thats what a lot of OLED enthusiasts do atm since that is the only real way to get your PC games on OLED right now (there is technically a Dell OLED monitor, but its only come out recently, costs ~$3000-3500 for a 30" screen and its OLED implementation is worse than LG 4K OLED Tvs from what Ive read)

and for these reasons a lot of them also eagerly wait for HDMI 2.1 LG/Sony OLEDs

And TVs are generally not used as monitors, therefore there has been 0 need to introduce something like VRR into TVs and you'll still not see them for the most part even if the standard comes out

again with the crystal ball

LG/Sony etc. will fully support HDMI 2.1 on their TVs and VRR support will be a good incentive to get those for both PC gamers and future VRR-enabled consoles (Xbox 1 X, PS5, Xbox 2)

.. the only question is whether we get HDMI 2.1 in 2018 or in 2019

[Evildeffy]

Freesync certainly is AMDs

the VESA adaptive sync itself isnt

Yes it is but you misunderstood what I've been trying to get across...

mine has worked flawlessly for a year now

though, thats without SLI

And I can tell you from my clients and simple Google searches that G-Sync is still having issues, especially with differing frequency multi-monitor systems where the 2nd monitor has issues with blinking, flickering etc.
Bugs are everywhere...

I will be using HDMI 2.1s Game Mode VRR, not Freesync

On what will you use that exactly? Your console(s)? Because nVidia sure as hell won't support it

your crystal ball tell you that they will not support certain HDMI 2.1 features ?

not like Gsync or existing Gsync monitors will dissapear anywhere

The HDMI 2.1 feature is optional to implement and would be free vs. G-Sync ... the premium ecosystem nVidia has built-up to work with.
Adaptive Sync is "Free" as well... nVidia never wanted to use that either.
And I just said both FreeSync and G-Sync will remain active as ever damnit...

TVs can and do get used as displays for PC games

whether on the desk as an actual monitor or just with a gamepad connected to the PC

in fact thats what a lot of OLED enthusiasts do atm since that is the only real way to get your PC games on OLED right now (there is technically a Dell OLED monitor, but its only come out recently, costs ~$3000-3500 for a 30" screen and its OLED implementation is worse than LG 4K OLED Tvs from what Ive read)

and for these reasons a lot of them also eagerly wait for HDMI 2.1 LG/Sony OLEDs

And the amount of people using TVs as monitors compared to the rest of the market is 0,01% .. making VRR virtually useless for sales, more cost to implement and why DisplayPort is rare on TVs.

Also "Only real way to get PC games on TVs is OLED" .... what the hell?

It still doesn't change that it is such a large minority that even 0,01% is a massive overestimation of PC users using TVs as gaming screens.
Mostly because TVs have anywhere from 20 - 80 millisecond lag and their panels generally aren't high frequency at all but use tricks to make you think it is.

again with the crystal ball

LG/Sony etc. will fully support HDMI 2.1 on their TVs and VRR support will be a good incentive to get those for both PC gamers and future VRR-enabled consoles

.. the only question is whether we get HDMI 2.1 in 2018 or in 2019

You state I'm the one with the crystal ball to predict the future but let me ask you:

Has LG or Sony (since you bring these up all the time) told you that they will specifically support AND IMPLEMENT Variable Refresh Rate of the HDMI 2.1 spec?
Since it's, once again, an OPTIONAL spec to support you can say you "fully support" HDMI 2.1 but omit VRR spec and you would still be right as you fully support the mandatory HDMI 2.1 specs, not the optional ones.

You realize that VRR technology isn't something that you can just "implement" and then all devices that use HDMI 2.1 ports can use it right?
Separate firmware and hardware have to be made and tailored to each other to work, it's not a matter of "Plug & Play" as you think it is.