I'm not a pessimist but every hero has a moral stain.
I'm not a pessimist but every hero has a moral stain.
Why do people care about a confederate statue to begin with?
TIL people get super mad when you take away their participation trophies.
Johnny Appleseed. Crazy man who went around planting apple trees during the early days of the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Appleseed
The statue makes him look like a hobbit.
Here's another with his "pot" hat.
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"This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can."
-- Capt. Copeland
Because the South looks at the Civil ware in a RADICALLY different way and it's something that modern northern or foreigners cannot be bothered with.
There is a big subtext in the Civil war about Economics, States Rights, Federalism, and Property. Most people seem to consistently evaluate the past by modern standards (as the guy in the video stated.) To me, a lot of the characteristics of someone who state "the civil war was about slavery" and then equate all southern pride as "racism" are the same people who mock people for how "a book written 2000 years ago doesn't have anything to do with you." It's call cognitive dissonance.
This is a statue in Taichung, Taiwan Province of China.
MLK was a womanizer who disapproved of gay people, so he's obviously off the list. The Founding Fathers were slave owners, so we can't have them either. I can't think of a single politician or sports icon who was a perfect human, so no statues there. So who does that leave? Wonder Woman and Aquaman?
Unreason and anti-intellectualism abominate thought. Thinking implies disagreement; and disagreement implies nonconformity; and nonconformity implies heresy; and heresy implies disloyalty — so, obviously, thinking must be stopped. But shouting is not a substitute for thinking and reason is not the subversion but the salvation of freedom. - Adlai Stevenson
Because half the symbolism from the statues is that they get to keep their dignity. You effectively calling for salt in the wound for people who were already beaten is damning. What is hilarious, is the same people calling for this are the same ones rambling on about how Trump is the great divider when these actions are far more divisive. That isn't how you bring people together.
Unreason and anti-intellectualism abominate thought. Thinking implies disagreement; and disagreement implies nonconformity; and nonconformity implies heresy; and heresy implies disloyalty — so, obviously, thinking must be stopped. But shouting is not a substitute for thinking and reason is not the subversion but the salvation of freedom. - Adlai Stevenson
I disagree, heroes are people who we can all look up to, something to aspire to be. We all need heroes in our life even if they don't wear capes or fight in wars, they might be a three time cancer survivor you know, someone who against all odds overcome the impossible. Or those that did a great deed in putting others before themselves making the a great sacrifice.
Heroes are very real, they are just not your typical heroes from comic books. Or those we considered heroes int he past
I am all for keeping statues up, our history should be that of learning, not something to be forgotten, even if you have to take the statue down, put it in a museum to educate people, I think that's super cool. Never destroy them though, that would be like erasing history. Keep it make people learn fromt he mistakes of our past especially if that statue is in many ways offensive and dated.
To be fair statues would be a lot better taken care of if they were all in museums than being pooped on my the flying rat of our fine streets every day 24/7:P
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There is a severe lack of awareness around these parts. He isn't honored for being a womanizer but for the good things he did. The same can't be said about confederate leaders. Most of their statues were specifically erected to honor the horrible things the confederacy stood for.
there's a difference of scale between having major character flaws and leading armed rebellion to fight a democratically elected government and then losing. that's why we don't want confederate statues up. it would be like us putting up hundreds of statues of Benedict Arnold.
He was a hypocrite who wanted equality for blacks, but not for gays.
Key word is "most". Which is not all. The Civil War was a huge black eye, but everyone had a different reason for fighting.
This latest stunt is just SJW who have nothing better to do then to cause chaos. It is just headline grabbing, feel good stuff. So they can go home and tell their friends that they "were there when" such and such happened. Of all the problems in this country, a fucking statue is the least of anyones concerns.
We have currency with a genocidal leader (Jackson) and have a Federal Holiday, National Capital and numerous other cities and counties to memorialize another (Columbus). Yet their first act is to tear down some statue? Its a symbolic movement with only one purpose, to grab headlines.