Is saying "all right wingers are fascists" the same as "all muslims are terrorists"?

[Chrysia]

Most of the people on this forum.

Citation fucking needed.

[primalmatter]

Not really...

It sorta is but most people understand terrorism few people seem to actually grasp what fascist means and just use it to mean bad.

[JohnBrown1917]

Fascism is authoritarian. Past that, it can be left or right-wing.

Facism is a right wing form of authoritarianism, they are not interchangeable.

Some scholars consider fascism to be right-wing because of its social conservatism and its authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[45][46] Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the political right, explaining that, "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."[47]

Italian Fascism gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[48][49] A major element of fascist ideology that has been deemed to be far-right is its stated goal to promote the right of a supposedly superior people to dominate, while purging society of supposedly inferior elements

[lockedout]

Citation fucking needed.

Just read peoples posts, you got your citation. Also no reason to curse.

[Dys]

Yes, generalizing is generalizing.

Is this the part where we realize that 90% of the population needs to go back to school to relearn basic human concepts?

[Xandrigity]

Who actually says all right wingers are fascists?

Plenty of people do, for example antifa

Actually they go a step further and call them nazis

[JohnBrown1917]

Plenty of people do, for example antifa

Actually they go a step further and call them nazis

They only do that to the far right, most of them do know the difference between liberals and the far right. This just sounds like some myth.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Radical Islam is actually a Far Right Ideology, which is pretty ironic.

No what is Ironic is the Right wingers generally attack radical Islam for the very conservative right wing values they have towards everything especially women. So when a right winger is asking about feminism or women's rights or those raped or treated less than human, what they actually mean is "why they aren't allowed to do it" and what happens if that is done to their women instead of doing it themselves.

[niil945]

Is saying "all right wingers are fascists" the same as "all muslims are terrorists"? Both are wrong generalisations. However it seems to appear the first one is never frowned upon, and the latter one is. Especially on these forums.

How is that? Isn't is a tiny bit hypocritical to call all right wingers fascist because they generalise, while at the same time your doing the exact same thing? How is it different from the right wingers saying that all muslims are terrorists or all mexicans are criminals and rapists?

I'm left on most but not all issues. Yes it's hypocritical.

[The One Percent]

That would depend on if the person making accusations is trying to mock all the right wingers who did the exact same thing about Muslims.

You think all right wingers think all Muslims are terrorists? I guess the irony is lost upon you.

[Dezerte]

It's the same fallacious statement.

[Noomz]

Is saying "all right wingers are fascists" the same as "all muslims are terrorists"? Both are wrong generalisations. However it seems to appear the first one is never frowned upon, and the latter one is. Especially on these forums.

How is that? Isn't is a tiny bit hypocritical to call all right wingers fascist because they generalise, while at the same time your doing the exact same thing? How is it different from the right wingers saying that all muslims are terrorists or all mexicans are criminals and rapists?

Of course it is.
I can't agree with you about their useage though. Both are frowned upon yet both are used. I've never seen anyone just state that all right-wingers are facists here. I have however seen more than one person say all muslims are terrorists.

[tumppu]

If I had to choose between muslims and right-wingers, I'd pick to live with right-wingers any day of the week and twice on sundays. Generalisations are all cool and dandy, but they will get you nowhere.

[SupBrah]

Many make the case that Fascists were and are leftist, certainly by today's standards it falls on the left. I think the problem is the left and right is not set in stone and is in a constant state of motion. I would also say the left/right spectrum is more than a little arbitrary anyway, I doubt many fall completely on the left, right, up or down, we are all a mix. Maybe we should focus more so on what is authoritarian and libertarian. Certainly the "left" leans more and more heavily towards authoritarianism right now. The definition of left and right also differs between country so maybe this isn't an argument either can win. I would just say most of the evils from the last 100 years or so originate from those that line up with the current mainstream left in the US and Europe.

It was. I mean Nazis were called the National Socialist Worker's Party

inb4 "B... But they weren't real socialists!"

- Hitler was vocally against capitalism and much of his anti-jew retoric was rooted in anti-capitalistic beliefs
- Almost all jobs were from the public sector. One of the largest sources of employment in Nazi Germany was infrastructure and tech paid for through public funding.
- Education was completely regulated by the government
- You know that socialized healthcare controlled by the government that leftists love so much? Nazi Germany had it, and even the doctors were salaried by the government.
- Hitler implemented many, many environmental and green policies.
- Nazi Germany had strict gun-control laws and eventually they implemented a law forcing all jewish citizens to surrender their guns to the state.


Hell... Replace "Jews" with "1 percent" (or even "white males" for that matter) and you literally have a utopia for the average, modern, far-left liberal.

Hitler was, more or less, a failed Liberal Arts student who felt he was promoting equality by oppressing people he viewed as privileged... But apparently he was "right-wing" because the ones he viewed as priveleged were jews and not white males

[Zecora]

Is saying "all right wingers are fascists" the same as "all muslims are terrorists"?

Yes it is, which is why I don't say that.

[Elba]

It was evil, sure they invented modern terrorism techniques, but dare I say it, Islam has been a terrorist organisation from it's inception (600 years after Christ), that's not to say all Muslim's are terrorists of course, but the ideology will always lead to it imho.

This post is super ironic with your user name given how heavily inspired Dune and the Fremen were by Islam.

[Chrysia]

It was. I mean Nazis were called the National Socialist Worker's Party

inb4 "B... But they weren't real socialists!"

- Hitler was vocally against capitalism and much of his anti-jew retoric was rooted in anti-capitalistic beliefs
- Almost all jobs were from the public sector. One of the largest sources of employment in Nazi Germany was infrastructure and tech paid for through public funding.
- Education was completely regulated by the government
- You know that socialized healthcare controlled by the government that leftists love so much? Nazi Germany had it, and even the doctors were salaried by the government.
- Hitler implemented many, many environmental and green policies.
- Nazi Germany had strict gun-control laws and eventually they implemented a law forcing all jewish citizens to surrender their guns to the state.


Hell... Replace "Jews" with "1 percent" (or even "white males" for that matter) and you literally have a utopia for the average, modern, far-left liberal.

Hitler was, more or less, a failed Liberal Arts student who felt he was promoting equality by oppressing people he viewed as privileged... But apparently he was "right-wing" because the ones he viewed as priveleged were jews and not white males

This post is pure drivel. Hitler wasn't pro-capitalism, but he wasn't pro-socialism either. It's not a binary thing.

EDIT: Hitler wasn't interested in promoting equality in any fucking sense, either. Jesus, this is delusion at this point.

[GennGreymane]

Hypocrites generally lack self-awareness.

hi pot, im kettle

[Zecora]

It was. I mean Nazis were called the National Socialist Worker's Party

Yeah, I guess that means that the "Democratic People's Republic of (north) Korea" is a Democracy then? Or maybe it means that words are just words.

Let us take a look at what the NSDAP (the Nazi party in Germany) actually WAS:

The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: About this sound Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (help·info), abbreviated NSDAP), commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party (/ˈnɑːtsi/), was a far-right political party in Germany that was active between 1920 and 1945 and practised the ideology of Nazism. Its precursor, the German Workers' Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; DAP), existed from 1919 to 1920.
The party emerged from the German nationalist, racist, and populist Freikorps paramilitary culture, which fought against the communist uprisings in post-World War I Germany.[6] The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[7] Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, although such aspects were later downplayed in order to gain the support of industrial entities, and in the 1930s the party's focus shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.[8]

inb4 "B... But they weren't real socialists!"

To late, by 87 years. ADOLF HITLER said that, way back in 1930

"Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxist Socialism." -Adolf Hitler, 1930

- Hitler was vocally against capitalism and much of his anti-jew retoric was rooted in anti-capitalistic beliefs

Yes, he was supposedly against capitalism, although he said: "I absolutely insist on protecting private property ... we must encourage private initiative" (1942)

- Almost all jobs were from the public sector. One of the largest sources of employment in Nazi Germany was infrastructure and tech paid for through public funding.

And? There is nothing exclusively Left-wing about this. It's Statism, not socialism.

- Education was completely regulated by the government

Again, nothing Left-wing about this.

- You know that socialized healthcare controlled by the government that leftists love so much? Nazi Germany had it, and even the doctors were salaried by the government.

So does just about every western country, whether they are predominantly Left- or Rightwing, except the US.

- Hitler implemented many, many environmental and green policies.

Are you drunk or something? Environmentalism is not exclusively Left-wing either (although the "Fuck the environment" stance does seem to be tied into the fringe Right-wing).

- Nazi Germany had strict gun-control laws and eventually they implemented a law forcing all jewish citizens to surrender their guns to the state.

Now I'm certain you're drunk or high. Almost every nation outside of the US (left- or right-leaning) has gun control laws.

Hell... Replace "Jews" with "1 percent" (or even "white males" for that matter) and you literally have a utopia for the average, modern, far-left liberal.

And now you're implying that the Left want genocide. Bravo, you're nothing but a partisan zealot at this point. Or maybe you are projecting...you DO seem to hate anything left of the fringe-right.

Hitler was, more or less, a failed Liberal Arts student who felt he was promoting equality by oppressing people he viewed as privileged... But apparently he was "right-wing" because the ones he viewed as priveleged were jews and not white males

What you are doing is mistaking "right-wing" for "ultra capitalist" (Hitler was the first, but not the second). That is as bad, and as ignorant, as mistaking "left-wing" for "communist". Try getting some education, and you might actually learn a bit of history, as well as a bit about the world outside the US.

And yes, I get that it's "inconvenient" that Hitler and the Nazi's were right-wing (just as it is "inconvenient" that Stalin was left-wing), but he's YOUR asshole, not the Left's. So stop trying to pawn him over on us, it does nothing but make you look ignorant and pathetic.

[Kathranis]

Hmm...

Low education, high unemployment, fundamentalist religious beliefs, xenophobic attitudes towards foreigners.

Which group am I describing?