Why Even Nazis Deserve Free Speech

[Deleted]

Those were from extermination camps, a concept that is either completely unreachable to your logic or you don't honestly care.

Can you show me on the pictures where exactly are people getting killed?

[Zecora]

Where are the gas chambers?
Again, I don't deny that millions of jews died to sickness and famine. But millions of people die to sickness and famine in Africa, and it's not called a genocide.

Where are the gas chambers?! Go to Auschwitz. You'll find them there.

People like you make me sick.

[Livnthedream]

America was founded by Freemasons, Puritans, Quakers, and other marginalized minority groups considered too extreme and radical for the rest of European society. They came to the New World to escape oppressive governments who suffocated liberty. That's why American citizens have the right to assemble, even with tiki torches and Nazi flags, and they have the right to say whatever they want, even if it's racist hate speech. If you do not have any faith in the Constitution that has held this country together for 241 years through countless wars and threats both foreign and domestic, then you should consider moving to another country in search of the socialist utopia you seem to think can and should exist.

Unlike many of you here, I'm old enough to remember George Lincoln Rockwell and the American Nazi Party. Do you know how we as a nation reacted back then to a much larger group of American Nazis than what exists now? We laughed before ignoring them and going about our day. And do you know what happened? The initial shock value wore off and they faded back to the dark corners they crawled out of. By trying to fight them now under your Antifa flag, dressed in black and covering your faces looking exactly like the fascists you claim to hate, all you're doing is feeding the trolls. You're giving them attention. You're making them seem more important than they are. You're fueling a fire that would die out if you were to simply laugh and ignore it like the rest of us rational human beings do. The far left is not helping. It's making it worse. A choice between Nazis and Communists is no choice at all. Choose to be American instead.

I like you. Keep being you.

And before anyone quotes Marx et all about "eliminating the bourgeosie", that's a class argument, not an individuals argument. It's about the elimination of the class, leaving those who were part of that class no different than anyone else, any more. You don't have to kill anyone to do that.

You don't have to kill anyone to create Spencers white ethno-state either, yet it is repeatedly referred to as genocide. Funny how that works.

[Deleted]

Yep, Rudolf Hoss level. Come on, moderators, do your job.

Uh-huh. Instead of giving an answer, quickly silence your debating partner. Exactly what I expected.

[Acidz]

Not sure how things are in the US, or in whatever country this forum is based in, but in most countries holocaust denial is illegal. There goes your free speech for nazis.

[zealo]

Those are some sad pictures and locking people into concentration camps was a terrible thing and a war crime. But I don't exactly see what do they prove.


Where are the gas chambers?
Again, I don't deny that millions of jews died to sickness and famine. But millions of people die to sickness and famine in Africa, and it's not called a genocide.

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Prove me wrong.

The buildings used are still there and can be visited to this very day as a tourist. You implying the gas chambers doesn't exist is just you being a nazi apologist, at best.

[Deleted]

Can you show me on the pictures where exactly are people getting killed?

I'm not going to post graphic images on the MMOC.

[Deleted]

Locking people up into concentration camps, where they starve to death, and die of disease as a direct result of your actions IS genocide.

Are the Allied forces also guilty of genocide if the famine and lack of medicine was a direct result of their actions?

[Deleted]

Uh-huh. Instead of giving an answer, quickly silence your debating partner. Exactly what I expected.

Sure, it's a debate.

EDIT: OK, he is now gone.

[Machismo]

Are the Allied forces also guilty of genocide if the famine and lack of medicine was a direct result of their actions?

When it comes to locking up minorities, and those minorities dying as a result, yes. So, the Japanese Americans that died while in custody of the United States government were victims of genocide.

You are a vile Nazi apologist. I would never dare silence you. I want the world to know what kind of fool you are.

[zorkuus]

You don't have to kill anyone to create Spencers white ethno-state either, yet it is repeatedly referred to as genocide. Funny how that works.

It would be genocide because a lot of people wouln't allow it, so how are you going to accomplish it if not by force?

Just report the nazi trolls people.

[Wolfman31]

i'm not fully convinced completely ignoring them is the right way.

The alternative to ignoring them is what? Changing the laws of the land to revoke their Constitutionally protected rights? And where does that end, exactly? If one group doesn't get access to free speech, it's only a matter of time before some other group gets their rights revoked as well. It's a slippery slope to totalitarianism. Most people don't realize that the political spectrum is actually circular. It's not a line. The further you go in one direction, the more you come full circle and become that which you initially set out against. Liberal extremists think they're fighting some righteous war against Nazis and in the midst of all that virtue signaling, they're willing to justify any means necessary to accomplish their goals, which is the prelude to totalitarianism.

The sum of the Antifa message has been, "anyone who doesn't agree with us is a Nazi!" and that could lead to a very destructive witch hunt that could ruin democracy as we know it in this country because if you talk to these thugs about their actual political views, they sound like anarcho-communists more than normal everyday Americans. Extremists of any variety should be ignored to the point of marginalization while the majority of the population continues to vote along more moderate lines. With the way the media is trying to sensationalize everything for the sake of profit, they're making this look like an "us vs them" struggle for both sides when in reality, there is a huge gap between either extreme and that gap is filled with the majority of Americans, the majority of voters. I just hope the bulk of us are smart enough to retain our moderate position between these two vocal minorities because for either side to gain any tangible ground would greatly damage and fracture our democracy.

[Sunseeker]

The alternative to ignoring them is what? Changing the laws of the land to revoke their Constitutionally protected rights? And where does that end, exactly? If one group doesn't get access to free speech, it's only a matter of time before some other group gets their rights revoked as well. It's a slippery slope to totalitarianism. Most people don't realize that the political spectrum is actually circular. It's not a line. The further you go in one direction, the more you come full circle and become that which you initially set out against. Liberal extremists think they're fighting some righteous war against Nazis and in the midst of all that virtue signaling, they're willing to justify any means necessary to accomplish their goals, which is the prelude to totalitarianism.

The sum of the Antifa message has been, "anyone who doesn't agree with us is a Nazi!" and that could lead to a very destructive witch hunt that could ruin democracy as we know it in this country because if you talk to these thugs about their actual political views, they sound like anarcho-communists more than normal everyday Americans. Extremists of any variety should be ignored to the point of marginalization while the majority of the population continues to vote along more moderate lines. With the way the media is trying to sensationalize everything for the sake of profit, they're making this look like an "us vs them" struggle for both sides when in reality, there is a huge gap between either extreme and that gap is filled with the majority of Americans, the majority of voters. I just hope the bulk of us are smart enough to retain our moderate position between these two vocal minorities because for either side to gain any tangible ground would greatly damage and fracture our democracy.

Please demonstrate the tangible benefits of allowing free speech of Nazis and similar hateful groups. What benefit to the nation does their voice provide?

[Livnthedream]

It would be genocide because a lot of people wouln't allow it, so how are you going to accomplish it if not by force?

Just report the nazi trolls people.

You think 'the bourgeois' is just going to let you come take their shit? That isn't trolling mate, that is pointing out the logic fail.

[Machismo]

Please demonstrate the tangible benefits of allowing free speech of Nazis and similar hateful groups. What benefit to the nation does their voice provide?

That's easy to answer, you have freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is the tangible benefit.

On that note, the same people who whine that their freedom of speech is being infringed, are the first to push for limiting immigration.

[apeiron1234]

Yeah, only good communists are accepted! The ones that burn down peoples property, beat up police officers and stab police horses in the neck.

You know when people are hurting each other I attribute that to human nature. When you start hurting animals for no reason... That is a true monster.

[Blur4stuff]

Free speech has always had limitations. It's never been, "do and say whatever you want no matter what".

[Sunseeker]

That's easy to answer, you have freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is the tangible benefit.

On that note, the same people who whine that their freedom of speech is being infringed, are the first to push for limiting immigration.

WRONG. Allowing Nazis to speak is no different than allowing a virus freedom to roam your body. It's no different from allowing a company to sell poison as health food.

Simple "freedom" isn't good enough. Nazis are unambiguously dangerous. Dangerous things should not be allowed to have microphones and soapboxes.

[Livnthedream]

Please demonstrate the tangible benefits of allowing free speech of Nazis and similar hateful groups. What benefit to the nation does their voice provide?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...VjN/story.html

[Sunseeker]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...VjN/story.html

WRONG. Allowing Nazis to speak is no different than allowing a virus freedom to roam your body. It's no different from allowing a company to sell poison as health food.

Simple "freedom" isn't good enough. Nazis are unambiguously dangerous. Dangerous things should not be allowed to have microphones and soapboxes.