immigration to europe

[Deleted]

do you think people would still be so anti-immigration if instead of people from middle east or africa people from south america, east asia or southeast asia were coming instead?

[Xjev]

Immigration is not easy and I don't think people have incentive to move that far specially these days where job market is not that good, unless you have very good offers. And those countries are not in bad shape these days.

[Tennis]

They would be. Just look at Brexit and the racist hatred towards Poles.

[Malacrass]

do you think people would still be so anti-immigration if instead of people from middle east or africa people from south america, east asia or southeast asia were coming instead?

As we could see with Poles and brexit, you don't have to use middle easteners and islam to successfully rally people against immigration.

"They take err jobs" is still the most powerful trigger, especially because it doesn't affect everyone equally.

[aviger]

All you need is a large low educated populace and someone who can yell "EVIL PEOPLE COMING" really loud and boom...immigration problems :P

[Independent voter]

Well, say the Russian economy starts going downhill in a big way and now you have Russian refugees trying to get into the EU.

One thing that's obvious is that the cultural divide between Russia and the EU is no where near as great as the cultural divide between Syria and the EU.

[Deleted]

Well, say the Russian economy starts going downhill in a big way and now you have Russian refugees trying to get into the EU.

One thing that's obvious is that the cultural divide between Russia and the EU is no where near as great as the cultural divide between Syria and the EU.

lol!! if online interaction can be trusted then europeans hate russians! always get problems when playing with russian friend in online games

[Deleted]

Yes if they brought 10-fold crime rates and 5-fold unemployment with them.

[Xjev]

lol!! if online interaction can be trusted then europeans hate russians! always get problems when playing with russian friend in online games

haha I have worked with russian developers remotely, they are very cool people. Seems they are a bit unhappy about their overall situation, but no where as bad to want to leave their country. Immigration is not easy, you really need a strong incentive for it.

[omeomorfismo]

do you think people would still be so anti-immigration if instead of people from middle east or africa people from south america, east asia or southeast asia were coming instead?

my father comes from perù and i was called nigger anyway. same offenses and punches that today little immigrants have to bear.
no culture is immune from racism, is a plague deeply rooted in the humanity

[OokOok]

It's the religion people from the middle east that bring with them people hate, it doesn't belong in a modern civil society. Also when's the last time you heard about Asia terrorist bombing a city who let them migrate there, never, they become doctors.

[Cerilis]

Just check Vietnamese immigration to East Germany and how that worked out.

It doesnt matter where the immigrants come from or what religion they have, there will always be xenophobes and those pushing the hatred.

[Pannonian]

Simply put yes, because facts don't matter at all.

You can see it here in Vienna. It has always been full of people from all different origins. When austria was still a monarchy the immigration often changed according to politics. 100-150 years ago there was a big influx of czechs and they were hated with a passion. In the 60s when we had the first turkish immigration wave you could see a lot of people protesting on TV with names like "Kovac". Same happened later with the war in the balkans. Today the far-right immigrant party recruits a lot of their voters from the children of these people. It's a never-ending cycle. The absurdity lead to an awareness poster in the 70s:



The little austrian boy asks the immigrant why is he called a "Tschusch" (derogatory austrian term for immigrants) when both of them share the same surname.

It is known.

Isn't it the same for the USA? The german, the irish, the catholics, they all were shunned groups at a time.

[Torto]

Immigration is a requirement to stop the deflation of the European populace. A more pertinent question would be why there is population deflation instead of where Europe gets its immigrants from.

The answer, imo, is because of feminism.

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They would be. Just look at Brexit and the racist hatred towards Poles.

Does Poland have an immigration problem?

[Aggrophobic]

do you think people would still be so anti-immigration if instead of people from middle east or africa people from south america, east asia or southeast asia were coming instead?

It doesn't matter. People will find others to blame for their own mistakes.
Can't get a job? Must be someone elses problem, right? Can't be you that's simply stupid?

[Deleted]

They would be and they are, it was the same when Ukranians started to migrate to the west when the war started, just before the Syrian Migration crisis. They were just as "demanding" as the ones from middle-east and it was mostly men as well, but nobody was talking about it in the media.

They weren't just throwing away their documents, they were burning off their fingertips so they couldn't give fingerprints.

People are the same everywhere, they are afraid of foreign people when they come in big numbers looking to settle where you live. It's one of our natural instincts.

[Kraenen]

People really don't mind east asian immigration because they bring a lot of great benefits like wealth, successful culture, intact families, and they aren't considered superior (i.e. a replacement) by most people.

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Yes.
These people used the exact same arguments 30 years ago against other groups.
And 80 years ago too.
And before that.

Do you really think all immigrants are the same across time/space/culture/ethnicity?

[Malacrass]

Does Poland have an immigration problem?

They do, but the other way around. Since they joined the EU a ton of skilled workers left the country, not only those who do seasonal work on plantations.

So they try to attract people from Ukraine to fill the void, with a relatively easy path to citizenship (within a year). Far as I know the biggest hurdle is that you've got to proof that you have a polish background, which is pretty easy for most Ukrainians due to Polands & Ukraines.... checkered past. And of course, money solves everything anyway.

Follow-up problem is the fact that once they are polish citizens they don't only have the right to work in Poland, but in the entire EU. Which can actually become a problem if you have a state that intends to make a business out of it (citizenship for money, the ticket to the EU). Not the case in Poland currently, but some of the candidate countries like Macedonia.

[Freighter]

Immigration is a requirement to stop the deflation of the European populace. A more pertinent question would be why there is population deflation instead of where Europe gets its immigrants from.

The answer, imo, is because of feminism.

No, my home country has far worse birth rates than European countries and it's pretty patriarchal compared to European countries.

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People really don't mind east asian immigration because they bring a lot of great benefits like wealth, successful culture, intact families, and they aren't considered superior (i.e. a replacement) by most people.

Now australia is not europe but I met people who were pretty negative to our presence in australia.

[Sama-81]

do you think people would still be so anti-immigration if instead of people from middle east or africa people from south america, east asia or southeast asia were coming instead?

Pretty much says it all, doesn't it...