CNN does report on Antifa

[Strangebrew]

Wait Endus. Are you literally defending Communism now? That's hilarious.

Note how the ones who usually complain about people using whataboutism is now using it themselves in full force.


b-b-b-b-but captalism guizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


So much pathetic commie garbage on this forum lma0

[zorkuus]

Wait Endus. Are you literally defending Communism now? That's hilarious.

He was disputing false claims. If you said communists killed over a billion people and I said no they didn't, would I be supporting communism?

Critical thinking seems to be dead around these parts.

[Video Games]

OH SHIT!

/20chars

I cracked the code. Now what do we do????????

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He was disputing false claims. If you said communists killed over a billion people and I said no they didn't, would I be supporting communism?

Critical thinking seems to be dead around these parts.

No, What Endus is doing is writing big long fancy replies when all he's doing is defending Communism and the way it killed Billions of people due to it's Marxist roots allowing for utterly horrific actions of violence and oppression in the name of "Revolution"

[Vyxn]

What happened with the peasants of Ukraine when they tried to resist the collectivization of Soviet agriculture? Did they not get put down by force , and have all their grains confiscated? As was in check with the ideology?

How much older is capitalism compared to communism?

Ive already proved him wrong on his assertion that the figures of communist death toll were inflated because of counting famine
only time famine was counted if it was proven to be deliberate

Famine, economic growth, and happiness[edit]
Rummel included famine in democide if he deemed it the result of a deliberate policy, as he and most academics have concluded about the Holodomor. He has said that there have been no famines in democracies, deliberate or not.[18] He also argued that democracy is an important factor for economic growth and for raising living standards.[19][20] He has noted research showing that average happiness in a nation increases with more democracy.[21]
According to Rummel, the continuing increase in the number of democracies worldwide will lead to an end to wars and democide. He believed that goal might be achieved by the mid-21st century.[22]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Rummel

don't think we will see him back in this thread he has a tendencies to disappear when you prove him wrong

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Fascism requires the exaltation of nation and/or race. You can't just use words without knowing their meaning.

The only people exalting nation and race are Trump supporters.

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce,[3] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

You are correct. If you delete the word nationalism though, you have a near perfect description of Antifa's ideology.

The only word in that definition that applies to the vast majority of Trump supporters on the other hand, is Nationalist.

So by that score, it seems the only people more fascist than Antifa are some fringe neo-nazis and Klan members, who were not Trump's key constituency, I assure you.

[Vyxn]

He was disputing false claims. If you said communists killed over a billion people and I said no they didn't, would I be supporting communism?

Critical thinking seems to be dead around these parts.

147 million isn't a false claim and that is what he attempted to dispute and failed

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Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce,[3] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

You are correct. If you delete the word nationalism though, you have a near perfect description of their ideology, so meh.

As I have explained thousands of times. National Socialism draws on Marxist ideology just like Communism does.

[zorkuus]

No, What Endus is doing is writing big long fancy replies when all he's doing is defending Communism and the way it killed Billions of people due to it's Marxist roots allowing for utterly horrific actions of violence and oppression in the name of "Revolution"

So now it's billions. Fuck this, good night.

[Endus]

not ignoring it just that I know your wrong

Famine, economic growth, and happiness[edit]
Rummel included famine in democide if he deemed it the result of a deliberate policy, as he and most academics have concluded about the Holodomor. He has said that there have been no famines in democracies, deliberate or not.[18] He also argued that democracy is an important factor for economic growth and for raising living standards.[19][20] He has noted research showing that average happiness in a nation increases with more democracy.[21]
According to Rummel, the continuing increase in the number of democracies worldwide will lead to an end to wars and democide. He believed that goal might be achieved by the mid-21st century.[22]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Rummel

Not sure what you even think you're proving, at this point. That communism deliberately killed less people than capitalism accidentally killed? How is that a "win" for you?

Wait Endus. Are you literally defending Communism now? That's hilarious.

1> Stalinism, not communism. "Communism" refers to a wide range of political viewpoints, and this stuff doesn't apply to a lot of them.
2> Not "defending" it; you can see an earlier post where I very clearly described Stalin and his regime as "monstrous". But making up bullshit serves nobody; we don't need to pad the books to make Stalin look even worse, he looks plenty horrible if we just stick to the actual facts.

What happened with the peasants of Ukraine when they tried to resist the collectivization of Soviet agriculture? Did they not get put down by force , and have all their grains confiscated? As was in check with the ideology?

Was not contesting that at all. It's included in the numbers I was using, and I condemned the stuff in Ukraine (not specifically, but along with all the other horrors committed by Stalin) already.

How much older is capitalism compared to communism?

Not very, really. And feel free to check back into the sources; if you do a reasonable comparison of fatality rates in all communist nations since 1979, and democratic capitalist nations in that same time frame, India alone beats the death toll just looking at 1947-1979.

Which isn't me blaming democratic capitalism; it was largely incompetence and poverty and so forth. Nor is it me suggesting that Stalin's purges were A-okay; they were horrible atrocities.

I'm arguing we should stick to the facts, and not cite biased propaganda pieces like the Black Book of Communism which exaggerate those facts and don't apply their methodologies to both sides.

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1> Stalinism, not communism. "Communism" refers to a wide range of political viewpoints, and this stuff doesn't apply to a lot of them.
2> Not "defending" it; you can see an earlier post where I very clearly described Stalin and his regime as "monstrous". But making up bullshit serves nobody; we don't need to pad the books to make Stalin look even worse, he looks plenty horrible if we just stick to the actual facts.

You know Stalinism is a red herring right? Every Communist Regime ended up being Monstrous, purposely greedy and overly Tyrannical. Are all of them Stalinist? Or is this another "That's not real communism" excuse?

[Endus]

No, What Endus is doing is writing big long fancy replies when all he's doing is defending Communism and the way it killed Billions of people due to it's Marxist roots allowing for utterly horrific actions of violence and oppression in the name of "Revolution"

Billions? Citation fucking needed.

Ive already proved him wrong on his assertion that the figures of communist death toll were inflated because of counting famine
only time famine was counted if it was proven to be deliberate

Posting the same link over and over doesn't "prove" anything.

If you really want to continue the (relatively stupid) "whose death toll is higher" game, here's some attempts to quantify Capitalism's death toll, by comparison.

Just recall; you're citing Scott Manning at ~150 million for communism.

http://guerrillaontologies.com/2014/...ms-death-toll/
Puts capitalism's at 205,000,000

http://www.spectrezine.org/global/chomsky.htm
Hits well over 100,000,000 just looking at India since 1947, adding the rest of the world would easily surpass Manning's total for communism.

And so forth.

I'm arguing that body-count-competitions are a stupid game to play in the first place, and that it's outrageously dishonest to play that game without looking at both sides. You're acting as if that 150 million that Manning cites is "awful", and that the values for "Capitalism" would be "zero", and that's just obviously false.

[Reverb256]

Their MO of setting fires, verbally attacking anyone who doesn't agree with their narrow ideology, looting business and attacking bystanders who are filming, throwing huge rocks into crowds and assaulting people with flag poles is all anyone needs to know about Antifa. Disgusting.

These are all things I've seen on YouTube footage from people who have gone to these clashes and filmed. So, yes I acknowledge this as fact. I have been following this topic for almost a year.

Tim Pool, Fleccas Talks, Lauren Southern, Luke Rudkowski (and many others) have footage on their YouTube channels of Antifa violence. There's also the big one #BikeLockProfessor attack (the one that riled up 4chan) that you can check out just by looking through posts with that hashtag.

Anyone who is just finding out about this 'alt-left' violence just now because of Trump has a lot of catching up to do.

The black flag covering the red flag symbolizes VIOLENT anarchy followed by communist revolution. Look it up if you think I'm wrong. These Antifa people know exactly what it means.

thelibertarianrepublic.com/yes-can-reject-antifa-commies-alt-right-nazis-time/

[Berndorf]

Fascism requires the exaltation of nation and/or race. You can't just use words without knowing their meaning.

The only people exalting nation and race are Trump supporters.

While nationalism is meant to be a part of it the main things people attribute to fascists are a natural tendency to use violence to achieve their goals and lack of respect for individual rights if someone disagrees with them. So complaining how antifa lacks a nationalist/racial element and can't be called fascist while possibly having an element of truth to it doesn't actually exonerate them on the main things most people attribute to what being a fascist really entails: People who achieve political goals through violence and intimidation.

[Reverb256]

They're trying to bait the right. Keep a cool head, Trump will handle it; look at how he has helped us put the spotlight on Antifa violence with the 'alt-left' statement. Now their movement is on a timer because of public scrutiny.

I encourage everyone to post any Antifa-related information they can find on social media.

[Vyxn]

Not sure what you even think you're proving, at this point. That communism deliberately killed less people than capitalism accidentally killed? How is that a "win" for you?
.

so now you went from democratic capitalism to just capitalism nice switch


Famine, economic growth, and happiness[edit]
Rummel included famine in democide if he deemed it the result of a deliberate policy, as he and most academics have concluded about the Holodomor. He has said that there have been no famines in democracies, deliberate or not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Rummel

but ok we will go with capitalism

The history of capitalism has diverse and much debated roots, but fully-fledged capitalism is generally thought to have emerged in north-west Europe (usually specifically England) in the sixteenth to seventeenth centuries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_capitalism

sixteenth to seventeenth centuries that is how old capitalism is so please list all the famines that happened after the 16th century in capitalist countries that was blamed on economics and not by mother nature then give the death toll

I'm arguing we should stick to the facts, and not cite biased propaganda pieces like the Black Book of Communism which exaggerate those facts and don't apply their methodologies to both sides.

once again not using the communist black book using the research done by R.J. Rummel
and the figure is over 140 million so stop using that straw man

[Elegiac]

He has said that there have been no famines in democracies, deliberate or not.

Lol, what?

Guys this just in, the Bengal famine didn't happen.

[Moshots]

I've said it before but, I fucking wish some antifa fucktard tried to attack me

I'd like that too especially in a stand your ground state.

[Deleted]

Lol, what?

Guys this just in, the Bengal famine didn't happen.

British India was not a Democracy you hilarious clown. Hahahahahaha.

[Elegiac]

I'd like that too especially in a stand your ground state.

What, so you can burst into tears when legitimately confronted like 90% of those 'superior race' men in Charlottesville?

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The British Raj was not a Democracy you hilarious clown. Hahahahahaha.

Was Britain not a democracy at the time? Guess it doesn't count when it's brown natives in the colonies dying.