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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Someone who spits on people one minute shouldn't expect their unwavering solidarity the next.
    When you gonna answer my question Theo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Someone who spits on people one minute shouldn't expect their unwavering solidarity the next.
    So even though they're advocating something that would benefit you and everybody else (except ISPs), you'd rather us all be screwed over because you don't like something totally unrelated they did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Well it is their right; nobody seriously contests that. But as some of the advocates for their rights have said, actions do have consequences.

    Their behavior can hamper their ability to gather support for Net Neutrality.
    Yeaaah. I don't like Company X, therefore I'll support legislation that will likely cause me to pay premium charges to access Company X, as well as many other websites depending on my ISP's whim, and may well end up putting more money in Company X's pocket from kickbacks. This is a rational train of thought concocted by a person on the internet that possesses full understanding of what Net Neutrality actually does and how its removal will change things.

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    The point you're making in the OP is somewhat less straightforward than that. The reverse is equally true - the rise of many groups like the alt-right, and the return to the mainstream of the neo nazi, are equally creditable to the internet. They have reddits. They have message boards and facebook groups.

    The truth is there is a boatload of people on youtube, and the internet in general who get to easily spread messages one or another group of people find objectionable. That's sort of the point of net neutrality. Don't mistake what we currently have for the total control of the entire internet that the removal of net neutrality would provide to certain corporations. The fact that websites like stormfront, and reddits like the real donald or w/e can even exist is testament to this.

    I understand that youtube and facebook and some service providers are taking certain opinions down or demonetizing them. But, demonetizing something on youtube doesn't get rid of it if you care to get a message out anyway. A single individual service provider having control over their private demense is vastly different than a handful of service providers having absolute mastery over the hundreds or thousands of other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Someone who spits on people one minute shouldn't expect their unwavering solidarity the next.
    This is as dumb as any of your other arguments, so yeah, just go with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaserSharkDFB View Post
    Yeaaah. I don't like Company X, therefore I'll support legislation that will likely cause me to pay premium charges to access Company X, as well as many other websites depending on my ISP's whim, and may well end up putting more money in Company X's pocket from kickbacks. This is a rational train of thought concocted by a person on the internet that possesses full understanding of what Net Neutrality actually does and how its removal will change things.
    Will future generations teach the works of Theodarzna as a cautionary tale about inflating one’s sense of intellectual vigor, or as straight up satire?
    Help control the population. Have your blood elf spayed or neutered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Someone who spits on people one minute shouldn't expect their unwavering solidarity the next.
    Apparently non democrats need safe spaces. Hurts in the fee fees does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nellise View Post
    So even though they're advocating something that would benefit you and everybody else (except ISPs), you'd rather us all be screwed over because you don't like something totally unrelated they did?
    Google was mean to me!!!! They hurt my feelings!!! Wahhhh
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Apparently non democrats need safe spaces. Hurts in the fee fees does it?

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    Google was mean to me!!!! They hurt my feelings!!! Wahhhh
    I love how they scream from the rooftops that Democrats are softy poopy heads who can't take any criticism without curling up in their safe space.

    Then once they receive harsh criticism, they start crying about it. They're special snowflakes, through and through. They want their own safe spaces free from the consequences of their speech, but they want to be able to inflict their speech on anyone else they please without consequence.

    For a party that constantly advocates personal responsibility, they sure are quick to shirk responsibility for their actions, wouldn't you say?
    2014 Gamergate: "If you want games without hyper sexualized female characters and representation, then learn to code!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butter Emails View Post
    I love how they scream from the rooftops that Democrats are softy poopy heads who can't take any criticism without curling up in their safe space.

    Then once they receive harsh criticism, they start crying about it. They're special snowflakes, through and through. They want their own safe spaces free from the consequences of their speech, but they want to be able to inflict their speech on anyone else they please without consequence.

    For a party that constantly advocates personal responsibility, they sure are quick to shirk responsibility for their actions, wouldn't you say?
    Always and in fact they are more than ready willing and able to dump responsibility on others. Hey it's googles fault we won't support something in our own interest!

    Which by the by isn't an actual argument why non net neutrality is preferable. It's not an argument about the merics of net neutrality or against it. It's not even a good argument about why someone should be upset at google. The argument presented here is the equivalent of right wing assholes who knew trump was awful but voted for him anyway cuz "librul tears". It's colossally fucking stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    So far the only reason to end net neutrality is to make a handful of companies better able to fuck over customers.

    I don't think I've read anything else that wasn't bullshit.

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    To anyone who knows what Net-Neutrality actually is, asking that is about like asking should non-doctors really care about hygiene...

    Everyone who knows what Net-Neutrality is SHOULD support it unless they are an ISP or another with enough financial muscle to abuse not having it to shut down speech they dislike which is stuff that no average citizen should ever want.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
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    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Apparently non democrats need safe spaces. Hurts in the fee fees does it?
    Alliances do require some degree of tact and diplomacy. I know this might be difficult if you fall on the sperg spectrum, but it is true. Same for getting laid too.
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    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Silicon Valley really wins regardless of whether or not Net Neutrality is a thing so I'm not sure why they'd get factored into the debate. Sure they support it, but they can more than afford any speed throttling from ISPs...their competition on the other hand, not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xChurch View Post
    Silicon Valley really wins regardless of whether or not Net Neutrality is a thing so I'm not sure why they'd get factored into the debate. Sure they support it, but they can more than afford any speed throttling from ISPs...their competition on the other hand, not so much.
    Exactly. Removing NN would ultimately be better for Google, but saying so would massively hurt their PR. Better to make a show of supporting NN and if it gets taken away, they can cry themselves to sleep on their big piles of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    To anyone who knows what Net-Neutrality actually is, asking that is about like asking should non-doctors really care about hygiene...

    Everyone who knows what Net-Neutrality is SHOULD support it unless they are an ISP or another with enough financial muscle to abuse not having it to shut down speech they dislike which is stuff that no average citizen should ever want.
    Theo only seems to be against it because his/her boogeyman is for NN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Someone who spits on people one minute shouldn't expect their unwavering solidarity the next.
    Lmao, this is sig-worthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xChurch View Post
    Silicon Valley really wins regardless of whether or not Net Neutrality is a thing so I'm not sure why they'd get factored into the debate. Sure they support it, but they can more than afford any speed throttling from ISPs...their competition on the other hand, not so much.
    Then they get the internet they intended either way, so why would they fight it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    I fully expect and support ISPs to take down websites that celebrate the deaths caused by terrorist attacks whether they be neo-Nazis, Islamists or some left-wing group.
    Aye, but its a slippery slope. Because the verbage GoDaddy used was that the posts that "celebrated her death" or the article that claimed it was just "road rage" could incite more violence.

    A group could say that literally about anything posted online. Me simply being an asshole could incite violence, maybe not against innocent bystanders, but against me personally should a user be unable to control themselves.

    The point that anyone here is contesting is that if you consider yourself American, and value what the country stands for, then private or not, you would be doing your part to avoid and oppose censorship. Today its those large private internet corporations censoring based on values that do not align with their own. Tomorrow its those same "private" companies lobbying Washington to change policy for government mandated censorship. If you can't see the potential dangers there... well then quite frankly ya'll deserve to have rights stripped away. Today you're on the right side of the fence... tomorrow "Hey whatever happened to the First Amend..." "Sir, you have the right to remain silent, anything you have said, will say, could have said, and might of said, will be held against you in a court of law."

    I'm not at all in support of anything vile or despicable. But google has already taken steps to remove certain porn results from the first page of its searches. There are many who would view porn as vile and despicable. Where does it end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzjhath View Post
    And, due to that size of Alphabet you're talking about here. If Net Neutrality wasn't a thing it's they and Microsoft who'd cut deals with all ISP's to make sure that it was only their services that could be used without paying a premium. Would demand a hefty investment, but they'd end up with more traffic if all the smaller rivals they have went away from the search engine market and in Google's case Alphabet could up the advertising cost as more people would be using it.

    So you (as usual for you but that's a different topic) have it ass backwards. The ideas positioned in OP and that you've seemed to have been agreeing with would have the opposite effect if the road to achieve them is "remove Net Neutrality". To to that you need regulation about what service companies the size of Alphabet (Google and YouTube mostly in this case) and Facebook are allowed to police and about company policy etc etc.
    I have yet to take a position on this topic, in this thread. So, that is a lie to say I did. My point, that was clear to the others, is that we need to be careful with these giant monopolies, in regards to what we allow or don't allow them to do.

    Also, I did not insult you, or call you names. Why not keep it civil, instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Then they get the internet they intended either way, so why would they fight it?
    Ever heard of PR?

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    Yes, because I don't much care about OP's victim complex. Access to infrastructure should never be regulated by private corporations, and in this day and age the Internet at large is infrastructure just like a highway even if it doesn't have the same legal status.

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