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    Quote Originally Posted by Vestig3 View Post
    Give us some detailed explanation as to why it sucked coz from my pov there was realy nothing wrong with this episode, ive noticed that with every episode people start to nitpick more and more.
    Maybe you're just not as discerning as some people.

    • Rushed pacing, leaving little time for character development, political maneuvering, etc.
    • Poor editing makes it difficult to gauge passage of time between scenes, making the show more and more disorienting as bigger time jumps are happening.
    • Show has become conventional, where it used to defy genre conventions. Generic monster enemies, heroic good guys, etc.
    • Stakes feel low, as nearly everyone has plot armor. Only redshirts are dying, for the most part. Used to feel like nobody was safe.
    • Convenient and predictable writing. Instead of the plot unraveling in an organic manner, it's obvious that they're "writing to the moment," which means that characters are just doing things and going places in order to setup reunions and battle scenes with little or no regard for personal or political motivation.
    • Reduced scope. Smaller cast, smaller world (because characters travel so fast), everything feels less consequential (because it plays out so quickly).
    • Underutilized sets and actors. How many days did they even need Isaac Hempstead-Wright on set, three? There are a bunch of characters who have had almost no screen time and no development. Oh, and where's Ghost?

    This show has so much potential that it's just not living up to. With such an amazing budget, and such incredible production design, it hurts that much more to see such weak scriptwriting.
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    The sister story is just contrived and irritating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Uh-huh. If you say so. There is zero indication the post is meant as a joke. Good luck with the personal insults though.
    That's called sarcasm. I saw it and laughed. It's obviously not a real set piece picture and the person posted it to jab at us like eh eh hehehe here's a set piece picture.

    Being called silly for not recognizing an elementary-level sarcastic joke of a forum post is hardly a personal insult though, however if you think that was really a personal insult, I guess I could help you out in the future in recognizing when something is a joke or not. You can PM me posts before you respond and ask me if they're a joke or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    A theory I read is her giving Sansa the dagger is Arya believing her and Sansa passing the game of faces. It's still needlessly dramatic
    I thought she literally meant she wants Sansa to kill herself, but that might be me just being a dumb dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmocd061d7bab8 View Post
    yeh but lava is just very hot water

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Uh-huh. If you say so. There is zero indication the post is meant as a joke. Good luck with the personal insults though.

    So, not a joke?
    I dunno those valerian swords look pretty dangerous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    Oh, and where's Ghost?
    This is how I end every tirade as well, and the show is producing a number of them. I think the last time I watched something that made me as angry as this episode did, was Prometheus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Yeah THIS SHIT is pissing me off.

    It's dumb, it's pathetic, it just doesn't feel real. Like a little sibling rivalry is fine, but Emergency Awesome on YouTube put it REALLY good in his video about this episode: Arya is supposed to have this like super power ability to tell when people are lying or telling the truth now... that goes out the window and she just doesn't believe her, even though Sansa is literally speaking the truth and only the truth, so help her God.

    Honestly, I feel like Arya doesn't even WANT to believe Sansa. Certainly gives off the vibe this episode she's jealous as fuuuuuuuuck of Sansa.
    The back and forth between them seems like a bit of a stretch, but they do lay things out fairly well here so that you can at least see Arya's reasoning. To her, Sansa had no problem watching the Lannisters kill one of their wolves, potentially being suspects in Branns fall, and beheading their father. To read that letter simply affirms her notion that Sansa absolutely would sell out her own family for power, as she had seen nothing of what Sansa went through.

    I'm hoping that Sansa is clever enough to figure out how Arya got that letter. I guess we'll have to see.

    The rest of that episode, aside from the banter between the Hound and Tormund, was a fucking joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    Maybe you're just not as discerning as some people.

    • Rushed pacing, leaving little time for character development, political maneuvering, etc.
    • Poor editing makes it difficult to gauge passage of time between scenes, making the show more and more disorienting as bigger time jumps are happening.
    • Show has become conventional, where it used to defy genre conventions. Generic monster enemies, heroic good guys, etc.
    • Stakes feel low, as nearly everyone has plot armor. Only redshirts are dying, for the most part. Used to feel like nobody was safe.
    • Convenient and predictable writing. Instead of the plot unraveling in an organic manner, it's obvious that they're "writing to the moment," which means that characters are just doing things and going places in order to setup reunions and battle scenes with little or no regard for personal or political motivation.
    • Reduced scope. Smaller cast, smaller world (because characters travel so fast), everything feels less consequential (because it plays out so quickly).
    • Underutilized sets and actors. How many days did they even need Isaac Hempstead-Wright on set, three? There are a bunch of characters who have had almost no screen time and no development. Oh, and where's Ghost?
    I agree to a degree, but Emergency Awesome on YouTube did make a point of how there's only so many episodes left in the series, that they really need to focus on ONLY crucial things at this point. Stuff cannot be dragged out any longer. If HBO were willing to drag the show on and let it become "one of those shows" you know, the ones where people say, "that show is still airing?" well, they don't want that.

    For this, I'll give them a pass. Though, you'd think that given this is THE MOST SUCCESSFUL TV SHOW EVER NOW, they could up the budget a little, show Ghost more, I realize the dragons and direwolves were always one of the biggest money-sinks for the show, but come on. It's dumb how we've not seen him.

    And idk about the stakes seeming low or or even the show becoming conventional. I do think there's still a lot to know about the Night King that we don't know and will only add to the mystery. It's an interesting show still.
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    yeh but lava is just very hot water

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    Quote Originally Posted by melodramocracy View Post
    The back and forth between them seems like a bit of a stretch, but they do lay things out fairly well here so that you can at least see Arya's reasoning. To her, Sansa had no problem watching the Lannisters kill one of their wolves, potentially being suspects in Branns fall, and beheading their father. To read that letter simply affirms her notion that Sansa absolutely would sell out her own family for power, as she had seen nothing of what Sansa went through.

    I'm hoping that Sansa is clever enough to figure out how Arya got that letter. I guess we'll have to see.

    The rest of that episode, aside from the banter between the Hound and Tormund, was a fucking joke.
    I can't remember, maybe I should rewatch it, but I suppose Arya wasn't watching when Ned's head was actually cut off, so she didn't see Sansa melt into the ground in a pile of tears, did she? She didn't really see just how sad Sansa was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Arya has long hated Sansa and believes she knows who her sister is as a person. Littlefingers manipulations help push her in that direction. Sansa telling Arya she has to call her Lady Stark helped reinforce the idea before that. And, you might want to check your eyes before calling others daft if you don't think that's the Dink.
    Perhaps.

    And I really have no idea why Sansa told Arya she had to call her that... like, why? Was it really just a "haha, you gotta call me this now, jk though, love you" or something more serious? Like, why should your sister have to call you Lady Stark, I mean really...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmocd061d7bab8 View Post
    yeh but lava is just very hot water

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    I still love the show and dig a lot of the moments in these past 2 seasons, but I gotta say, lots of the show is pretty predictable at this point. The original hook for this show was when they killed a -certain- prominent character early on. It told me no one was safe, and anything can happen. In just these last two episodes alone there were a few instances where people were saved just in the knick of time.

    It's starting to feel a little soft now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    I agree to a degree, but Emergency Awesome on YouTube did make a point of how there's only so many episodes left in the series, that they really need to focus on ONLY crucial things at this point.
    That's BS, IMO. The showrunners chose to pace the show like this, to do shorter seasons, and to end the series with eight seasons. HBO wanted them to do more, but D&D want to end Game of Thrones so they can make Confederate, a show they've been trying to get made since before they were plucked out of obscurity to adapt A Song of Ice and Fire. It's pretty clear to me where their priorities lie.

    I would have taken ten episodes and a smaller budget with fewer battles if it meant better writing and character development. The battle for Casterly Rock was disappointing anyway. Even with only seven episodes left, they could surely have come up with some more convincing writing. I've seen the leaked script outlines and they're shallow as can be.

    Hell, if they had adapted the books more faithfully instead of deviating so harshly in seasons 5-6, there would be plenty more material for them to work with, and a much more organic story to tell. There was a lot that they half-assed or ommited, and a lot of it ultimately led to nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Jon: "You hold a grim destiny in your hand, my Queen; but it is not your own!"

    Dany: "... Jon! My love..."

    Jon: "The death of the Night King, sealed my fate; the world of the dawn, is no longer my home, I am Ice."

    *pause as Dany approaches Jon*

    Jon: "Drive the blade into me, Dany; forever more, I shall be the Night's King."

    Dany, crying: "No, my love! I cannot!"

    Jon: "DO IT Dany! You and our children have your own destinies to follow, this last Watch: is mine."

    Dany, stammering, readying herself: "You will not be forgotten, my love!"

    Jon, firmly: "I must be forgotten, Dany! If the Dawn is to come, if you are to rule over a better world, then they must not know what happened here today."

    Screaming out in emotional turmoil, Daenerys lunges forward, imbued-Dragonglass dagger in hand, piercing Jon Snow's heart, turning Jon Snow and sealing the fate. The ground shakes and Dany stumbles, watching Jon, as he sits and opens his eyes, now glowing blue.

    Jon: "Go, my love, leave me, and never return."

    Cut to blackness.

    Open to King's Landing, in the center of the city, daylight: Daenerys has constructed a statue to Jon Snow that upon touching it, people are suddenly magically shown a first-hand retelling with all too-real actors, of what transpired, but it's all to the honor of Jon!

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    I expected everyone to die other than Jon, to be honest with you. However I had heard about Dany coming up with the dragons, so I figured maybe Jon was trying to ride away on horseback, but gets caught or something and then that's when Dany saves him?

    I'm happy with how it went, though. Kinda surprised literally ONLY Thoros died. Unless I missed someone?
    Lol yup I was having visions of how a Bolvar-type scene would go with Jon. But yeah I assumed Jorah and Beric would die, possibly the Hound.

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    When the undead began trickling in on the hero's island, it made me think of the start to the Kel Thuzad fight.
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    I'm gona get a tattoo of Jon snow and Dany's face with the targaryen sigil as a backdrop. Gona be sick, will get so much action without even trying

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro9ue View Post
    I still love the show and dig a lot of the moments in these past 2 seasons, but I gotta say, lots of the show is pretty predictable at this point. The original hook for this show was when they killed a -certain- prominent character early on. It told me no one was safe, and anything can happen. In just these last two episodes alone there were a few instances where people were saved just in the knick of time.

    It's starting to feel a little soft now.
    I'm enjoying it too but it's clearly a rushed season.

    I know for certain when the series is over, I'll look at Season 7 as a slight let down. First because of the underwhelming character reunions, second because of lack of plot development, and also because of the excessive deus ex machina.

    Most people are annoyed by the latter. Personally the former disappoints me the most. All this damn build up, and some of these characters spend a few seconds with eachother in their reunions. In particular I'm thinking Bran/Sansa, Jon/Theon, and a host of other characters But Episode 5 and 6 did a great job with the Brotherhood + Tormund, Jon & Jorah. Those convos at the beginning of Episode 6 were awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    A theory I read is her giving Sansa the dagger is Arya believing her and Sansa passing the game of faces. It's still needlessly dramatic
    I'm holding out hope that Arya is playing Littlefinger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeatherRae View Post
    I'm holding out hope that Arya is playing Littlefinger.
    If not, I'm sure she can escape any jam with some magic-wound-healing-soup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    I agree to a degree, but Emergency Awesome on YouTube did make a point of how there's only so many episodes left in the series, that they really need to focus on ONLY crucial things at this point. Stuff cannot be dragged out any longer. If HBO were willing to drag the show on and let it become "one of those shows" you know, the ones where people say, "that show is still airing?" well, they don't want that.

    For this, I'll give them a pass. Though, you'd think that given this is THE MOST SUCCESSFUL TV SHOW EVER NOW, they could up the budget a little, show Ghost more, I realize the dragons and direwolves were always one of the biggest money-sinks for the show, but come on. It's dumb how we've not seen him.

    And idk about the stakes seeming low or or even the show becoming conventional. I do think there's still a lot to know about the Night King that we don't know and will only add to the mystery. It's an interesting show still.

    Are you for real? you actually watch that sorry excuse of an youtuber? I do suppose he would know all about making crap and having to try to pass it of as actual content, its sad that people actually watch him hell I tried to block his channel but it only blocks him from commenting on my videos not from showing up on my recommend tab even though its been what? 2 +´years since I have watched anything from his shitty channel.

    Anyways sorry for going off-topic the guy triggers me beyond reason now to the actual point you want stuff that are not "crucial" to advanceing the plot lets name stuff alright lets start with watching Sam clean actual shit in the citidel, gray worn and missande having sex, the those lannister soldiers, Bron mocking Dickon for his name, the "torture" porn in the dungeon(with Cersei), missande and danny talking about guys, stupid crap like Davos giving nods that break the 4th wall by saying crap like "I thought you might still be rowing" when talking to Gendry, having Arya go to that inn were she meets hotpie again, the fact they wasted so much fucking time when danny came to dragonstone(while part of the plot is no crucial for it to take that long) hell you know what most this crap have in common? their fan service and poorly done most of it or just fucking crap that no one asked for like Sam cleaning shit I wasent even eating and wanted to throw up. So if they were "crucial" they already spent the better part of an entire episode from ONLY the stuff I can think of, of the top of my head without going back and re-watching every episode so far WASTING their time on NON crucial stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saiako View Post
    Are you for real? you actually watch that sorry excuse of an youtuber? I do suppose he would know all about making crap and having to try to pass it of as actual content, its sad that people actually watch him hell I tried to block his channel but it only blocks him from commenting on my videos not from showing up on my recommend tab even though its been what? 2 +´years since I have watched anything from his shitty channel.

    Anyways sorry for going off-topic the guy triggers me beyond reason now to the actual point you want stuff that are not "crucial" to advanceing the plot lets name stuff alright lets start with watching Sam clean actual shit in the citidel, gray worn and missande having sex, the those lannister soldiers, Bron mocking Dickon for his name, the "torture" porn in the dungeon(with Cersei), missande and danny talking about guys, stupid crap like Davos giving nods that break the 4th wall by saying crap like "I thought you might still be rowing" when talking to Gendry, having Arya go to that inn were she meets hotpie again, the fact they wasted so much fucking time when danny came to dragonstone(while part of the plot is no crucial for it to take that long) hell you know what most this crap have in common? their fan service and poorly done most of it or just fucking crap that no one asked for like Sam cleaning shit I wasent even eating and wanted to throw up. So if they were "crucial" they already spent the better part of an entire episode from ONLY the stuff I can think of, of the top of my head without going back and re-watching every episode so far WASTING their time on NON crucial stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saiako View Post
    Are you for real? you actually watch that sorry excuse of an youtuber? I do suppose he would know all about making crap and having to try to pass it of as actual content, its sad that people actually watch him hell I tried to block his channel but it only blocks him from commenting on my videos not from showing up on my recommend tab even though its been what? 2 +´years since I have watched anything from his shitty channel.
    Do yourself a favor and clear your watch history in the youtube settings. Personally, I think this is an incredibly healthy thing to do, and you would be amazedballs how much great content you will find afterwards that is relevant to your interests.

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    christ. I hate this episode for multiple reasons.

    1: Gendry is faster than the flash. And so is the fucking raven apparently. God damn. Those fucking writers have no idea how big the continent is nor do they have any concept of time.

    2: Really? Only Thoros, a bunch of red shirts, and Viseryion died? Seven save us. That is beyond stupid. Should have killed off a few more, like mormont and gendry.

    3: Sansa v Arya. This is a pretty garbage storyline plot, to the point of absurdity. With how the writing has been in the show, with arya's super healing, walking bravos like she owns the place, and now this, I am not holding out hope that she is playing littlefinger. Lord of light knows that the writers are shit and that Bran is going to tell the sisters whats up, and then Arya is going to slit littlefingers throat like she did walder.

    Seriously... how hard is it to make continuity make fucking sense? Want the dragons to save Jon? Fine. Just showing that Jon and them bonded during previous episodes, sorta like he did with drogon, and that they sense him in danger. At least then, the stalling on the frozen lake for a day and night makes sense when it would have at least taken a few days for even the raven to arrive... If gendry didnt beat the raven to dragonstone.

    Sansa v Arya? Never made sense. Would have dropped in favor of Littlefinger trying to play the girls, but they had learned the truth of his betrayal to Ned, and even starting the war. Hell, bran should have dropped the bombshell the moment he saw Arya, so that she could have taken his face.

    And Game of Thrones... without any prominent "heroes" or "heroines" dying? Not good. I expect blood. I expect death. I expect the uncertainty of everyone but Jon living at this point, because he now has plot armor thicker than why the army of the dead couldnt just flood the lake and scaled that rock with simply numbers, like dead in the cave of the horacrux in Half-blood prince vs Dumbledore.

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