On The Propriety Of Punching Nazis

[Deleted]

nobody following any of these ideologies is out here being violent at protests, impersonating police officers, or bringing long rifles into public places to intimidate people

I mean honestly communists? The black panthers? These are the best bogeymen you can come up with in 2017?

Antifa are literally Anarcho-Communists and they attack people at the rallies constantly. The fact that you think Neonazi's are somehow an important thing in 2017 too makes me think you're just a Communist-supporter.

[Cheze]

Antifa are literally Anarcho-Communists and they attack people at the rallies constantly. The fact that you think Neonazi's are somehow an important thing in 2017 too makes me think you're just a Communist-supporter.

citation pls

[Keosen]

The fact that you think Neonazi's are somehow an important thing in 2017

Groups which openly support the atrocities and hideous crimes against humanity committed by one of the most evil dictatorship in human history are always important, even one neo-nazi is one more that it should exist.

[Cheze]

and anyway, if somebody who is a member of 'antifa' or a communist or a panther or whatever is behaving violently, advocating ethnic cleansing etc. then I agree that they should get the same public airing out

[Lochton]

How these questions should have been answered:

Can I punch Nazis?

Are you prepared to get the shit legally beaten out of you? Understand that if you are in fact, about to assault a Nazi, you are giving him permission, legally, to beat the ever living fucking shit out of you, because you hit first. Are you going to play into that? If so, you're dumber than you look, and could probably use a severe ass whoopin'.

I am capable of the act, yes.

Are you willing to accept the consequences, either by being arrested and serving time for assault and battery, or when the person you hit beats the shit out of you, and doesn't stop until you stop moving?

May I?

The answer to that is also yes. But don't go crying when you throw the punch and then as you are trying to get away, you get stopped and lose some of your teeth and wake up in a hospital. You had it coming....

My mother told me that violence was never the answer.

If that is your first go-to, you will have a very short life span. No one will remember or mourn you, either. Think about that for a second...

What happened to letting the other guy throw the first punch?

Nazis don’t throw the first punch. Nazis throw every punch after the first, though. And you might want to make damned sure you know what a Nazi really is before you go making assumptions. When you make assumptions, you make an ass out of you, and someone named 'umption', which really has nothing to do with me.

Aren’t the Left supposed to be the tolerant ones?

It's all an illusion. The phrase 'by all means necessary' is intolerance in the name of tolerance, and those terms cancel out, and then it's just really a matter of spreading the lie that they are the tolerant ones, and stupid people believe them. When other leftists start telling them what we are doing is wrong, they make sure they don't get out of line, too, because "this is our world, and everyone bows to our wants."

Or you get smart and don't provoke political opponents with violence....

What about dialogue?

Dialogue is for reasonable people acting in good faith. Dialogue is between two acceptable positions. “Taxes need to be raised” vs. “taxes need to be lowered” is grounds for dialogue. “Taxes need to be raised” vs. “Jews should be thrown in ovens” is a false equivalency we use and an excuse to assault other people.

But isn’t this sinking to their level?

That depends. After you punch the Nazi, do you espouse the tenets of National Socialism? (Actually, the answer here is 'yes'.)

No, I mean, yes... ish.

Then you’re worse than a Nazi.

But doesn’t this just give the other side ammunition?

You're damned right it does, and they are known for curb stomping people who assault them, so, might want to rethink your position...

What about peace, love, and understanding?

Great goals, and once we get rid of Antifa, Black lives matter, and BAMN, we can get to work on them. All three are completely impossible when those three ideological dipshits are about.

When should you punch a Nazi?

Whenever you get a chance. Preferably when they’re not looking. (a flagrant admission of cowardice if ever I saw one. But it is worth noting, they are coming prepared, and there are more normal people not willing to take these people's shit anymore, and it will bring about REAL NAZIS who wish you would take a poke at them so their steel toed boot can get driven right into your face. That is how history works out. Ignorance is not an excuse, nor will it stop the inevitable. It is up to you to do the right thing, or suffer the consequences.

What if they’re smaller than you?

Hit them with your fist. (again... cowardice. Why not just admit that you would hit a girl... oh, right, that's because if you do that, white knights will be the one beating your ass, not Nazis.)

What if they’re bigger?

Hit them with a bat. And don't forget to not drop the soap when you're in prison. You assholes haven't been getting away with this shit like you were.

Isn’t this a slippery slope?

After we defeated the Nazis in World War II, did we keep shooting people or did the troops come home and start having babies? (The answer to that is 'both', but I guess dumbfucks who think they can get away with unlawful violence aren't this smart).


As a side note, violence is a last resort thing. If you make it a first resort, you stand a great likelihood of being killed and forgotten, as you rightfully should be. So far, the casualties have been small. Keep it up, and you'll see what I mean. No one will continue to remain peaceful if the looming threat of inevitable violence is present, and cowards have no chance of beating brave, prepared people who are not going to take it anymore.

And learn what a Nazi really is, and stop just labeling everyone you disagree with as a Nazi. Normal people don't just go around calling black people they see niggers just because they are black, anymore, but the distinction between these two acts is not drastically any different, but it does demonstrate what a retrograde dumbass you are if you do either of these things.

What if you think you’re punching a Nazi, but you just hit a white guy with a shitty haircut?

Be prepared to get the shit beaten out of you.

What should you do if you hit a Nazi?

Hope he doesn't get back up, because if he does, your ass is grass.

But I don’t want to punch anyone.

Then you should rethink affiliating yourself with those who do.

Don't donate anything to these pieces of shit. PSA.

This actually made me chuckle.. Haha.

[Deleted]

Groups which openly support the atrocities and hideous crimes against humanity committed by one of the most evil dictatorship in human history are always important, even one neo-nazi is one more that it should exist.

Here is the issue; Every single issue we throw at the Neo-Nazis can be leveled quite equally at the Communists. Except instead of Just Hitler and his Regime, we have to point at every issue of Communist government to see how their ideology is just as Bloodthirsty, or even more Bloodthirsty than the Nazis.

If you want to be the voice of Justice, you have to be fair, you cannot pick sides when it comes to wanting to remove harmful ideologies.

[Cheze]

'communists' is a category that covers far more ideological and historical variance than nazism. There have been many communist parties, communist governments, communist organizations etc and I feel comfortable evaluating membership in each on its merits. There has only ever been one nazi government, and very few nazi parties.

[Deleted]

'communists' is a category that covers far more ideological and historical variance than nazism. There have been many communist parties, communist governments, communist organizations etc and I feel comfortable evaluating membership in each on its merits. There has only ever been one nazi government, and very few nazi parties.

And as soon as each communist party gets in power, it causes huge sweeping changes as it attempts to destroy it's opposition and then slowly purges any elements it does not like.

Because that's what communism teaches.

[Elim Garak]

Groups which openly support the atrocities and hideous crimes against humanity committed by one of the most evil dictatorship in human history are always important, even one neo-nazi is one more that it should exist.

They are only important if you make them important. Nothing boosts minority groups self-esteem as recognition especially if it's coupled with aggression. If you don't give recognition and instead treat their ideas like the stupidity of the idiots that they are (laugh at them, not punch them) they will feel like idiots, some of them will grow and wise up, the stupidest will continue the stupidity, if they go violent they will be shot by cops. There, neo-nazi problem solved by freedom of speech.

[Deleted]

They are only important if you make them important. Nothing boosts minority groups self-esteem as recognition especially if it's coupled with aggression. If you don't give recognition and instead treat their ideas like the stupidity of the idiots that they are (laugh at them, not punch them) they will feel like idiots, some of them will grow and wise up, the stupidest will continue the stupidity, if they go violent they will be shot by cops. There, neo-nazi problem solved by freedom of speech.

Exactly the point. Treating them seriously does nothing more than make them feel important.

[Crispin]

Actually, Hardline Muslims DID support the Holocaust. And I am pretty sure Black Panthers mocked the "White Man's Holocaust" before.

As I've said before, pepole like ISIS deserve the same treatment as nazis, and please provide citation on the last one, before I begin to show you how pathetic it is to compare mocked vs murdered millions.

All I see from you is "but commies!", try harder.

[Melusine]

So who are theese conor mcgregor like neonazis then?

Well, it wasn't that guy. What you did there is a false equivalency. That dude was an agitator, and he dropped the act as soon as a few (as in, 'not just one') of those assholes, one of which was carrying a stick or ball bat or something (it was quick, so I didn't get a great look at it), approaches him. You'll forgive me if I am not moved by the fact that a kid who just wanted to fuck with those idiots without realizing what he was walking into, decided not to stand there and get jumped by a pack of rabid Antifa supporters.

And again, the battle of Berkeley, the one where Moldylocks got her clock cleaned as well as a bunch more Antifa fags that thought it'd be a good idea to keep poking at the bear got fucked up at. I know you cannot possibly have not seen that, but then, I guess that was just Trump supporters and not neo Nazis, just normal conservative people.

[Crispin]

Well, it wasn't that guy. What you did there is a false equivalency. That dude was an agitator, and he dropped the act as soon as a few (as in, 'not just one') of those assholes, one of which was carrying a stick or ball bat or something (it was quick, so I didn't get a great look at it), approaches him. You'll forgive me if I am not moved by the fact that a kid who just wanted to fuck with those idiots without realizing what he was walking into, decided not to stand there and get jumped by a pack of rabid Antifa supporters.

And again, the battle of Berkeley, the one where Moldylocks got her clock cleaned as well as a bunch more Antifa fags that thought it'd be a good idea to keep poking at the bear got fucked up at. I know you cannot possibly have not seen that, but then, I guess that was just Trump supporters and not neo Nazis, just normal conservative people.

so you counter my "false equivalency", with men beating a girl to prove how powerful they are? sorry to dissapoint you, but beeing a nazi doesnt automaticly turn you into a fighter, merely a racist fuck.

[Keosen]

Here is the issue; Every single issue we throw at the Neo-Nazis can be leveled quite equally at the Communists. Except instead of Just Hitler and his Regime, we have to point at every issue of Communist government to see how their ideology is just as Bloodthirsty, or even more Bloodthirsty than the Nazis.

If you want to be the voice of Justice, you have to be fair, you cannot pick sides when it comes to wanting to remove harmful ideologies.

Don't try to compare communism with nazism, if you do i will automatically assume that you are deeply ignorant.
There are tons of things communism includes that we should already have it by default, there is not a single one in any kind of fascist regime.

Communism looks evil because it directly opposes capitalism which is the de-facto socio-economic system of most countries and Amurica of course.
It's very easy to promote propaganda when you have all the means of mass brainwashing.

If a communists nation succeeds then there is no point to sustain capitalism, why would you think people with power and money will allow this?
Even socialism is heavily disputed by capitalists, we reached a point where is 2017 and in a first world country like Amurica with tons of money and means of production, it's debatable if you should have public free health care or if you should sustain yourself on minimum wage.

This is the downfall of human kind.

[Deleted]

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and smells like a duck then it is likely a duck

[McTroll]

"No bad methods, just bad people", right?

C'mon, label me a nazi now! Go ahead. Do it. Wouldn't be the first time.

You don't realize you're the exact same...

[Heladys]

How these questions should have been answered:

Can I punch Nazis?

Are you prepared to get the shit legally beaten out of you? Understand that if you are in fact, about to assault a Nazi, you are giving him permission, legally, to beat the ever living fucking shit out of you, because you hit first. Are you going to play into that? If so, you're dumber than you look, and could probably use a severe ass whoopin'.

I am capable of the act, yes.

Are you willing to accept the consequences, either by being arrested and serving time for assault and battery, or when the person you hit beats the shit out of you, and doesn't stop until you stop moving?

May I?

The answer to that is also yes. But don't go crying when you throw the punch and then as you are trying to get away, you get stopped and lose some of your teeth and wake up in a hospital. You had it coming....

My mother told me that violence was never the answer.

If that is your first go-to, you will have a very short life span. No one will remember or mourn you, either. Think about that for a second...

What happened to letting the other guy throw the first punch?

Nazis don’t throw the first punch. Nazis throw every punch after the first, though. And you might want to make damned sure you know what a Nazi really is before you go making assumptions. When you make assumptions, you make an ass out of you, and someone named 'umption', which really has nothing to do with me.

Aren’t the Left supposed to be the tolerant ones?

It's all an illusion. The phrase 'by all means necessary' is intolerance in the name of tolerance, and those terms cancel out, and then it's just really a matter of spreading the lie that they are the tolerant ones, and stupid people believe them. When other leftists start telling them what we are doing is wrong, they make sure they don't get out of line, too, because "this is our world, and everyone bows to our wants."

Or you get smart and don't provoke political opponents with violence....

What about dialogue?

Dialogue is for reasonable people acting in good faith. Dialogue is between two acceptable positions. “Taxes need to be raised” vs. “taxes need to be lowered” is grounds for dialogue. “Taxes need to be raised” vs. “Jews should be thrown in ovens” is a false equivalency we use and an excuse to assault other people.

But isn’t this sinking to their level?

That depends. After you punch the Nazi, do you espouse the tenets of National Socialism? (Actually, the answer here is 'yes'.)

No, I mean, yes... ish.

Then you’re worse than a Nazi.

But doesn’t this just give the other side ammunition?

You're damned right it does, and they are known for curb stomping people who assault them, so, might want to rethink your position...

What about peace, love, and understanding?

Great goals, and once we get rid of Antifa, Black lives matter, and BAMN, we can get to work on them. All three are completely impossible when those three ideological dipshits are about.

When should you punch a Nazi?

Whenever you get a chance. Preferably when they’re not looking. (a flagrant admission of cowardice if ever I saw one. But it is worth noting, they are coming prepared, and there are more normal people not willing to take these people's shit anymore, and it will bring about REAL NAZIS who wish you would take a poke at them so their steel toed boot can get driven right into your face. That is how history works out. Ignorance is not an excuse, nor will it stop the inevitable. It is up to you to do the right thing, or suffer the consequences.

What if they’re smaller than you?

Hit them with your fist. (again... cowardice. Why not just admit that you would hit a girl... oh, right, that's because if you do that, white knights will be the one beating your ass, not Nazis.)

What if they’re bigger?

Hit them with a bat. And don't forget to not drop the soap when you're in prison. You assholes haven't been getting away with this shit like you were.

Isn’t this a slippery slope?

After we defeated the Nazis in World War II, did we keep shooting people or did the troops come home and start having babies? (The answer to that is 'both', but I guess dumbfucks who think they can get away with unlawful violence aren't this smart).


As a side note, violence is a last resort thing. If you make it a first resort, you stand a great likelihood of being killed and forgotten, as you rightfully should be. So far, the casualties have been small. Keep it up, and you'll see what I mean. No one will continue to remain peaceful if the looming threat of inevitable violence is present, and cowards have no chance of beating brave, prepared people who are not going to take it anymore.

And learn what a Nazi really is, and stop just labeling everyone you disagree with as a Nazi. Normal people don't just go around calling black people they see niggers just because they are black, anymore, but the distinction between these two acts is not drastically any different, but it does demonstrate what a retrograde dumbass you are if you do either of these things.

What if you think you’re punching a Nazi, but you just hit a white guy with a shitty haircut?

Be prepared to get the shit beaten out of you.

What should you do if you hit a Nazi?

Hope he doesn't get back up, because if he does, your ass is grass.

But I don’t want to punch anyone.

Then you should rethink affiliating yourself with those who do.

Don't donate anything to these pieces of shit. PSA.

You sure admire those nazis, don't you? You attribute to them superhuman powers of retaliation that history simply doesn't support. Nazis strike first, and get obliterated. That's how it works.

[McTroll]

It's a little scary, just because they seem to believe that since they're "the good guys" that those methods are perfectly ok.

Physically assault people? Lobby to outlaw offensive speech? It's ok because we're "the good guys" so we're right!

That right there would make you a nazi, in their view.

[McTroll]

And that's fairly ironic, given all the surrounding circumstances.

The relevance of those is relative to whether or not it falls in line with the hivemind.

[Flatspriest]

On The Propriety Of Punching Nazis, An FAQ



Is this what the "right side of history" looks like?

Can we punch commies too? Anti-fa was formed originally as a communist organization after all.