"Alt Right" activist asks for Lenin Statue to be removed

[Deleted]

You don't even know the difference between socialism and communism?

To quote the White Supremacist-in-chief: "Sad."

That's socialism.
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

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Yeah, which means he thought Social Democracy was less extreme than fascism.

No it mean's he thought both were selling out on the whole tearing down the old system and implementing a new one.

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This is bullshit! Ukrain was not an independent country. Holomodor happened because of Russia's regulation on crops.

No it happened because the soviet's (AKA the Russians) starved them.
And they starved them, because they were Ukrainians, that was the very point -

How about each other? See my avatar for evidence...

No see their problem was that they were taking their 'voters' and collaborating with the status quo.
They were opposed to the glorious violent revolution.

[Nehezbegar]

I have a feeling ppl here don't really know how many lifes communism took, even more than Nazis and still i see ppl protecting statues of communist criminal. This ideology should be criminalized like nazis.

[Deleted]

You should read my Sig:

Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism....
Joseph Stalin.

and who care about Stalin... Everything that was not Stalinism-communism was a political enemy in his eyes.....

[Chrysia]

I have a feeling ppl here don't really know how many lifes communism took, even more than Nazis and still i see ppl protecting statues of communist criminal. This ideology should be criminalized like nazis.

In raw numbers there were more deaths under Communism. As a percentage of controlled population, Nazis killed a greater percentage of innocents within their occupied territories.

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They won the opportunity to implement general suffrage but decided not to, and they did have representation before.

No, they did not. The colonies did not have official representation in Parliament.

[Noradin]

No, they did not. The colonies did not have official representation in Parliament.

They did have representation and they did have a say in the posts these taxes they opposed were spent on paying for.

And you dogded addressing the part about having the opportunity to implement general suffrage and deciding not to take it, or is this you conceding that point?

[Nehezbegar]

Lifes taken by communism in my country is below 100; and that is almost exclusively to Nazi's they killed when they were in the resistance.

I take it you are from the US? Because they falsified a lot of stuff in their anti-communism propaganda.

Nope i am from Poland. I know very well how scummed the commusim and socialism is.

[Felya]

We didn't have Stalin here, sucks to be you.

Yeah, they got handed off to Russia, by a none intervention treaty with Germany and Russia. Then kept by Russia as a part of the Iron Curtain to keep away western aggression. Now, with part of Ukraine gone go Russia already. How long before capitalist Russia will do to Poland what communist Russia did? We'll see how pleased Poland is at Russia's expansion, regardless of economic policy.

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Nope i am from Poland. I know very well how scummed the commusim and socialism is.

How did it feel to be scapegoated for Brexit? You are blamed for fucking up England's capitalism. They left the EU, because of a caricature of you.

Maybe it's not economic policy, but closer to foreign and authoritarian governments you need need to watch out for? Maybe it wasn't the economic policy of Russia, but the paranoia of Stalin? Perhaps?

[Felya]

By the way, Stalin was not a man defined by ideology. The thing that defined Stalin, is his extreme insecurity. He reshaped Russia in his image, getting rid of everyone who wasn't agreeing with him. From scientist to entertainment figures, all were struck down by Trump's insecurity. He preached nationalism, was extremely anti-Semitic (there were no black or brown folks... although) and let it overwhelm any ideology.

Communism left Russia, when Trotsky was ousted. After that, you got Salinism, which combined nationalist socialism, with extreme authoritarianism.

[Keeponrage]

Communism left Russia, when Trotsky was ousted. After that, you got Salinism, which combined nationalist socialism, with extreme authoritarianism.

Yet Trotsky was far much more radical and hot-tempered than Stalin, judging by their activity during Revolution and Civil War. One only can imagine what repressions would have occurred if Trotsky came to full power instead of Stalin.

[Nehezbegar]

Yeah, they got handed off to Russia, by a none intervention treaty with Germany and Russia. Then kept by Russia as a part of the Iron Curtain to keep away western aggression. Now, with part of Ukraine gone go Russia already. How long before capitalist Russia will do to Poland what communist Russia did? We'll see how pleased Poland is at Russia's expansion, regardless of economic policy.

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How did it feel to be scapegoated for Brexit? You are blamed for fucking up England's capitalism. They left the EU, because of a caricature of you.

Maybe it's not economic policy, but closer to foreign and authoritarian governments you need need to watch out for? Maybe it wasn't the economic policy of Russia, but the paranoia of Stalin? Perhaps?

I dont give a fuck, because i dont live in UK. And You don't really impress me with ad personam arguments.

[Deleted]

That's not what authoritarian means.

favouring or enforcing strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.
No dissenting power structure and no private property - Pretty sure that necessarily entails authoritarianism.

[Chrysia]

They did have representation and they did have a say in the posts these taxes they opposed were spent on paying for.

And you dogded addressing the part about having the opportunity to implement general suffrage and deciding not to take it, or is this you conceding that point?

They did not have representation in Parliament. You are 100% factually wrong about this point.

I'm pretty sure I never claimed they were correct about their suffrage stance, so this is a red herring.

[Noradin]

They did not have representation in Parliament. You are 100% factually wrong about this point.

I'm pretty sure I never claimed they were correct about their suffrage stance, so this is a red herring.

I said representation, not representation in Parliament.

I posed a question, so that cannot be red herring.

[Chrysia]

I said representation, not representation in Parliament.

I posed a question, so that cannot be red herring.

Their issue was not having representation in Parliament. That was their issue: their lands could be taxed by a legislative body they had no voice in.

It is a red herring, because I never claimed otherwise. I've stated, repeatedly, that they built a better system than they had under the English, but obviously fell short by modern standards.

[Livnthedream]

[Noradin]

Their issue was not having representation in Parliament. That was their issue: their lands could be taxed by a legislative body they had no voice in.

It is a red herring, because I never claimed otherwise. I've stated, repeatedly, that they built a better system than they had under the English, but obviously fell short by modern standards.

They didn't build a better system than they had under the English*, they alowed slavery and their claim they wanted "no taxtation without representation" turned out to be a sham. They gave represnentation to the rich. And that's it.

The taxes the English collected in the colonies were spent on the colonies and those post they got a say in.

Mostly they wanted not to pay for costs they themselves had caused.
That and they wanted the opportunity to smuggle.


*in regards of taxtation and equality of suffrage.

[Chrysia]

They didn't build a better system than they had under the English*, they alowed slavery and their claim they wanted "no taxtation without representation" turned out to be a sham. They gave represnentation to the rich. And that's it.

The taxes the English collected in the colonies were spent on the colonies and those post they got a say in.

Mostly they wanted not to pay for costs they themselves had caused.
That and they wanted the opportunity to smuggle.


*in regards of taxtation and equality of suffrage.

No. They did build a better system. No land owner in America could be taxed without a representative.

No, they weren't. Many of the taxes collected from the colonies were spent on the war in France.

This is straight up revisionism.

[33kamous3]

I dunno if anyone's linked them here yet, but Alex Jones took the opportunity to do some pretty hilarious/pathetic man-on-the-street interviews confronting random citizens over this "issue" in Seattle or wherever this was.

[Noradin]

No. They did build a better system. No land owner in America could be taxed without a representative.

No, they weren't. Many of the taxes collected from the colonies were spent on the war in France.

This is straight up revisionism.

Yes, they gave representation to the rich. Just as I said.
They made representation less equal among themselves.

And many taxes collected in England were spent on the colonies.
The tax they objected to was spent on officials in the colonies whose appointment the colonies got a say in.
They got those for free before but then the English had to fight a war which was partially on behalf of the colonies and thus they couldn't get as many freebies anymore.

[jdbond592]

1) Who will care?

2) What did Lenin do again? I recall him actually freeing his people..He could have done better but still...And this affects US how?

Perhaps there is reason America has no statue of Stalin or Osama Bin Laden..



"The statue was toppled in 1989 after the Velvet Revolution toppled communism in Czechoslovakia"

Ofcourse this was conveniently ignored too. Fascinating.