I laugh when people complain that the social aspect of the game is gone.

[Wvvtayy]

Just because you're not FORCED to socialize anymore doesn't mean you can't. I make new friends all the time by simply making a choice to be social and talk to people. Because I like making friends and socializing.

The difference is, back in vanilla and TBC, you had to socialize if you wanted to do anything at max level. Queueing systems and the group finder didn't destroy the social aspect of the game, they just made it so that you don't have to anymore if you don't want to, and that's fine if that's your prerogative.

But I will never understand the whiners that cry about the social aspect of the game being dead. What the hell is stopping you from being friendly and talking to people? The answer is nothing but yourself. The problem isn't the game. It's YOU. The game is exactly as social as you make it.

[MisterBigglez]

I can tell you now that those that complain about it being a dead game or that the MMO in MMORPG is long gone are probably those who don't raid outside of LFR or only use the dungeon finder. They choose to not bother finding a guild to raid with and therefore ignore the fact that you still need to socialise and organise stuff with other players if you wanna get stuff done.

[Underverse]

Humans take the path of least resistance. If you don't have to do something in order to get a reward, you generally won't do it.

[endersblade]

Exactly. I found that if I actually WANTED to talk to people, to make friends, or generally have fun in groups, I could do it easily. Just because nobody talks in groups doesn't mean nobody is interested. When I played, if I ran dungeons on my tanks, especially if I knew I could faceroll the place, I would do the zaniest shit trying to get people in a good mood. Back when I had level 80 twinks I'd Fury spec tank MoP dungeons, and I'd run around going "Get it off me, get it off me!" jumping all over the place, people would laugh themselves stupid. But I could solo that place easy, I never died, and we had a lot of fun. Almost always it would work, and I'd end up with an almost full group of people to repeatedly run dungeons with for a few hours. Some would even send friend requests, and a small few I have been facebook friends with for several years now.

And that's the problem, nobody wants to take the initiative. They want other people to do it. And when nobody does, they come here and QQ that the social aspect is gone. Lazy fuckers. They're the sort of people I wouldn't want to be friends with in the first place.

[Halicia]

What the hell is stopping you from being friendly and talking to people?

The $$ it takes for them, or me, to transfer to the other's server to be in a guild together.

[endersblade]

I can tell you now that those that complain about it being a dead game or that the MMO in MMORPG is long gone are probably those who don't raid outside of LFR or only use the dungeon finder.

I don't get the correlation you're making. Dungeons is ALL I ran, and I had a blast.

[Wvvtayy]

The $$ it takes for them, or me, to transfer to the other's server to be in a guild together.

Then make new friends. Go out and talk to people. It's not hard.

[grondik]

Thing is, ancient people only socialized because in groups they are more secure and productive than alone. There was A REASON to socialize.
WoW has less REASONS for people to socialize than before. I hope you wont argue with that.

I aquire NO satisfaction in socializing just for the fact of it.

I AM satisfied when I socialize to actually achieve something.

I DO NOT want to make friends with any random player that has good dps in the pug.

I DO want to get into group to actually solve strategic problems of the fights.


People think different. I laugh at your thought that if you have what it takes, others should too.

[Wvvtayy]

Thing is, ancient people only socialized because in groups they are more secure and productive than alone. There was A REASON to socialize.
WoW has less REASONS for people to socialize than before. I hope you wont argue with that.

I aquire NO satisfaction in socializing just for the fact of it.

I AM satisfied when I socialize to actually achieve something.

I DO NOT want to make friends with any random player that has good dps in the pug.

I DO want to get into group to actually solve strategic problems of the fights.


People think different. I laugh at your thought that if you have what it takes, others should too.

So what you're saying is you don't want to make friends and socialize unless you absolutely have to, and because you don't absolutely have to, you won't. And that upsets you.

I will never understand the mindset of people like you.

[MisterBigglez]

I don't get the correlation you're making. Dungeons is ALL I ran, and I had a blast.

You don't fall into that category, because you enjoyed it and didn't complain. I'm talking about those who do complain.

[Kaleredar]

[2. Trade] LFM for heroic CoS, doing drake run and zombie achieve, PST...

[15 minutes in] LFM for heroic CoS, doing drake run and zombie achieve, PST, need a DPS a tank and healer and GTG

[22 minutes in] LFM for heroic CoS, doing drake run and zombie achieve, PST, need a tank and healer and GTG

[35 minutes in] LFM for heroic CoS, doing drake run and zombie achieve, PST, need a tank and GTG

Healer: I know we're full on DPS but can I bring my DPS friend along? Otherwise I'm not going

[47 minutes in] LFM for heroic CoS, doing drake run and zombie achieve, PST, need a healer and GTG

[55 minutes in] Alright guys we've got everything we need, let's head out


[Immediately]
DPS 2: Can I get summon
Tank: Can I get summon
Healer: Can I get summon

[DPS 2 and healer finally shamble their way to caverns of time, summons go out, DPS 2, Tank and Healer finally zone in]
DPS 3: Lol I'm in Winterspring and hearthstones on CD, can you re-summon?

Tank: Hey guys I want the drake but I already have the zombie achievement, so we're not going to do it

DPS 3: shit actually I think I'm saved to H CoS...

[healer leaves]

[72 minutes in] LFM for CoS, doing drake run and zombie achieve, PST...




SOCIAL ASPECT

[Wvvtayy]

Humans take the path of least resistance. If you don't have to do something in order to get a reward, you generally won't do it.

But in this case, people are willfully taking the path of least resistance, and then bitching that the path they chose to take didn't provide enough resistance, even though they, through their own free will, took said path.

[Naytham]

forced socializing means the game is good. when there's no need the socialize in a multiplayer game there's something wrong.

end of thread

[Wvvtayy]

forced socializing means the game is good. when there's no need the socialize in a multiplayer game there's something wrong.

end of thread

Translation: I'm so socially inept I literally can't bring myself to talk to anyone unless there's something making my do it.

[Better]

But in this case, people are willfully taking the path of least resistance, and then bitching that the path they chose to take didn't provide enough resistance, even though they, through their own free will, took said path.

Because the game is just at that point.

If there was a button you could press in dalaran and get a full set of 950 gear, and every legendary for your class everybody would press it. People would disagree with Blizzard's decision to put it in the game, and complain about it constantly, but they would still press it. Because you don't want to disadvantage yourself just to have a good time in the game, and honestly you shouldn't have to.

[Eleccybubb]

forced socializing means the game is good. when there's no need the socialize in a multiplayer game there's something wrong.

end of thread

If a game has to force you as a person to be social then there is either something wrong with the game or you.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Unless it's a select group of people I approve of, I am not interested in anybody I am not, and I think the rest of WoW is the same way.

[Wvvtayy]

If a game has to force you as a person to be social then there is either something wrong with the game or you.

Right. He's literally saying he is incapable of socializing unless everyone else is forced to socialize with him. As I said, that's not the games problem - it's HIS problem.

[Ickz]

I tried joining a guild so I could raid and recapture some of the social aspects of earlier WoW. Every one of them was like applying for a job. The other option is joining one of those random/everyone is invited guilds and have no chance at doing anything meaningful content-wise. Seems like the nice, middle-ground guilds are already set and don't really go out looking for new people that their members don't already know. The community is just overall much more immature/elitist/unfriendly than it was back in the day. OP sounds like a pretentious ass judging by his replies in this thread.

[Wvvtayy]

I tried joining a guild so I could raid and recapture some of the social aspects of earlier WoW. Every one of them was like applying for a job. The other option is joining one of those random/everyone is invited guilds and have no chance at doing anything meaningful content-wise. Seems like the nice, middle-ground guilds are already set and don't really go out looking for new people that their members don't already know. The community is just overall much more immature/elitist/unfriendly than it was back in the day. OP sounds like a pretentious ass judging by his replies in this thread.

I just have a strong dislike for the rose tinted glasses crew who think everything was so much better back in the day when it wasn't. Maybe I just have a better memory than most people because I vividly remember what it was like back then and most people don't.