Illidan bullying and trashtalking Velen

[Cwimge]

Has greymane or even fuckmothering sylvanas come forward and asked if he had doubts or regrets now, at the end that would have been fine. Sure its a little conflict but this coming from the professional victim and deluded runner-up illidon't.

Now a savage blizzard would have had valen turn and ask if illidan's 80% demon followers had been of any tremendous use so far. If demon hunters are now, or where indeed -ever- necessary. After all anybody who sold out to the legion stood as much chance at knowing what he knows, and a surprise raid on a demon world is not exactly cutting edge tatics. Illidan's tormented, driven minions are as valuable to this war as a farmer who traded his pitchfork for a sword to protect his home

[Mythabay]

It's nice to see Illidan being his old self again. I'm starting to like him once more.

Still agreeing...

[Deleted]

Why won't faith work?

Are you seriously asking that? Velen run from Argus cause he knew his faith is USELESS against KJ.

[Wyrt]

How many planets were destroyed because Velen wanted to just run from the legion instead of ever trying to fight them? His first fight that i can think of is literally in Legion at the Exodar. It's honestly about time someone called him out.

What would Velen committing suicide or being captured, tortured, and turned into a Legion agent accomplish exactly?

[Raetary]

Illidan dies in 7.3 anyway so it's okay we won't have to put up with it much longer

He doesnt, he's the one warding sargeras.

[Mythabay]

I feel like everybody remembers Illidan being kewl and awesome, but has forgotten that he's also a total jerkass.

That is true, but for some people that's awesome.

P.S. That is an impressive amount of posts.

[Vampiregenesis]

It worked great on the Broken Shore.
"the light will protect ......aaaaargh"
"following the lights path" is simply cowardice.
It is saying that due to your beliefs someone else should fight for you.
The light isn't about sacrificing someone else for your own benefit.

Well the light doesnt give you a guaranteed victory but it helps assuming you also do some fighting of your own , just because the light was incapable to help Tirion it doesnt mean it was useless , dont forget the light was the reason we managed to beat the lichking and the light also protected the grave of Tirion from Darion.

The problem with illidan is that he completely disrespect Velen and cant see the charisma Velen has , Velen was a guy who took decisions for his people and he also fought when he had to , its not like he is fooling around doing nothing , he is a prophet after all , if his visions say that he shouldnt fight then he doesnt fight , Kil'jaeden said it himself that the vision of Velen is strong and he is rarely wrong , Velen knows when to commit and when to retreat and he has managed to build a city and save alot of his people and now he is in position to win , illidan on the other hand has failed miserably and he is relying on those who took him down in order to beat the legion , he should at least try to have a moderate stance and not provoke like this.

[Deleted]

Illidan dies in 7.3 anyway so it's okay we won't have to put up with it much longer

he doesnt die....

[Mythabay]

What would Velen committing suicide or being captured, tortured, and turned into a Legion agent accomplish exactly?

All he did is run, he didn't try to gain allies or anything. He just ran till he crashed.

[Cwimge]

How many planets were destroyed because Velen wanted to just run from the legion instead of ever trying to fight them? His first fight that i can think of is literally in Legion at the Exodar. It's honestly about time someone called him out.

The problem with this- and I dislike admitting it, is that Valen has been on a mission from god all this time. Countess draenei have died, worlds have burned because the Narru wanted him to be alive and ready "when the day came" Valen has run all these ages because to stand and fight is to die and he has believed his people would be somehow vital to the army of the light. He has been trying to keep his people alive because a not-quite god told him they had a destiny to eventually fill.

and now we discover that the army of the light has been around for a while, is already -on- argus and now you have to wonder. Was the grand destiny of the draenei simply to run? have they lived and died just to keep kil'jaden's attention away from argus and a good chunk of the legion wasted in the hunt?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

He is not wrong.
Velen was a coward. It took him seeing his son destroyed to make a move.

he made his move in tbc, hell he was at the sunwell when we beat up kj the first time.

[Deleted]

Are you seriously asking that? Velen run from Argus cause he knew his faith is USELESS against KJ.

yeah ofcourse. at the time the draenei had met the naaru for like 5 minutes. and the burning legion was still in its infancy. not exactly a crucial moment for the light to intervene.

Also KJ is dead before the argus invasion so that's a moot point anyways.

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It worked great on the Broken Shore.
"the light will protect ......aaaaargh"
"following the lights path" is simply cowardice.
It is saying that due to your beliefs someone else should fight for you.
The light isn't about sacrificing someone else for your own benefit.

broken shore wasn't a very crucial moment in the grand scheme of things, though ofc it's hard to judge what crucial moments are cause apparently the LK was one.

pretty sure theres a naaru fight somewhere in the new dungeon or raids, so i'm gonna be quite surprised if there isn't some light related miracle happening somewhere.

[FelPlague]

Why won't faith work? It worked for Tirion on Arthas. And the key aspect of the light is that you have to believe for it to work.

Except it didnt work for tirion on the broken shore, he told htem to stay back, have faith in the light, it would save him
that sure worked out well didnt it?

[Deleted]

Except it didnt work for tirion on the broken shore, he told htem to stay back, have faith in the light, it would save him
that sure worked out well didnt it?

wouldn't be the first time Tirion lost faith in himself and lost the ability to channel the light. and obviously a LK scale light intervention isn't actually in control of the light user itself.

[Vampiregenesis]

Except it didnt work for tirion on the broken shore, he told htem to stay back, have faith in the light, it would save him
that sure worked out well didnt it?

I dont think anything could save Tirion except the light , well the miracle didnt happen , miracles dont happen all the time otherwise they would be too op , it still doesnt mean the light is useless.

[Mormolyce]

That is true, but for some people that's awesome.

P.S. That is an impressive amount of posts.

Time well spent! Uh... probably!

[Deleted]

I dont think anything could save Tirion except the light , well the miracle didnt happen , miracles dont happen all the time otherwise they would be too op , it still doesnt mean the light is useless.

The light works in mysterious ways. Tirion had to die, so my offspec could carry a sweet, sweet sword

[Combatbutler]

Velen deserved a roast in that regard, the last one who called him out was Anduin, his blind faith is a weakness and has always been. It shouldn't have been Illidan to call him out on it though

[Zelk]

First thing Illidan has done that makes sense for him since Warcraft 3

[Moozart]

That scene made me think of this