Nazi trolls launch fake accounts to smear antifascists

[Moshots]

Yup, such pieces of shit that are fighting ISIS.

Antifa is fighting ISIS?? you sure your not mixing up the sides of the Isle??? Antifa is part of the far left who would like to allow refuge's with no background checks in droves into our country.

[MrMatticus]

The right doesn't need to smear antifa. Antifa does it all on their own.

[Flarelaine]

Hah! Since you've clearly never opened a single history book in your goddamn life, let me give you a little history lesson. Communism is responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people, and continues to add to that number every single day. The Nazis killed around 6 million Jews. Since I take it you're also shit at math, Communism has killed over 94 million more people.

I would not pontificate about history books if I were you.

Yes, the Nazis killed about 6 million Jews. But they also killed hundreds of thousands of Romas, various Slavs, Communists, partisans or just civilians in the wrong place. Also tens of thousands of homosexuals. Not to mention that the victims of the actual war also number in the millions.

At the same time, there is no scholarly consensus about the number of victims of Communism. Presently, the 100 million that you are throwing around is the high estimate. In short, you seem to be cherry-picking your numbers to trivialise Nazi atrocities.

[Aurrora]

I would not pontificate about history books if I were you.

Yes, the Nazis killed about 6 million Jews. But they also killed hundreds of thousands of Romas, various Slavs, Communists, partisans or just civilians in the wrong place. Also tens of thousands of homosexuals. Not to mention that the victims of the actual war also number in the millions.

At the same time, there is no scholarly consensus about the number of victims of Communism. Presently, the 100 million that you are throwing around is the high estimate. In short, you seem to be cherry-picking your numbers to trivialise Nazi atrocities.

And the low estimate is ~21 million dead in communist mass killings, which is still more than the Holocaust killed if you're going to justify which group is worse based on their body count.

Or maybe you can just accept that both groups are beyond awful?

[Deleted]

How to smear Antifa: rub it against the nearest flat surface

don't forget to clean up afterwards

[Deleted]

Doubt it. The far right already openly talks about burning people alive, so no need to make them look more insane.

Antifa literally say "Liberals get the bullet too"

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And the low estimate is ~21 million dead in communist mass killings, which is still more than the Holocaust killed if you're going to justify which group is worse based on their body count.

Or maybe you can just accept that both groups are beyond awful?

This. I don't quite get the point in even arguing this, Both of them are collectivist authoritarian doctrines that aim to destroy anyone who disagrees with them.

[Flarelaine]

And the low estimate is ~21 million dead in communist mass killings, which is still more than the Holocaust killed if you're going to justify which group is worse based on their body count.

Or maybe you can just accept that both groups are beyond awful?

I can accept that there needs to be nuanced discussion, not ad hominems about history books read. Also I believe we need to take the time frame into consideration; Nazis created their butcher's bill in a much shorter time and it is their ruthless efficiency that made them such iconic monsters.

And while we talk about nuance please also consider that we should be talking about Stalinism or Maoism in comparison to Nazism. Communism was defined by Marx and Engels but implemented by Lenin and Stalin, allowing the - still abhorrent! - crimes of the latter to be detached from the concept. Nazism was both defined and implemented by Hitler; this makes the crimes inherent in the concept. (I should note that I consider Stalin and Pol Pot personally bigger monsters than Hitler and I'm not sure about Mao.)

[Deleted]

while we talk about nuance please also consider that we should be talking about Stalinism or Maoism in comparison to Nazism. Communism was defined by Marx and Engels but implemented by Lenin and Stalin, allowing the - still abhorrent! - crimes of the latter to be detached from the concept. Nazism was both defined and implemented by Hitler; this makes the crimes inherent in the concept. (I should note that personally I consider Stalin and Pol Pot bigger monsters than Hitler and I'm not sure about Mao.)

You know Nazism draws from the same fucking point in Marxist ideologies right?

Nazism defines itself as the Proletariat Nation against the Bourgeois Plutocrats that undermine the nation.

They're BOTH Marxist Ideologies.

[Flarelaine]

You know Nazism draws from the same fucking point in Marxist ideologies right?

Nazism defines itself as the Proletariat Nation against the Bourgeois Plutocrats that undermine the nation.

They're BOTH Marxist Ideologies.

Nazis have claimed to be Marxist to get elected. Once in power, they allowed the economy to run as before, other than ousting Jews. There was tighter state direction of the economy during the war, but then so was there in Britain - and the means of production, the core mantra of Marx, were never nationalised.

[Deleted]

Nazis have claimed to be Marxist to get elected. Once in power, they allowed the economy to run as before, other than ousting Jews. There was tighter state direction of the economy during the war, but then so was there in Britain - and the means of production, the core mantra of Marx, were never nationalised.

They were put under Government supervision and the Government had every right to seize anything they wanted. Technically that's Socialism.

[JohnBrown1917]

Antifa is fighting ISIS?? you sure your not mixing up the sides of the Isle??? Antifa is part of the far left who would like to allow refuge's with no background checks in droves into our country.

This shows exactly how much you know.

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You know Nazism draws from the same fucking point in Marxist ideologies right?

Nazism defines itself as the Proletariat Nation against the Bourgeois Plutocrats that undermine the nation.

They're BOTH Marxist Ideologies.

Jesus holy fuck, you people are serious? The same nazism backed by the german corperate elite?

[Dangg]

If you have a problem with an anti-fascist movement (just because their tactics are extremely confrontational), then you are inherently a fascist/nazi sympathizer.

No you are wrong. There more than two options.

[JohnBrown1917]

You go to any of these "protests", and ANTIFA is there waving their Communist flag. So yes, they are essentially one in the same now. Why are you making excuse for political violence.

Not everybody anti-trump is antifa, the liberals for example.

[uxzuigal]

Both sides are in my personal opinion, equally bad in their own way, and complete idiots.

[Deleted]

This shows exactly how much you know.

Jesus holy fuck, you people are serious? The same nazism backed by the german corperate elite?

You know Marxist himself was a literal german corporate elite and was basically a freeloader on the backs of his Aristocratic friends. Just like Engal who leeched off of the British Aristocracy.

It's Ironic the Industrial Revolution that proved Marx and Engal just a pair of deluded pampered fools as the rise of the Middle Class destroyed any idea of Proletariat and Bourgeois until Communist parties started targeting the Middle Class.

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Not everybody anti-trump is antifa, the liberals for example.

Liberals don't wave around Anarcho-Communist flags, Because Liberals implies Liberty, which implies Law and Rights.

[JohnBrown1917]

Both sides are in my personal opinion, equally bad in their own way, and complete idiots.

One side wants to commit genocide, the other wants to stop them.


Yup, the same.

[Puri]

Oh no, does that by any chance mean we might be facing fake news?

[Deleted]

One side wants to commit genocide, the other wants to stop them.


Yup, the same.

One side wants to literally destroy anything they perceive as a Class above them and destroy the government because they think it supports such an establishment.

[zmp]

One side wants to commit genocide, the other wants to stop them.

Unfortunately, the right wingers cant stop left wingers from wanting to commit genocide.

[Flarelaine]

They were put under Government supervision and the Government had every right to seize anything they wanted. Technically that's Socialism.

The Great Depression has brought increased state ownership in all capitalist countries. Hitler was on record saying that once they win the war "private initiative of German business will experience its greatest moment". Hitler also believed that individuals within a nation battled with each other for survival, and that such ruthless competition was good for the health of the nation, because it promoted "superior individuals" to higher positions in society. I don't know, that sounds closer to neoliberalism than to socialism to me.

Tooze, Adam The Wages of Destruction: The Making and the Breaking of the Nazi Economy. 2006, New York: Viking.
Turner, Henry A. German Big Business and the Rise of Hitler. 1985, Oxford University Press.