Bethesda Game Of Thrones Project Potentially Leaked

[Jtbrig7390]

You can argue about the futility of the choices you make, but the important part is: is the story cool?

It was to me. That alone made the game worth playing. The story was interesting, it drew me in. Its the same as all the other Telltale games. The choices I made in their version of The Walking Dead didn't matter either. But the game was still supremely cool regardless.

In their version of Walking Dead the game gave you a illusion that your choices mattered because it is its own story. With Game of Thrones having a pre-set story that illusion isn't there because this game has no effect on the overall story nore does it matter what u do in it.

Don't get me wrong happy you enjoyed it, Its just IMO it was shit due to this.

That's why I hope if Bethesda does make a GoT RPG it takes place after the Book/TV series. I guess it could be alongside it or before it providing the story it gives is good.

My issue with Telltales GoT was like I said it removed that illusion that your choices mattered.

[Notshauna]

Let's get one thing straight: saying Skyrim is a shit game doesn't make it a shit game. You just happen to be one of the vocal minority that dislikes it. Sky rim was a mainstream phenomenon and won awards. For all intents and purposes it was factually a great game, your shitty opinion aside.

You are confusing mass marketability with quality, when in reality there is rarely a strong connection between the two.


On Topic: I don't have a lot of love for the game of thrones, I've never actually sat down and watched the show so I only have an impression of the footprint of the show, and frankly it's not flattering. The show has the reputation of being mean-spirited soft core porn, and while I know the porn aspects of the show are less common, the general sense of cruelty surrounding it hasn't weakened. I do have a different impression of the books, but I've also not read them as well (I rarely find time to read novels anymore while keeping up on so much other media). So in that regard I'm not interested.

I'm also quite critical of Bethesda games as they frequently show the consequences of an extremely segregated design team, as the main story reads like a checklist because it doesn't interact with anything else. Fallout 3 is most guilty of this, as you can completely any gameplay in the story just by heading to where you need to go right away. While I understand why you'd want to allow this freedom in an open world it's important to consider how to make the story interact with the game. Fallout New Vegas is the polar opposite, not only does the game offer you as much freedom (or more) it succeeds in connecting the main story with the events regardless of how you play and what choices you make you'll encounter the main story and be introduced to it organically.

In fact the stories of the two games are actually quite similar, the first you track someone down who impacted your life greatly, then you learn about a resource of great importance through them. The biggest difference is that in every step of the way the story of New Vegas is far better interwoven with the game world and thought out.


In short I am very much not excited for this game, but I will keep an eye on it.

[Tommy T]

If this is true....

Countless hours spent in Skyrim.
Countless hours reading ASOIAF

In a way, I can only be disappointed.
But fuck it. All aboard the hype train.

[Nnyco]

i thought people want dragons not bugs?!

[Tommy T]

derp derp boobies amagad

What's wrong with a bethesda rpg? they have two of the most popular rpg franchises , fallout and elder scrolls lol.

It's cool and 'smart' to dislike something successful and critically acclaimed. Didn't you know?

Those who do enjoy it, are painted as simpletons who follow mainstream conventions. Both notions equally as stupid as each other.

[Derah]

My issue with Telltales GoT was like I said it removed that illusion that your choices mattered.

And yet I asked you a question: Okay, the choices don't matter at all, but is the story good?

There's plenty of games out there with no illusions about choice, with a story that is completely linear, yet still a good story nonetheless (Just to name one example out of thousands: Bioshock Infinite).

I for one, have never fallen for Telltale's illusion of choice. I play their games as if they were linear, because they are. What matters to me, is not how much weigh my choices have on the story, but whether or not the story can stand on its own regardless of choice in the matter.

[Geschan]

Let's get one thing straight: saying Skyrim is a shit game doesn't make it a shit game. You just happen to be one of the vocal minority that dislikes it. Sky rim was a mainstream phenomenon and won awards. For all intents and purposes it was factually a great game, your shitty opinion aside.

Skyrim never was and never will be a game with high quality. Did people like it? Sure.
The amount of bugs, it was released with, is a disgrace. I personally had ~ 10 quests I simply couldn't finish, because of some wonky quest flags.
The leveling system is just plain stupid. If you want to make the game insanly hard without changing settings, level blacksmithing to 100 in the first village. The level of enemies scales with blacksmithing. Why would anybody implement something like that?
And while we are talking about blacksmithing. The Enchanting / Alchemy / Blacksmithing loop is completely game breaking.
Stuff like that should be found in a proper beta test. A game should never ship in a state like that.

There are so many issues with the game it's insane people love it that much. But in the end, they had not much of a choice. Skyrim was a unique game. The scope of the game was and still is massive. But the quality is quite frankly shit.

The worst thing is, Bethesda doesn't care. As long as people are willing to throw money at them, they will continue to release games in alpha state.
Look a Fallout 4. It basically was Skyrim all over again. 0 game balance, 0 sense in story telling. ("Oh no, my son was kidnapped, let's waste 100+ hours on meaningless sidequests!").

I bought Skyrim, played it and enjoyed it to some degree. When Fallout 4 released, I bought the game and hoped it wouldn't be like Skyrim. I.e. a buggy, unbalanced mess. And guess what. It was a buggy, unbalanced mess. At this point I'm pretty sure I will never buy a Bethesda game again.

[Super Kami Dende]

Would be sad if this was what was delaying another Elders Scroll.

[Jtbrig7390]

And yet I asked you a question: Okay, the choices don't matter at all, but is the story good?

IMO from what I know of it, No it really wasn't.

(Sorry its late and I missed you asking that.)

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Would be sad if this was what was delaying another Elders Scroll.

As long as ESO is around there won't be another Elder Scrolls, Just like as long as WoW is around there won't be another Warcraft. The next Elder Scroll's game is the expansion that ESO just got.

[Volendrung]

I'm a pretty big ASOIAF fan, but I'll remain skeptical based on the 2012 RPG and the (thankfully) cancelled MMO. GoT games so far have failed to impress me.


That being said, I think comparing it to ES or FO is unfair, they make plenty of other games. It's premature to compare it to anything without seeing artwork or gameplay. I'll remain cautiously optimistic.

[Blayze]

Oh goody, another unfinished, buggy mess with the story depth of a puddle riding on the coattails of already-established lore (in this case, someone else's books instead of their own in-game ones).

[Derah]

IMO from what I know of it, No it really wasn't.

I would recommend you to pick it up when its on sale (or just watch a lets-play on youtube, its not like the choices matter all that much). Its actually a lot better than most people give it credit for. IMO its not Telltale's magnus opus, but as far as their repertoire goes, they did a good enough job to make it entertaining.

[Dispraise]

That being said, I think comparing it to ES or FO is unfair, they make plenty of other games.

Not really, no. Bethesda Softworks has published plenty of other games. Bethesda Game Studios has developed nothing but Fallout or Elder Scrolls titles since 2004.

[Orby]

huh, a bethesda rpg i'll be skipping.

Game of Thrones fucking sucks. to me, it will always just be shitty porn with a fantasy story to mask the fact that it's just shitty porn.

You obviously haven't watched or read, because I am pretty sure it's softcore at best and even thats stretching it, and there isn't even hardly any erotic scenes at all, it's pretty tame to be honest. I've seen more eroticism in french indy movies

The main focus of Game of Thrones is politics, akin to the times of ancient Rome or medieval times. A lot of comparisons have been made to the Wars of the Roses in fact. I guess you are the first to compare such literature to porn and stating so very angrily in fact lol

Try and be a bit more positive and cheer up chuck!

[Super Kami Dende]

As long as ESO is around there won't be another Elder Scrolls, Just like as long as WoW is around there won't be another Warcraft. The next Elder Scroll's game is the expansion that ESO just got.

That's like saying as long as FF14 is around there won't be any more Final Fantasy games.

Oh wait.

[pateuvasiliu]

Sounds like someone hasn't watched the show, man you're missing out. The new season has had barely any nudity at all.

Am I excited about a GoT RPG? Hell yes. Am I happy Bethesda are the ones taking it on? No. Bethesda games are good but they're buggy as shit.



It all comes down to preference. I personally loved Skyrims world, far better than the Witcher 3 and Dragon Age. Haven't tried Fallout New Vegas. And I also found the characters to be memorable and enjoyable. Does that make me the minority? No. Not from what I've seen, it's the other way around actually. No one cares enough to make forum posts about it.

Based on what? What did Skyrim do better than Witcher 3 when it comes to world building?

And it's not just 'preference', some things are objectively better. Skyrim doesn't have a single character that comes close to the depth of the Bloody Baron, for instance.

[pateuvasiliu]

Except that it certainly is preference. You act as though your opinions are facts when they are indeed not. Exactly the same with characters. It's all preference and what hooks you.

It sure is, but without an argument an opinion is worthless. Art may be subjective but it's almost universally agreed that Tolkien writes better fantasy than the Twilight chick.

Name me a single character in Skyrim that comes close to the depth of the Bloody Baron, who was a mere side character.

Then I'll pull Geralt, Ciri or Yennefer on you and all of Skyrim's characters combined aren't as complex as those three.

[Lotus Victoria]

One thing that I always love in my RPG's is atmosphere, and Bethesda isn't known for creating good atmospheres.

Morrowind had an incredible atmosphere in the world. Everything looked hopeless, but you still had that "adventurer" feeling - the setting, music and locales helped doing that.

Oblivion and Skyrim has almost 0 atmosphere for me. They're beautiful, yes, but they lack the world building that Morrowind had.

People like the atmosphere of Fallout 3 and 4, but the older games did it best. F3 & F4 want to portrait a decaying world, but everything is all fun and games - Characters, Writing and Choice of Music. Not a good way to portrait the Wasteland, Bethesda.

[pateuvasiliu]

Then your point is irrelevant if you acknowledge personal preference matters. Some people might enjoy the vampire genre and dislike LOTR. Nothing wrong with that. It's not universally agreed either, you're just making stuff up to feel more secure about your argument.

Baron was boring as hell? See. It comes down to preference. Can't disagree with Yennefer though. Geralt and Ciri? Lol

Lets see. Who did I enjoy? Well there's certainly Ulfric for starters, Mercer, Karlia, Serena, Alduin, Cicero. It's a great game and the characters motives change at any second. I've honestly never played a game with so many turns in the story. All the Elder Scroll games are brilliant, I'd rank Morrowind first.There's also smaller characters that have left quite an impact on my gameplay such as Maven and Lydia(I guess she's more of a meme though)

I mean whatever I say you're going to act like your opinion is superior to mine because you somehow think your opinion is worth more than anyone that disagrees. Hence the whole "universally agreement that your opinion is wrong"




I honestly completely forgot I play with a shit ton of graphic mods. That's probably why I think Skyrim is so damn gorgeous. I never played Fallout 3 but Fallout 4 I was pretty I guess disappointed with in a way. The characters are way too fine with radiation and everything around them being dead. I agree with Morrowind though. Man I feel like replaying it now.

Yeah, if you're going to argue that Twilight stands even a chance in front of LOTR we're done here.

But it is pretty much agreed, yes. Critics are a thing, user reviews are a thing. At the end of the day, facts are just widely accepted educated opinions.

[Lotus Victoria]

The characters are way too fine with radiation and everything around them being dead.

Ghouls in Fallout 2 used to be absolutely disgusting, but in a good way. Ghouls in newer Fallouts are just...zombie people. Meh.

But that's the least of the franchise actual problems.