Why do people accept the idea of alt right but not alt left?

[unbound]

Serious question. The liberals on this site are always complaining about the alt right but refuse to accept that an alt left exists. Do they just think there are no extremists in their party or something?

Serious answer - There really isn't any large-scale alt-left movement in the US. Antifa is growing, so that would be the closest one at this point, but still doesn't have that many members.

Part of the problem is one of perception. The US has become so highly right leaning that most people don't recognize the center anymore. Bernie Sanders, while left-leaning, was actually far closer to center than any of the Republican or Democratic candidates.



Let's put it in terms of math.

An alt-left person would say: 2+2 = 1

An alt-right person would say: 2+2 = 7

The center is actually: 2+2 = 4

But people's perceptions are so messed up because we live in a "2+2 = 5" to "2+2 = 7" environment that "2+2 = 4" seems horribly left-leaning. From the vantage of the "2+2 = 6" person, all those "2+2 = 5" and "2+2 = 4" people are left of them, so a "2+2 = 3" person feels like they are alt-left, when they are only mildly left.

[Gmollster11]

They don't need to label the "alt left" because they self deny they are all leftist and clueless .

[Theinquisition]

their numbers for starters or their actions

You had alt right trolls posting menes of people who where supposedly hurt by antifa....which ended up being debunked because they took random photos of the internet.

Problem is allot of the deplorables are getting their info from a "islands" of a sort. They will check for example random YouTube videos and think that's evidence because the title of the vid says so.

When even MSNBC, a very left leaning network begins to condemn ANTIFA, I'd say it's a legit problem.

[JohnBrown1917]

When even MSNBC, a very left leaning network begins to condemn ANTIFA, I'd say it's a legit problem.

Its a liberal network, not left leaning.

[Doctor Amadeus]

How can I prove it to you? Anything I post will be claimed as fake. So, like I said, next time you are in the Philly Area look me up.

OK Show me a uniformed leadership, show me some organizations and key people responsible for actions on behalf of said Group, show me evidence of Antifa Murdering anybody or outright encouraging such on THEIR site or something that specifically identifies them or their associates.


Not some random fight between protesters, not some picture of people in black torching a store, and not some random idiot shouting some bullshit most people can't hear in a sear of others yelling whatever the fuck they do.

Come on SHOW me some tradition.

Don't give me that well they are these secret fucking NINJAS that have no centralized leadership or move in any kind of way that defines this structure you give them. That is an Opinion. Based on mostly Conjecture.

[Xandrigity]

When even MSNBC, a very left leaning network begins to condemn ANTIFA, I'd say it's a legit problem.

But antifa solving problems with violence is ok for reasons

[Doctor Amadeus]

When even MSNBC, a very left leaning network begins to condemn ANTIFA, I'd say it's a legit problem.

Well when you pull the MSNBC out of your ass a network you would most likely be condemning as Fake news or maybe something else, You can't suddenly fucking shift, because some of the same idiots NOW say something you agree with.

[Machismo]

Because this forum is populated with leftists, socialists, and a small contingent of communists.

And don't forget the legion of rightwing Nazi apologists who get caught posting fake shit when attempting to deflect about the issue (yeah, that's you). Remember when you posted some copy/paste crap about the Charlottesville violence, much of which had already been refuted before you put it there? Seriously, where did you get that list from that you pasted in the Charlottesville thread. That thing was terrible, you guys need to get your talking points from better sources.

[zEmini]

At one time you had a group of people (mainly Trump supporters prior to the election) give them self's the name "Alt-Right" to differentiate themselves from the regular Republicans. But then that term was twisted into being associated with the fringe right Republicans (KKK, Rednecks, Neo-Nazis and Nationalists). As a result you now have the term "Alt-Left" to to describe extreme left (Anifa, Communists, ect).

Both exists whether you choose to believe it or not. Once group embraces it while the other tries to deny its existence.

[Doctor Amadeus]

But antifa solving problems with violence is ok for reasons

And pulling bullshit out of your ass and making it up is apparently ok to turn a blind eye to murder and attempted murder by a group uniting under the right with Nazis and White Supremacist.

Show me a Video on the right anybody actually calling out by name White Supremacist on the right GO ON!

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Its a liberal network, not left leaning.

Liberal is fucking left leaning HAHA, maybe half the reason why people are confused is because of bullshit like this.

[Independent voter]

When even MSNBC, a very left leaning network begins to condemn ANTIFA, I'd say it's a legit problem.

It's obvious what the right has to do, take a non-violent approach to dealing with Antifa, get more news bits like in the video.

[JohnBrown1917]

At one time you had a group of people (mainly Trump supporters prior to the election) give them self's the name "Alt-Right" to differentiate themselves from the regular Republicans. But then that term was twisted into being associated with the fringe right Republicans (KKK, Rednecks, Neo-Nazis and Nationalists). As a result you now have the term "Alt-Left" to to describe extreme left (Anifa, Communists, ect).

Both exists whether you choose to believe it or not. Once group embraces it while the other tries to deny its existence.

Then just call them antifa or communists, why make a new label? Alt-right was coined by Spencer and Bannon, its wholly different.

[Machismo]

I'd prefer it be called "evil person". It cuts through the bullshit of making up terms and sets the stage for the level of maturity people that use it here have.

"You can't break the law just because Nazis are terrible" is apparently apologist. So I'm sort of stuck. Especially when people saying to break the law will cry just like the memelords that got arrested.

No, when the typical response to Nazis marching and attacking people is... "But, antifa..." then you have an "apologist." The attempt to create a moral equivalence between the coounter protesters and neo-Nazis is a clear push to deflect and avoid the actual issue.

[Theinquisition]

The Washington Post covered them too.

Well, better late than never.

What's sad to me, is that anyone who condemns political violence to this point has been called a nazi apologist or whatever. You can defend freedom of speech without agreeing with it's content.

Take the "Free speech" rally hosted by Joey Gibson in SF this weekend. He has publicly disavowed, and criticized extremist groups of all stripes many times, and he is still called a right wing agitator.

I am optimistic though, not that some of the more leftist news networks, and even nancy pelosi are condemning ANTIFA, and the whitehouse.org petition to label ANTIFA a domestic terror group has over 300k signatures, 200k more than needed to require a response from the White house.

[Doctor Amadeus]

At one time you had a group of people (mainly Trump supporters prior to the election) give them self's the name "Alt-Right" to differentiate themselves from the regular Republicans. But then that term was twisted into being associated with the fringe right Republicans (KKK, Rednecks, Neo-Nazis and Nationalists). As a result you now have the term "Alt-Left" to to describe extreme left (Anifa, Communists, ect).

Both exists whether you choose to believe it or not. Once group embraces it while the other tries to deny its existence.

Yeah you choose to believe shit because someone told you, not because you know how to discern actual evidence and facts or anything. Alt Right identified themselves, folks like you have tried to define the left as Alt-Left.

[Theinquisition]

And don't forget the legion of rightwing Nazi apologists who get caught posting fake shit when attempting to deflect about the issue (yeah, that's you). Remember when you posted some copy/paste crap about the Charlottesville violence, much of which had already been refuted before you put it there? Seriously, where did you get that list from that you pasted in the Charlottesville thread. That thing was terrible, you guys need to get your talking points from better sources.

Yeah, i guess i posted stuff in the heat of the moment, but if you want to dwell on past shit go ahead.

[Schattenlied]

Talking about the "alt-left" when no such group actually exists means you're deliberately attacking a fictional boogeyman out of a sense of naked false equivalence, in a form of partisan slander.

So, alt left is to the left what "assault weapons" are to gun owners. Both of those things don't actually exist, but people who oppose guns and the left will use those terms respectively anyways to scare people, because scare tactics.

In other words, the left and right are both hypocritical idiots who make shit up to scare people, but most of us (I would hope) already knew this.

[petej0]

OK Show me a uniformed leadership, show me some organizations and key people responsible for actions on behalf of said Group, show me evidence of Antifa Murdering anybody or outright encouraging such on THEIR site or something that specifically identifies them or their associates.


Not some random fight between protesters, not some picture of people in black torching a store, and not some random idiot shouting some bullshit most people can't hear in a sear of others yelling whatever the fuck they do.

Come on SHOW me some tradition.

Don't give me that well they are these secret fucking NINJAS that have no centralized leadership or move in any kind of way that defines this structure you give them. That is an Opinion. Based on mostly Conjecture.

Philly has a local Antifa chapter. http://phillyantifa.org/ taken from their facebook page https://www.facebook.com/phillyantifa/

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pe...-20170829.html

With its influx of millennials attracted by cheap rents, its punk music scene, and its long-time smattering of anarchist collectives along Baltimore Avenue in West Philadelphia, Philadelphia was a natural incubator for the movement. Four years ago, well before the ascendancy of Donald Trump, the city’s local antifa chapter was one of the first to align with a national parent group. Two years ago, the local chapter hosted the second national annual convention of antifa groups at the Rotunda, an auditorium at 40th and Walnut Streets.

When the Philadelphia chapter joined the movement, it agreed to several “points of unity” required by the national organization. The key point: The common goal was to “disrupt fascist and far-right organizing and activity.”

In another “point of unity,” the organization said: “We don’t rely on the cops to do our work for us.”

[Theinquisition]

Well when you pull the MSNBC out of your ass a network you would most likely be condemning as Fake news or maybe something else, You can't suddenly fucking shift, because some of the same idiots NOW say something you agree with.

I can be glad that they are finally acknowledge that there are leftist groups instigating violence.

[Machismo]

Serious answer - There really isn't any large-scale alt-left movement in the US. Antifa is growing, so that would be the closest one at this point, but still doesn't have that many members.

Part of the problem is one of perception. The US has become so highly right leaning that most people don't recognize the center anymore. Bernie Sanders, while left-leaning, was actually far closer to center than any of the Republican or Democratic candidates.



Let's put it in terms of math.

An alt-left person would say: 2+2 = 1

An alt-right person would say: 2+2 = 7

The center is actually: 2+2 = 4

But people's perceptions are so messed up because we live in a "2+2 = 5" to "2+2 = 7" environment that "2+2 = 4" seems horribly left-leaning. From the vantage of the "2+2 = 6" person, all those "2+2 = 5" and "2+2 = 4" people are left of them, so a "2+2 = 3" person feels like they are alt-left, when they are only mildly left.

Here's the thing, that picture is full of shit. It's based off of one person's belief of what he thinks a complete stranger believes, and how strongly he believes it. It's not very accurate, and I have yet to see them show the actual answers they gave for each person to show how they came to that conclusion.