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    Illian does what he can do best. Thumbs up for that.

  2. #22
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    poor xe'ra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupolew519 View Post
    poor xe'ra.
    Well to be honest, she should have expected Illidan to act this way. He's not some cute puppy of the light. Nobody would expect the Punisher suddenly become the Batman type of a guy (who does not carry guns and does not kill criminals). Illidan is more of a Luciferan type - he will be defiant, no matter what. And she clearly went too far with her "prophecy must be fulfilled" mindrape thing.

  4. #24
    Sorry, maybe I missed this part of the lore but what the heck was Illidan's "true destiny" supposed to be anyhow? The one that Xe'ra was going on and on about. Is it unknown? If his destiny was to stop the Burning Legion, clearly he ends up doing that anyhow as seen in the data-mined 7.3 raid dialogue.

  5. #25
    Did anyone else notice that as soon as Xe'ra was killed or destroyed or whatever, the glow of Turalyons eyes was gone? His eyes legit changed color from gold to brown, they faded. To me, he was following Xe'ra blindly, which Illidan then basically makes a reference to. still a GREAT cinematic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aildrik View Post
    Sorry, maybe I missed this part of the lore but what the heck was Illidan's "true destiny" supposed to be anyhow? The one that Xe'ra was going on and on about. Is it unknown? If his destiny was to stop the Burning Legion, clearly he ends up doing that anyhow as seen in the data-mined 7.3 raid dialogue.
    Al was explained in the "Ilidan" pre Legion book.
    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    nazi is not the abbreviation of national socialism....
    When googling 4 letters is asking too much fact-checking.

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    The Light must be destroyed. No better than all these guys that throw their bibles at you.

  8. #28
    "Nightfallen requirements removed from several Suramar quests, making it possible to complete the Suramar campaign without reputation gates."

    Does this mean a new player can unlock Legion Flight without having to be exalted with the Nightfallen now?

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by scubistacy View Post
    Well to be honest, she should have expected Illidan to act this way. He's not some cute puppy of the light. Nobody would expect the Punisher suddenly become the Batman type of a guy (who does not carry guns and does not kill criminals). Illidan is more of a Luciferan type - he will be defiant, no matter what. And she clearly went too far with her "prophecy must be fulfilled" mindrape thing.
    Well... Xe'ra didnt really say he would change his personality. He just say he would fix him and give him more power.

    Illidan isnt some fancy word - he is teenager with anger managment issues. He should be treated as such. Instead, for some moronic reason, everyone is listening to what this demon has to say.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Aliven View Post
    Well... Xe'ra didnt really say he would change his personality. He just say he would fix him and give him more power.

    Illidan isnt some fancy word - he is teenager with anger managment issues. He should be treated as such. Instead, for some moronic reason, everyone is listening to what this demon has to say.
    It's actually a nice showing of individualism vs conformity. The Light and The Legion are both representations of flavors of conformity, Illidan subscribes to the belief that you are you ("I AM MY SCARS!") and that you shape your own destiny as an individual.

    That said, much like any god-like entity, that scene proved that The Light can be just as much of an asshole as The Legion is.

    Cause much like some world powers of today, all they care about is winning some proxy war.

  11. #31
    My only beef is that from what we know of the Narru so far, I don't see them forcing this on Illidain. If they seriously have Xe'ra, the embodiment of light and virtue, try to force her will on Illidan, that just smacks of a terribly-written character. I'd like to see some addendum that Xe'ra was influenced by the Legion or went rogue, or something, because if this is truly their development for the Naru and light, that's stupid. I don't agree with the not-so-subtle messaging that even those who consistently act good and virtuous actually have an ulterior agenda and are at base morally equivalent to the bad guys (Legion). Except arguably the Legion is less evil, at least in the case of Illidain, they offered him their power and he chose to accept it whereas this 'embodiment of light and virtue,' Xe'ra, attempted to FORCE it on Illidain. Very poorly written if that's the best Blizzard can come up with for the good guys. If their ultimate goal is to suggest some stupid idea like 'there is no good or evil, just different shades of gray' or whatever, that's a pretty shitty story. I love the game, the art style, plenty of the story developments, but this one is pretty freaking stupid unless their is additional context we don't yet have.

    A resolution to this which would restore my faith would have some explanation of why a creature which is supposed to be good and virtuous would do something so obviously wrong that a 2-year-old could explain it to you.
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    My only beef is that from what we know of the Narru so far, I don't see them forcing this on Illidain. If they seriously have Xe'ra, the embodiment of light and virtue, try to force her will on Illidan, that just smacks of a terribly-written character. I'd like to see some addendum that Xe'ra was influenced by the Legion or went rogue, or something, because if this is truly their development for the Naru and light, that's stupid. I don't agree with the not-so-subtle messaging that even those who consistently act good and virtuous actually have an ulterior agenda and are at base morally equivalent to the bad guys (Legion). Except arguably the Legion is less evil, at least in the case of Illidain, they offered him their power and he chose to accept it whereas this 'embodiment of light and virtue,' Xe'ra, attempted to FORCE it on Illidain. Very poorly written if that's the best Blizzard can come up with for the good guys. If their ultimate goal is to suggest some new-age idea like 'there is no good or evil, just different shades of gray' or whatever, that's a crappy story. I love the game, the art style, plenty of the story developments, but this twist is pretty freaking stupid unless there is additional context we don't yet have.

    A resolution to this which would restore my faith would have some explanation of why a creature which is supposed to be good and virtuous would do something so obviously wrong that a 2-year-old could explain it to you.

  13. #33
    Seems like the light may have cult tendencies. Glad to see Illidan is still a non-conformist. By the way, Turalyons sword didn't even break the skin of Illidan, glad we don't have to rely on him alone to stop the legion.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Souflikar View Post
    Seems like the light may have cult tendencies. Glad to see Illidan is still a non-conformist. By the way, Turalyons sword didn't even break the skin of Illidan, glad we don't have to rely on him alone to stop the legion.
    Did you not see the blood dripping down his arm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Souflikar View Post
    By the way, Turalyons sword didn't even break the skin of Illidan
    Did you not see the fel blood dripping from Illidan's hand?

  16. #36
    This was uncharacteristic behavior for a Naaru, whom seem to be the most selfless beings in the game. I suspect Xe'ra did it on purpose.

  17. #37
    Sorta wish we could get some sort of CoT experience where we get to see what Illidan would have looked like if Xe'ra had gotten their way...

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Jorges View Post
    She will help us in the form of the Netherlight Crucible. Otherwise she would be commanding us behind the scenes, judging by how she tried to force Illidan's conversion. Personally, I love how the events turned out.
    Also remember how she ordered Alleria to be imprisoned for experimenting with the Void. Xe'ra was very much a "my way or the highway" kind of leader.

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Baelic View Post
    It's actually a nice showing of individualism vs conformity. The Light and The Legion are both representations of flavors of conformity, Illidan subscribes to the belief that you are you ("I AM MY SCARS!") and that you shape your own destiny as an individual.

    That said, much like any god-like entity, that scene proved that The Light can be just as much of an asshole as The Legion is.

    Cause much like some world powers of today, all they care about is winning some proxy war.
    Illidan subscribe to belief that everyone can be sacrificied and NEED to sacrifice to the greater good of Illidan. Unless it is Illidan. Then no no.

  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by VyersReaver View Post
    Did I... Did I just read the best. Change. Ever?

    Nightfallen requirements removed... It is bitter sweet at this point, but man oh man.
    This!
    I was just reaching revered and instantly got access to the reputation locked quests I had remaining. It definitely made my day , I'm sorry for whomever had to do the whole thing tho...

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