Trump considering pardon for Joe Arpaio

[Daelak]

The group that literally exists to fight Nazis are the only Nazis... Not the people who call themselves Nazis, march with swastikas, and chant Nazi slogans.

Wow, you're really full of shit.

He's one of millions of people that would join them or vociferously defend them if they gained more power, which isn't an impossibility because republicans already support programs and policies that neo-nazi's and white supremacists laud. It wouldn't take much for Ransath to actually become a white supremacist, he and others are just waiting for more racists to become emboldened by the president's language.

[Toogoodman]

There is no real history or precedent of a pardon being involved in flagrant violations of constitutional rights. They are historically more related to criminal cases, such as Obama shortening the sentences of certain drug offenders, that don't really touch on government officials violating due process and constitutional rights against a hostile government.

Well, you did have the pardon of Chelsea Manning, who was a government employee who leaked classified information to the media, aka treason. No lawyers, or the ACLU tried to stop that, which is a little more grievous than this shit head. Treason is in fact, the most grievous crime in the US, yet none of these people batted an eye. All i want is consistency, not an agenda, especially by groups such as this.

[Bullettime]

Apparently there's a lot of mobilization by legal experts on constitutional law to challenge Trump on this. Basically with the assertion that his actions in pardoning the sheriff violate his oath to uphold the constitution. The sentencing was based on his refusal to obey court order to stop violating the constitutional rights of those within the United States.... he was, essentially, charged for violating the Constitution, ie the document intended to protect the people from overreach by the government. Trump's actions in pardoning him, if allowed, give him the authority to throw out the Constitution. A police officer could beat a civilian for saying something bad about Trump, take his belongings, and then charge him with assault for getting blood on the police uniform, and admit all of this in court.. and then be pardoned by the president. The sheer scope of this distinctly goes against everything the Founding Fathers intended. There's going to be some official and a great deal of unofficial pushback over this shortly.

Both a good and bad thing with Trump. Bad that it's throwing our system into chaos and that no president has tried to exploit so many holes in the constitution before, good in that this may kick politicians in the ass to fix the holes.

There's assuredly going to be pushback over this. It sets a huge terrible precedent and says that your constitutional rights are invalidated if it's the president's buddies who violate them. There will be some sort of reform to the pardon that says they can pardon any offense except a constitutional violation.

[Candiman]

Well, you did have the pardon of Chelsea Manning, who was a government employee who leaked classified information to the media, aka treason. No lawyers, or the ACLU tried to stop that, which is a little more grievous than this shit head. Treason is in fact, the most grievous crime in the US, yet none of these people batted an eye. All i want is consistency, not an agenda, especially by groups such as this.

Chelsea Manning wasn't pardoned. She had all but 4 months of her sentence commuted.

[Lothar from accounting]

Since it was brought up I'll go ahead and drop it here:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...t-organization
It's not doing very well so far, but still has 3 weeks to go...

[Karfal]

Anyone who calls joe a racist should be tried for treason against this country.

This great man was ENFORCING THE LAW. Something radical shithead liberals fail to understand.

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[Pannonian]

Anyone who calls joe a racist should be tried for treason against this country.

This great man was ENFORCING THE LAW. Something radical shithead liberals fail to understand.

Afaik he was convicted because he ignored the law.

[rda]

Anyone who calls joe a racist should be tried and hung for treason against this country.

This great man was ENFORCING THE LAW. Something radical shithead liberals fail to understand.

He was overstepping the law, that's the issue.

And using his powers to chase his BS agenda instead of doing what he was put out to do = fight crime (which resulted in crime being neglected).

Look, I am FOR limits on immigration. Big limits. But Joe Arpaio is not about that, it is about the issue of police overstepping their boundaries for no good reason. This particular guy oversteps it in the direction of the immigrants, but some other guy (or this same guy on a different day) will overstep in some other direction - ie, towards me or you. I don't want it.

[draynay]

Anyone who calls joe a racist should be tried for treason against this country.

This great man was ENFORCING THE LAW. Something radical shithead liberals fail to understand.

Joe Arpaio is a racist.

[rda]

A characteristic episode:

http://archive.azcentral.com/arizona...puter0813.html

"
Maricopa County sheriff's deputies on Wednesday stormed into a county building, seized control of a computer system and threatened to arrest county employees if they tried to stop them, according to county officials.

County management responded by asking a Maricopa County Superior Court judge for a temporary restraining order against the Sheriff's Office.

The system, which provides access to law-enforcement databases, is the subject of a lawsuit between the Sheriff's Office and the Board of supervisors.

It links county computers to Department of Public Safety databases, which store criminal background information. But it also is a server and e-mail platform for several county agencies, including the Sheriff's and County Attorney's offices and the Superior Court.

Its management is the subject of a 2003 interagency agreement. But in light of recent layoffs of system operators due to budget cuts and squabbles among the agencies, the Sheriff's Office felt that sensitive data that should be the sole domain of law enforcement had become too available to the system's civilian administrators, who work for County Manager David Smith and the supervisors....

"The sheriff did not receive permission from - or give notice to - any other elected official or stakeholder agency before barging in with armed officers and demanding that he be given exclusive control," he said.
"

WTF is that??!

[Edge-]

Anyone who calls joe a racist should be tried for treason against this country.

This great man was ENFORCING THE LAW. Something radical shithead liberals fail to understand.

So will you cheer as loudly when your Constitutional rights (yes, even illegal immigrants have Constitutional rights) are violated and the man responsible for violating them, who was doing so by defying a federal court order to stop, gets a pardon by the president, sending a message that neither the individual who violated your Constitutional rights nor the president give a rats ass about the Constitution and ensuring that its protections are consistently enforced?

[Kujako]

Anyone who calls joe a racist should be tried for treason against this country.

This great man was ENFORCING THE LAW. Something radical shithead liberals fail to understand.

Point us to the law that allows imprisonment of American citizens for the crime of being brown. Then include the laws allowing the mistreatment of said prisoners and the usage of what "joe" called concentration camps.

[Thepersona]

Point us to the law that allows imprisonment of American citizens for the crime of being brown. Then include the laws allowing the mistreatment of said prisoners and the usage of what "joe" called concentration camps.

Or even if you're illegally in the US, you still are subject to the US constitution and the bill of rights (and that includes no cruel or unusual punishments)

[pathora44]

Anyone who calls joe a racist should be tried for treason against this country.

This great man was ENFORCING THE LAW. Something radical shithead liberals fail to understand.

Arpaio was not only a piece of shit racist who used his officers to terrorize anyone who was brown, he was also a tyrant in his prison who allowed his guards to beat his prisoners, abused them multiple times, killed one immates unborn child, and any number of other atrocities while running his prison. Then he was like Trump a wanna be dictator in his town. Imprisoning a reporter who was investigating him, hired a P.I. to investigate the judge in his case, and used his powers to cover up the crimes of his cronies. The guy is a monster and deserves to rot in jail. I can only hope since he took a plea and taking a plea is tantamount to admitting guilt in Civil Court his victims scrape everything they can from his bloated racist corpse and leave him wandering the streets destitute.

[Orbitus]

I'm proud of you for finally coming clean. BTW, Mark Dice wasn't even in that video.

It was his video though. And he thought that Trump owned any reporter, which is hilarious from a guy that has the mind of a 10 year old and the hands of a 4 year old.

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Since it was brought up I'll go ahead and drop it here:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...t-organization
It's not doing very well so far, but still has 3 weeks to go...

I don't know why it was started, they have been known as a terrorist organization for a long time. Depending on what group of white supremacists it targets. KKK and Neo-Nazis definitely have been.

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Anyone who calls joe a racist should be tried for treason against this country.

This great man was ENFORCING THE LAW. Something radical shithead liberals fail to understand.

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Enforcing the law is imprisoning people including US Citizens without due process? Or a reason? He was doing it because of the color of their skin, that is it. That is illegal and that is why there are people looking into their options about this since this pardon was completely out of the norms.

[Kasierith]

Well, you did have the pardon of Chelsea Manning, who was a government employee who leaked classified information to the media, aka treason. No lawyers, or the ACLU tried to stop that, which is a little more grievous than this shit head. Treason is in fact, the most grievous crime in the US, yet none of these people batted an eye. All i want is consistency, not an agenda, especially by groups such as this.

A few things. First, Manning was never charged with treason. Treason has an exceptionally high barrier to entry for any charges. You can argue that semantically it doesn't matter treason is treason, but if we're talking about the legal system holding to the exact definition is necessary.

Second, treason is a crime against the community, ie a criminal act, but is not a breath of constitutional rights. What makes Joe Arpaio's case significant from a legal standpoint is that he was charged for violating the rights of individual residents and citizens (more specifically ordered to cease and desist violating said rights by a court of law who had recognized his actions as being in violation of individual liberties), who whether illegal immigrants or not are protected by the Constitution. The president should not be able to pardon government employees who violate civil liberties. It undermines the very principles of the American legal system to an atrocious degree, because it means that there are no checks and balances on the president and if not opposed mean that he can have a random person pulled off the street and tortured to death and simply pardon the officer afterwards and the judiciary can do nothing about it.

Third, Manning was commuted, not pardoned.

[Toogoodman]

A few things. First, Manning was never charged with treason. Treason has an exceptionally high barrier to entry for any charges. You can argue that semantically it doesn't matter treason is treason, but if we're talking about the legal system holding to the exact definition is necessary.

Second, treason is a crime against the community, ie a criminal act, but is not a breath of constitutional rights. What makes Joe Arpaio's case significant from a legal standpoint is that he was charged for violating the rights of individual residents and citizens (more specifically ordered to cease and desist violating said rights by a court of law who had recognized his actions as being in violation of individual liberties), who whether illegal immigrants or not are protected by the Constitution. The president should not be able to pardon government employees who violate civil liberties. It undermines the very principles of the American legal system to an atrocious degree, because it means that there are no checks and balances on the president and if not opposed mean that he can have a random person pulled off the street and tortured to death and simply pardon the officer afterwards and the judiciary can do nothing about it.

Third, Manning was commuted, not pardoned.

trea·son: the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

Commuted/Pardoned, semantics, in the end it had the same result. As a former military officer it disgusts me that happened, especially considering we have people sitting in jail for even lesser offenses but would never get such a privileged. Add on top of that we paid for gender reassignment surgery for a convicted felon in federal prison (top kek). Transgendered = Can do no wrong

[Kasierith]

trea·son: the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

Commuted/Pardoned, semantics, in the end it had the same result. As a former military officer it disgusts me that happened, especially considering we have people sitting in jail for even lesser offenses but would never get such a privileged. Add on top of that we paid for gender reassignment surgery for a convicted felon in federal prison (top kek). Transgendered = Can do no wrong

Mhmmm, that's nice. Still never charged with treason, and still commuted not pardoned. If you have a problem with semantics, I'd strongly suggest staying clear of any threads touching on legal matters.

[Daelak]

A characteristic episode:

http://archive.azcentral.com/arizona...puter0813.html

"
Maricopa County sheriff's deputies on Wednesday stormed into a county building, seized control of a computer system and threatened to arrest county employees if they tried to stop them, according to county officials.

County management responded by asking a Maricopa County Superior Court judge for a temporary restraining order against the Sheriff's Office.

The system, which provides access to law-enforcement databases, is the subject of a lawsuit between the Sheriff's Office and the Board of supervisors.

It links county computers to Department of Public Safety databases, which store criminal background information. But it also is a server and e-mail platform for several county agencies, including the Sheriff's and County Attorney's offices and the Superior Court.

Its management is the subject of a 2003 interagency agreement. But in light of recent layoffs of system operators due to budget cuts and squabbles among the agencies, the Sheriff's Office felt that sensitive data that should be the sole domain of law enforcement had become too available to the system's civilian administrators, who work for County Manager David Smith and the supervisors....

"The sheriff did not receive permission from - or give notice to - any other elected official or stakeholder agency before barging in with armed officers and demanding that he be given exclusive control," he said.
"

WTF is that??!

It's MAGA, the same ideology you are carrying water for.

[pathora44]

It's MAGA, the same ideology you are carrying water for.

Hey it is fine that guys like Trump and Arpaio act like dictators and take away rights because as long as white Christian rich straight men who vote Republican are unaffected then everything is right in the world. Fuck anyone else because they are inferior races and should die in the ditch like the lesser races they are.