Ben Shapiro

[Sormine]

He does a pretty good job at dividing people on social issues like transgender rights and talks fast enough that the passive listener won't notice all the times he uses strawman arguments. Anytime I see a video of him its low tier edgy clickbait titles with a very obvious target audience.

If you're a Republican politician who needs votes, nobody is making your job easier than Shapiro. He will always find a way to divide people on liberal issues and make it seem like the left is the craziest group in the room.

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I don't want to be THAT guy, but those articles are from 2003... agreeing or disagreeing with what he said there there is a big possibility that he reviewed his position about those topics.

Sorry was just a foundation on how he started out and an insight into him. Other people who are more up to date on his crazy seem to suggest hes the same moron he was then.

[Theinquisition]

(Obligatory: I am not here to stir anything and let's try to keep it calm and civilized. Let's see if we can have some respectful dialog.)

Yesterday there was a thread where I posted (for the first time in this forum) and someone brought up Ben Shapiro, asking in part what I know / think of him. As far as I could tell this was some kind of a litmus test.

Now, as I said in the thread, I cannot say that I am a big supporter of Ben Shapiro simply because I didn't watch him a lot, just a couple of videos. But, as I also said in the thread, what I saw I didn't really have much objections to. For example, in one fragment that I saw there was a talk of those pronouns like 'ze' and Ben was arguing that it is his and only his decision which pronoun to use when addressing a particular person and that this should not be regulated. I happen to agree with this and I thought he argued it quite well. Or, in another fragment that I saw there was a talk about the pay gap (between women and men, I am sure many are familiar with the topic) and there he also argued pretty reasonably.

I am not even talking about whether I agree with his positions. There is at least one position where I disagree completely (whether to allow abortions - if I got him right, his position is that they should generally be disallowed and I disagree with that, long story). But I think it's OK to disagree on things, he still seemed pretty reasonable.

What I don't get is that some other folks here seemed to be of an opinion that Ben Shapiro is some kind of a black mark. So, my question is: why? Is it something he did that I am unaware of? Or is this one more byproduct of extreme polarization which seems so pervasive these days? Because if it is the latter, maybe we should be a little calmer and trying to pay more attention to specific points. Or is it really that Ben is the second Satan and it's just that I am missing something important?

What are your objections to what Ben Shapiro is saying? Be specific and imagine explaining what you think of the guy and his views to your foreign friend who doesn't have much insight into him.

Fire away (and thanks for responding).

I enjoy listening to his speeches and have had the opportunity to go to a few in person.

I agree with most of his politics, although not all. I disagree with him on Abortion for example. Over all he is a pretty good guy. I especially found myself in agreement with him when he said that DJT is perverting the GOP.

[rda]

I don't agree with Shapiro on everything either. He is a social conservative far more than he is a Libertarian. Since I highly doubt anyone will give you an honest answer as to why they hate him, I think I can sum it up pretty easily. [...]

Thanks a lot for the post.

Regarding the transgender stance, I am not sure I butchered it quite that much (for example, someone linked a fragment on the first page where Ben specifically addresses a person who switched gender as "he" instead of "she" and this seems intentional), but I might have. This isn't awfully important for this specific thread.

[Tijuana]

Thanks a lot for the post.

Regarding the transgender stance, I am not sure I butchered it quite that much (for example, someone linked a fragment on the first page where Ben specifically addresses a person who switched gender as "he" instead of "she" and this seems intentional), but I might have. This isn't awfully important for this specific thread.

I may have overstated that point. And to be fair, looking back I butchered as bad, or worse anyway. I retract that point. It would appear that we are not as articulate as Ben is.

[Theinquisition]

He does a pretty good job at dividing people on social issues like transgender rights and talks fast enough that the passive listener won't notice all the times he uses strawman arguments. Anytime I see a video of him its low tier edgy clickbait titles with a very obvious target audience.

If you're a Republican politician who needs votes, nobody is making your job easier than Shapiro. He will always find a way to divide people on liberal issues and make it seem like the left is the craziest group in the room.

Usually the left *is* the craziest group in the room lol.

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Ok, now I read the second article, how you derived genocide from that is still boggling my mind... Suggesting mass removal of a population is surely not a nice thing to the said population, but it is definitely not genocide.

Hes advocating ethnic cleansing. 'the mass expulsion or killing of members of one ethnic or religious group in an area by those of another.' Which is legally defined as a crime against humanity...

[Blur4stuff]

A HuffPo of the right you mean? It's a right wing rah rah site. They don't claim to have a news bureau.

Before I clicked the link I expected half the stories/articles to be something I'd see on /pol/: women/gender complaints, something about millennials and triggering, something attacking either or both Obama/Clinton, etc... Only thing missing is a rant about the media trying to convince white girls to date black guys.

But yes, HuffPo has some silly left bias articles too.

[Sormine]

Usually the left *is* the craziest group in the room lol.

Right, because the climate change deniers and evangelicals of the right are perfectly rational people.

Exhibit A of my claims, ladies and gentlemen.

[downnola]

The guy is the same kind of bullshit weasel as Sam Harris, Maajid Nawaaz. Slease artists who find rubes that will buy what you’re selling.

Found Glenn Greenwald's MMO-C account.

[Knolan]

Hes advocating ethnic cleansing. 'the mass expulsion or killing of members of one ethnic or religious group in an area by those of another.' Which is legally defined as a crime against humanity...

No, he is advocating for the transfer of the people. The definition of genocide is as follows:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily harm, or harm to mental health, to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

None of which gets in the way of what he is advocating.

Honestly I have no idea what is the right solution for this problem and as I said, mass transferring people is not a nice thing to do, but it is not genocide and I would not encourage you to say so as it will devalue the actual crime.

[Deleted]

No, he is advocating for the transfer of the people. The definition of genocide is as follows:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily harm, or harm to mental health, to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

None of which gets in the way of what he is advocating.

Honestly I have no idea what is the right solution for this problem and as I said, mass transferring people is not a nice thing to do, but it is not genocide and I would not encourage you to say so as it will devalue the actual crime.

transfering of people = soft way of saying ethnic cleansing.

ethnic cleansing doesn't really wind up being peaceful does it. GRIM.

[Everwake]

I've been following Ben for a long time. He's smart and argues very well. He's a religious prude, but I don't hold it against him. The Daily Wire, on the other hand, can be just as bad as Breitbart on occasion. I'd recommend watching Ben's podcast and ignoring the rest of the site.

[Theinquisition]

Right, because the climate change deniers and evangelicals of the right are perfectly rational people.

Exhibit A of my claims, ladies and gentlemen.

Calm down guy, im joking.

[Grapemask]

I've watched a lot of Shapiro snippets and I've never seen this master of debate the right - particularly the more alty of the right - insist that he is. His arguments are all 4chan dumpster tier arguments. He switches topics when cornered, drops massive logical fallacies, he loves to drop the "facts don't care about your feelings" line and yet at the same time he'll pile onto the "whoa, whoa, you're being offensive to me, oh no cut it out and talk about something else" as soon as it's needed to back out of a losing argument.

It's really like watching a preschooler try to play board games with the grown-ups. You know, the kid who isn't old enough to even try to understand the rules, so he just shouts his own rules and "I WIN!" The rest of us roll a 6 and hit 'Go to jail', he yells "NO I ROLLED A 500 I GET TO PASS GO AND GET A MILLION DOLLARS!"

[s_bushido]

No, he is advocating for the transfer of the people.

So when was the last time there was a "transfer of people" that didn't involve genocide? Are you being naive, or is he? Or...both?

[Orbitus]

He's awesome, I love the way he beats people down with truths!

Let me know when he speaks any. Just like every other fanatical right winger.

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Found the Bernie Bro. You're wrong, but that's okay, facts never matter to your ilk.

Was that an attempt at a refutation? If it was, it FAILED MISERABLY.

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It's sad when the voice of reason in the room is the one getting picked on.. The human race is in a downward spiral. Fuck your feelings man/woman thing get over it.

If you think Shapiro is the voice of reason, I have some sad news for you.

[Elba]

Ben Shapiro looks like a 14 year old that tortures animals for fun.

He also supports conversion therapy. Crazy religious fundamentalist.

http://ktth.com/2014/02/17/ben-shapi...rsion-therapy/

[Orbitus]

2nd most watched podcast behind oprah

Ben Shapiro's Podcast isn't even top 10. He is 16th and that is just for politics. That isn't even the top 200.
https://www.podcastchart.com/categor...itics-podcasts

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Usually the left *is* the craziest group in the room lol.

Not even close. Not when you have crazies of the right doing actual terrorist attacks and you can't even cite a terrorist attack from the left since the mid 80s.

[Orbitus]

The context is supposed to be on Itunes or something

http://www.itunescharts.net/us/charts/podcasts/

And he still doesn't even make the top 10 there either. Oprah is 5th. His position is 30th. His HIGHEST position was 2nd. That might have been for one show.
http://www.itunescharts.net/us/chart...sts/2017/08/31