Poll: WW3

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  1. #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    So do the Russians burn all their land in this war, too?

    Seems to be their thing
    That tactic was largely utilized by Russia throughout its history, not sure if it would b effective in todays world or not. They would burn their land and destroy or take with them any food surpluses and continually retreat back into their country holding out for winter. The evading forces would have to bunker down for the winter and without solid supply lines, the invading forces would be devastated with starvation and disease. Come spring time they would have to withdraw and reinforce. By that time the Russian's would have had time to mobilize and could go back on the offensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talon8669 View Post
    That tactic was largely utilized by Russia throughout its history, not sure if it would b effective in todays world or not. They would burn their land and destroy or take with them any food surpluses and continually retreat back into their country holding out for winter. The evading forces would have to bunker down for the winter and without solid supply lines, the invading forces would be devastated with starvation and disease. Come spring time they would have to withdraw and reinforce. By that time the Russian's would have had time to mobilize and could go back on the offensive.
    Russian winter remains absolutely brutal, but the ability to establish supply lines in an entirely motorized manner would probably have a thing or two to say about that. Last time it was tried the germans were still pulling in supplies by horse on the eastern front to a not insignificant degree.

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    What happened to our allies? They've signed treaties that they will help us in a war.
    Just like the US signed a treaty to defend the Ukraine ?

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    Russian winter remains absolutely brutal, but the ability to establish supply lines in an entirely motorized manner would probably have a thing or two to say about that. Last time it was tried the germans were still pulling in supplies by horse on the eastern front to a not insignificant degree.
    Horse drawn cart was the Nazi's main mode of supply transportation for the entirety of the war. That's one thing the Lend Lease really helped Russia with. Not tanks or bullets but 400,000 jeeps/trucks and 4.4 million tons of food to fill them with.
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  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    Good golly.. guys, get a fucking life.
    Really..
    Better so, get something to do that sends you in a crisis region where grenades might or might not fly over your head and you have to wade through ruins..
    Then come back and hypothesize about war and who may or may not win.

    If anything threads like this (since the question comes up times and again) raise the more important question:
    Why are people obsessed with war?

    Possible answer: Because they're fucking sociopaths?
    Idk. I never wanted to know who has the bigger dick, whose military has more oomph..
    I always wondered why people don't learn from history and still wanna go to war.
    There's no winner in war, period. There are always only losers.
    Good and relevant question. I've been wondering about it myself.

    The conclusion I have come to so far is that some people, like Ultima (or whatever he calls himself these days) loathe the Anglosaxon/American/Germanic countries because they, in many respects such as academia, industry and economics, perform better than, say, Southern Europe or Russia. A manifestation of a form of... envy or jaelousness.

    Stricken by this awful sense of.. envy, they look at these well-performing nations, particularly the US, with disdain. These people also like to think they are not alone on this good Earth with their loathe towards the American/Anglosaxon civilization and thus begin to project their own values of hatred & disdain for the West™ onto other civilizations and cultures, like the Russians and Chinese and the North Koreans. (Actually, the North Koreans probably do hate America but they are not a great force outside of.. North Korea ;-) ). I have even seen people on this forum propose that Brazil, India, Russia and China could, in the future, team up to give NATO what's coming to them (with little logical explanation of why the BRIC would do that). If that sort of stuff is not projecting one's ideas onto others, the idea of imaging that others have as much disdain for Faction X as oneself has, I don't know what is.

    I particularly remember one guy, not exactly sure who it was, who wrote on this very forum that if the UK attempted anyting too fancy against Russia, Russia could (and would) retaliate with nuclear weapons to such a degree that the british isles would be sterilized, destroying even bacteria. And that, IMO, shows what's in the deepest recesses of their minds; Imaging a functional country - arguably the biggest contributor to human advancement and progress in the last thousand years - burned to ashes. That these people entertain such thoughts shows clearly that they are not here to discuss politics, MAD-principles, history or the course of the world and where it's headed. They're here to entertain the thoughts of nations they dont like for some reason being blasted to smitherenes by other countries who, in the real world, may or may not have the capability but certainly not the incentives, to do this.
    So yeah, that's basically what I have hypothesized. These people feel that the succes of the US/Northern Europe is an injustice to the world that needs dealing with and they imagine scenarios where China, Russia and North Korea will team up and act as... Retribution Paladins ? ;-) With Seal of Command activated. xD
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  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Mall Security View Post
    Haha you fucking serious those are wars and conflicts on completely different terms than the the fiction in the OP. Because by that measure Russia and China have both gotten their asses kicked by the same measures.
    I'm pretty serious. Especially given that Korea is involved in both scenarios. The "all out WW3" scenario would quickly descend into pockets of crap much like those old wars and conflicts. It wouldn't be as smooth as expected by a longshot

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    Russian winter remains absolutely brutal, but the ability to establish supply lines in an entirely motorized manner would probably have a thing or two to say about that. Last time it was tried the germans were still pulling in supplies by horse on the eastern front to a not insignificant degree.
    Yeah, NATO countries a pretty darn close to Moscow, in a fictional invasion scenario where Russia for some weird reason would retret and scorch the earth, they'd have to withdraw so far that they'd either run into the pacific or the Chinese invasion.

    Scorch earth today would be done with nukes tho, invading Russia is unthinkable.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Airlick View Post
    During WW2 carriers were a novelty and the war doctrine wasn't really focused on them, they were rather considered support platforms providing AA defence for "actual" battleships.
    Must be the reason why the entire objective of Midway was for each side to take down the carriers of the other side.
    Japanese military was far inferior to US during WW2
    Korea was a war against hordes of poorly equipped mob with nothing but light guns
    You should really stop talking of things you have no clue about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IIBloodXLustII View Post
    Now, lets assume that the war does not go nuclear, MAD is a pretty good deterrent. The eastern coalition would win in the long term if the US doesn't get any help. Include NATO in this and the Western allies win but only after many years of war.
    US alone, the war would probably end up in stalemate. If the whole NATO is involved, then no it wouldn't take "many years". Russia would be overwhelmed pretty quickly if the shit became serious, and China has it's entire soft belly in direct range of SK/Japan/carrier groups strikes.
    The only who would suffer severe damage on the west side would probably be, precisely, Japan and SK, and perhaps Poland, which would be the ones taking the brunt of the east block attacks. The rest, without nuclear option, would be pretty safe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotutha View Post
    The casulties from those 3 wars (ww1,ww2, acw) are not even close to what China suffered during the Taiping Rebellion.
    You don't need to go that far. France's casualties in WW1 alone are already above all the death of US in all their wars combined.

    That being said, claiming a country "does not have the stomach" just because it hasn't yet had the occasion to fight for survival, is pretty dumb. Nobody has proved it could before the first time it did. Duh.
    Last edited by Akka; 2017-09-01 at 09:02 AM.

  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by BuckSparkles View Post
    Very true. A desperate country would more than likely use them.

    If Nazi Germany had nukes at the time as an example, I would bet 100% they would use them in the final stretch out of desperation.
    Final stretch? I can imagine Hitler announcing Barbarossa by lighting up Moscow. Do not forget that nukes were merely seen as huge-ass bombs at the time.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    What happened to our allies? They've signed treaties that they will help us in a war.

    the links to national information servers and to the website of national delegations to NATO.

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    dont expect any help in nuclear war

  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    Russian winter remains absolutely brutal, but the ability to establish supply lines in an entirely motorized manner would probably have a thing or two to say about that. Last time it was tried the germans were still pulling in supplies by horse on the eastern front to a not insignificant degree.
    Oh, the German motorisation was not the real issue. It's just that they expected roads, not waist-deep mud.

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by HolgerDK View Post
    Good luck stopping a country with more than 4 times the population of the USA from winning a non-nuclear war.
    good luck getting those troops across the ocean with such a shit air force and navy.

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Talon8669 View Post
    That tactic was largely utilized by Russia throughout its history, not sure if it would b effective in todays world or not. They would burn their land and destroy or take with them any food surpluses and continually retreat back into their country holding out for winter. The evading forces would have to bunker down for the winter and without solid supply lines, the invading forces would be devastated with starvation and disease. Come spring time they would have to withdraw and reinforce. By that time the Russian's would have had time to mobilize and could go back on the offensive.
    That thing forgets four things :
    - The attackers doing the worst they can, staying during the winter when it's harsh, and falling back after the winter to regroup. What about doing the opposite ?
    - Supply lines today with the ability to move stuff in a few hours, are pretty different than when it tooks days or weeks to bring stuff with horses.
    - It's only useful for attackers who want to OCCUPY Russia. If it's just about doing enough damage to force them to sue for peace, then the Russians ruining their lands to deprive the attackers from anything, is actually beneficial for attackers. Just attack, destroy things, let Russians destroy the rest, fall back
    - Napoléon and Nazi offensives being defeated were famous, but both were cursed with especially rigorous winter and more importantly huge supply problems. WW1 Germans managed to go pretty deep, keep their ground and Russia suffered immensely against them.

  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta333 View Post
    good luck getting those troops across the ocean with such a shit air force and navy.
    Good luck landing US forces on the coast of China.
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  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by HolgerDK View Post
    Good luck landing US forces on the coast of China.
    What would be the point ?
    Wars of conquest are gone. Bombing infrastructure is enough to destroy a country.

  16. #176
    Why does China and Russia have to deal with a North Korea handicap? That hardly seems fair.
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  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by HolgerDK View Post
    Good luck landing US forces on the coast of China.
    pretty sure we control the sea and the air making clearing a beachhead before invasion troops pretty simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta333 View Post
    pretty sure we control the sea and the air making clearing a beachhead before invasion troops pretty simple.
    You are as overconfident as the Legion. See where it got them.

  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by Lei Shi View Post
    You are as overconfident as the Legion. See where it got them.
    Reality doesn't write as badly as Blizzard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta333 View Post
    pretty sure we control the sea and the air making clearing a beachhead before invasion troops pretty simple.
    sure you can probably invade, but then what? it would be impossible to hold any significant territory. let alone at any life for life, cost for cost ratio that would be worth it.

    and don't be so sure you can keep the air/naval advantage, wars on this scale very quickly go from high tech equipment to mass produced simple ones. many cheap weapons can beat a superior expensive weapon, and you can't quickly replace high tech weapons.
    Last edited by mmoc982b0e8df8; 2017-09-01 at 10:25 AM.

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