Hurricane Harvey is America's 10th billion dollar disaster in 2017

[Tijuana]

His speech, press releases and tweets were not enough?

I can't read minds so I only have words and actions to go on, and they don't indicate to me what you said.

[GennGreymane]

I mean.... no shit?

[Allybeboba]

I am thinking that it will mostly likely overcome Hurricane Ike in cost, although both were arguably the same strength, Harvey hit more costly things, where Ike hit, not many people lived near that cost unlike Texas.

Ike made a direct on Galveston and Houston. We had windows blown out on some our downtown high rise buildings during Ike.
The major differences between Ike and Harvey are we were on the 'dirty' side of Harvey and Harvey all but stalled. At one point it was moving at 1 MPH. During Harvey we didn't get very much high wind which means very few people were without power for lengthy periods. I was only without power for a few hours Sunday. However, I still do not have internet or cable.

During Ike, Galveston experienced winds of over 100 MPH and a storm surge of over 20 feet. My parents didn't have power or water for three weeks.
Here is a wind analysis of Ike. The 'dirty' side is the NE quadrant.
https://www.weather.gov/hgx/projects..._wind_analysis

Harvey is very similar situation to Tropical storm Allison. Allison caused havoc all the up to Pennsylvania. It did something like $9 billion in damage. Here in Houston, Allison really only caused problems downtown and on the east side. Where as compared to Harvey it is everywhere. No area of the city was spared. You either had high ground and/or good drainage or you flooded. There was no getting away around it. It literally was raining 24 hours a day for 5 days straight in some places.

[apepi]

Ike made a direct on Galveston and Houston. We had windows blown out on some our downtown high rise buildings during Ike.
The major differences between Ike and Harvey are we were on the 'dirty' side of Harvey and Harvey all but stalled. At one point it was moving at 1 MPH. During Harvey we didn't get very much high wind which means very few people were without power for lengthy periods. I was only without power for a few hours Sunday. However, I still do not have internet or cable.

During Ike, Galveston experienced winds of over 100 MPH and a storm surge of over 20 feet. My parents didn't have power or water for three weeks.
Here is a wind analysis of Ike. The 'dirty' side is the NE quadrant.
https://www.weather.gov/hgx/projects..._wind_analysis

Harvey is very similar situation to Tropical storm Allison. Allison caused havoc all the up to Pennsylvania. It did something like $9 billion in damage. Here in Houston, Allison really only caused problems downtown and on the east side. Where as compared to Harvey it is everywhere. No area of the city was spared. You either had high ground and/or good drainage or you flooded. There was no getting away around it. It literally was raining 24 hours a day for 5 days straight in some places.

I don't get this...so you are agreeing with me? Hurricanes turn counter clockwise. Even though it was hurt by both, one was obviously worse because it was positioned to hurt it more.

[PosPosPos]

With the alt-right, the problem with them is not "climate change denial", but "all of reality denial".

[Zmaniac17]

Limiting energy production and food production would also have a negative impact on civilization. There has never been a path forward which doesn't create some new issues to deal with.

I think rather than forcing people to limit their consumption and production, what we should be aiming for is a cultural shift towards better stewardship of the Earth. That would give much better results. That takes time and the support of leaders though. People generally follow the pack so it's not that hard to create massive changes simply by getting all the leaders on the same page. The culture is still more powerful than laws and regulations.

In regards to energy production, I am optimistic given what I've seen recently that we will have more energy than we need in the very near future. Resources are still a major problem though.

[Draco-Onis]

I can't read minds so I only have words and actions to go on, and they don't indicate to me what you said.

Not surprising considering you didn't even know what was in the Paris accord.

[Tierbook]

Here comes #8

[matt4pack]

Always nice to see people acting all high and mighty while posting from their energy sucking PC's while having plenty of unnecessary gadgets.

They at least know how to virtue signal when usually they have a higher carbon footprint then the people they look down on.

[Zan15]

Here comes #8

lol another 100 year storm, or maybe 500 year storm...in the last 20 years....what that make like a dozen of them?

[Charge me Doctor]

When people put expensive houses in dangerous areas these numbers usually go higher, yes

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Better to do something than do nothing.

Like move the fuck off the coast? Or invest into engineering proper solutions? Like, you know, Japanese did with earthquakes?

[Tierbook]

lol another 100 year storm, or maybe 500 year storm...in the last 20 years....what that make like a dozen of them?

Those kinds of storms refer to how much rain is dropped over an area, this will be more of a wind event.

[Charge me Doctor]

There's a fucking obvious trend of weather events becoming more and more destructive and powerful compared to the past.

To the past when we didn't had proper ways to measure anything, or to the past that is still insignificant time to make any assumptions?

[frogger237]

The problem with Trump and his deplorables, is they won't get it until this happens every year, more than once:

Don't look now, but another monster hurricane is brewing in the Atlantic
http://mashable.com/2017/08/31/hurri.../#69p2EHo9caq2

Nah if it keeps happening they will use the data to support their ideals. "See look at the data we have since 2100, Its always been 165 degrees in April!"

[Hiricine]

Growing population + growing infrastructure = Growing disaster costs. Surprise, surprise.

You summed up the phenomenon better than anyone else here, and I'm 7 pages too late.

[Charge me Doctor]

How long ago do you think it was since we didn't have proper ways to measure anything exactly? You seem to not know how advanced technology is or was.

Climate change is real and humans contribute greatly. Get over it. Deniers of this are as insane as flat earthers at this point.

I'll say we can safely say that anything before transistors, weather satellites and internet is highly inaccurate and susceptible to errors in measurement, event detection and distortion of information (via human errors, negligence or simply manually overwritten data)

I also love how you label anyone as "denier", tells a lot about you

[AlphaOut]

The real disaster is Houston growing 40% in the past 25 years. The hurricane was just a storm.

[Caolela]

[Eldar45]

What is really crazy is that there is a clear link to climate change and yet

Honestly not really. Hurricane Harvey wasn't a disastrous storm because it was particularly strong for this part of the season. Many Cat 5 Hurricanes have spawned in August as far back as at least 1969 (Hurricane Camille), and Cat 4 storms in August since 1900 (The Galveston Hurricane, the worst hurricane disaster in history).

It was strong to be sure, but the devastation was because of the holding pattern caused by a couple of high pressure systems that blocked it from moving. First the storm surge comes in, then the storm continues dumping rain for a week. When Hurricane Katrina came through it blitzed up and out of the tropics pretty fast (It was still a Catagory 1 storm when the Eye passed over north Mississippi, Harvey was a Tropical Storm before it even got much off the coast).

I'm not trying to say that Climate Change isn't a thing (It probably is, but that is a topic for another time). But this storm wasn't out of the ordinary for anything except its stalling over the Texas coast.


TLDR: This storm wasn't unusually strong for this time of year, what was unusable was its stalling on the coast which lead to massive flooding. This storm has caused less fatalities than both Superstorm Sandy and Hurricane Katrina. Honestly they got relatively lucky, if a high Cat 5 storm like Hurricane Camille hit them they would have been in much worse shape.

[PC2]

There will be catastrophic events we have to overcome regardless of emitting GHGs. The economy grows .01% in a day and the billion dollar disaster has already been surpassed.