Communism never killed 100M people

[Zohrvos]

Capitalism over its existence murdered and continues to murder much more. Your bloodstained "stars and stripes" is fucking born on genocide on natives and continues to destroy at least one country every decade. And after sheltering much of sentenced nazi "scientists" after WW2 it isn't really your place to speak about how anti-nazi your murderous country is. So, could you please pick up your hypocritical spewing from where it landed and stuff it back in your mouth? It stinks.

People will find a way/reason to murder in any system of government, always have always will. Hate, Greed, Fear, Grief, Pride, will never go away. They will always spill out. The only thing you can hope for is damage control.

[Machismo]

So, how many people has "communism" killed?

The issue of Venezuela has not been debunked. It's one of many examples of heavy socialism done poorly in the wrong hands.

[Deleted]

You can usually see clearly where they stopped colonizing.

They did just as much good as bad

Starting with their arbitrary borders that divided the continent without taking any precautions regarding tribes/ethnicities and à billion other things that are still to this day source of conflicts.
If you take a look at where most of the problem areas are you'll notice it's near those weird straight lines borders

And right now Europeans are still maintaining support for brutal dictators in exchange for exploitation rights for fish/minerals/wood etc
The money goes to corporations and corrupt politicians while the people stay without access to basic necessities

France still has control over an incredible part of the African economy through the Franc CFA currency


So it's not like Africans are left alone and failing at governing themselves but they are being actively looted since day 1 of colonialism and that never really stopped everywhere

[igualitarist]

Communism killed 7 million "only" ? Lol

That number is the estimative for Holodomor genocide alone, you know, that genocide communists deny.

[Zohrvos]

They did just as much good as bad

Starting with their arbitrary borders that divided the continent without taking any precautions regarding tribes/ethnicities and à billion other things that are still to this day source of conflicts.
If you take a look at where most of the problem areas are you'll notice it's near those weird straight lines borders

And rght now Europeans are still maintaining support for brutal dictators in exchange for exploitation rights for fish/minerals/wood etc
The money goes to corporations and corrupt politicians while the people stay without access to basic necessities

France still has control over an incredible part of the African economy through the Franc CFA currency

Communism and Marxist Ideology are just like Christianity. If mankind could choose or live up to the the the things they taught, and principles they stood for, the world would indeed be wonderful place. Unfortunately, the vast majority of us are simply incompatible with the standards they set, we are just not. We fall short, and by no small margin. We corrupt the ideal by failing to live up to it, and look what follows. Capitalism on the other hand acknowledges greed, even rewards us for it. It is a reflection of our truest self, and that's why it seems to work better. There just aren't enough good people out there to run the world that way.

[Zohrvos]

They did just as much good as bad

Starting with their arbitrary borders that divided the continent without taking any precautions regarding tribes/ethnicities and à billion other things that are still to this day source of conflicts.
If you take a look at where most of the problem areas are you'll notice it's near those weird straight lines borders

And right now Europeans are still maintaining support for brutal dictators in exchange for exploitation rights for fish/minerals/wood etc
The money goes to corporations and corrupt politicians while the people stay without access to basic necessities

France still has control over an incredible part of the African economy through the Franc CFA currency


So it's not like Africans are left alone and failing at governing themselves but they are being actively looted since day 1 of colonialism and that never really stopped everywhere

Communism and Marxist Ideology are just like Christianity. If mankind could choose or live up to the the the things they taught, and principles they stood for, the world would indeed be wonderful place. Unfortunately, the vast majority of us are simply incompatible with the standards they set, we are just not. We fall short, and by no small margin. We corrupt the ideal by failing to live up to it, and look what follows. Capitalism on the other hand acknowledges greed, even rewards us for it. It is a reflection of our truest self, and that's why it seems to work better. There just aren't enough good people out there to run the world that way...

[Flarelaine]

I think you need to pick up a dictionary and understand the meaning of apologize.Also to learn how to spell it smh

He spelt an English word like the English do! The horror!

[Doctor Amadeus]

You do realise we don't have to exonerate Hitler in order to condemn the communists right? When you're talking about murdering people in the millions, you don't get a pass because the other guy did it too.

Well maybe there is merit to that point but since we are going with the flat out fucking triggered the events that caused WW2 to begin with.

As to your point more specifically no Hitler actually started out attacking other countries to unify Germany in a land grab, which included betraying Russia the fucking communist who he had a none aggression pact with.

There is a difference between fighting to defend yourself, and going out intentionally trying to provoke and assault people, something most Alt-Right Nazi's haven't picked up on

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You can usually see clearly where they stopped colonizing.

If by clearly see where they stopped colonising you mean where they stopped fucking literally destroying the entire eco systems in order to build unsustainable industry and create pollution then yeah.

And years later would spend a fortune to get away from it and visit those Mud Huts.

[Deleted]

Possibly only 93 million victims slaughtered by communists. Shall only be indentified as the 'Ideology of Peace' from now on...

[Themius]

He spelt an English word like the English do! The horror!

I honestly don't know why they spell it with an s... it's a greek word and most of those words in English end in ize. Also apologize used to be the correct spelling in British English but somewhere along the line they decided to go with apologise.

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Possibly only 93 million victims slaughtered by communists. Shall only be indentified as the 'Ideology of Peace' from now on...

I saw a range that started in the 60s,why are you going with the upper threshold?

[Kraenen]

Spoken just like a holocaust denier.

[Deleted]

I saw a range that started in the 60s,why are you going with the upper threshold?

Where exactly between 65 and 93 million victims is the line for ideologies you can support and apologize for?

[Themius]

Where exactly between 65 and 93 million victims is the line for ideologies you can support and apologize for?

Who said support or apologize? I would be more concerned with being accurate... 35mn less death people is 35mn less dead people. 7mn less is 7mn less 35mn is like 3 more holocaust so let's try and be accurate? I didn't know wanting to be accurate meant apologizing for things now. If someone said "80mn people died in the holocaust!" I would be like no... it's far less than that it's like 11mn. You can't go and then say I am a nazi apologist because I want people to not inflate numbers.

[Flarelaine]

I honestly don't know why they spell it with an s... it's a greek word and most of those words in English end in ize. Also apologize used to be the correct spelling in British English but somewhere along the line they decided to go with apologise.

That is all true, but nevertheless it is still correct usage. Pestering someone for that is just a little weird.

[ParanoiD84]

Wow only 7 million less.

[Elba]

Capitalism has killed billions. It has any other system beat easily.

[Deleted]

There are a lot of people now that don't work at all, which simply wasn't possible back then, or you'd die. All the time the amount of people that can be supported grows higher and what happens? Less people work. I live in the nordics, so I see this happening. Its tempting not to work when you make around the minimum wage by playing PC at home.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Well maybe there is merit to that point but since we are going with the flat out fucking triggered the events that caused WW2 to begin with.

As to your point more specifically no Hitler actually started out attacking other countries to unify Germany in a land grab, which included betraying Russia the fucking communist who he had a none aggression pact with.

There is a difference between fighting to defend yourself, and going out intentionally trying to provoke and assault people, something most Alt-Right Nazi's haven't picked up on

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The Soviets weren't just peacefully sitting on their asses waiting for Operation Barbarossa to start. In collusion with Hitler, Stalin invaded Poland from the east 16 days after Germany invaded from the west, putting an ice pick in any hope of the Poles holding out against the Germans long enough for the British and French to respond. Three months later in November of 1939, the Soviets started the Winter War with Finland. After the Red Army performed so poorly in that fight, their participation in the war declined significantly until Hitler attacked.

Here's the point. Hitler and Stalin were both murderous bastards at the head of murderous regimes. They were both expansionist and reveled in taking terrirory by force. Hitler and the whermacht were just significantly better than Stalin and the Red Army at the latter. Where Stalin truly excelled however, was in killing his own people, in that regard he makes Hitler look like an amateur.

Your attempts to exonerate the Soviets by comparing them positively to the Nazis is just as ludicrous as doing the reverse. When we criticize Antifa and other like-minded groups for waving Soviet flags and idolizing murderers like Lenin, Che, Castro, Stalin and Mao, we're absolutely right for doing so. Furthermore, in doing so, we're not throwing out lot in with the white supremacists. We're allowed to dislike all of them, and for the same reasons.

[Fooliecoolie]

There is no human nature there is only learned behavior

beautifully demonstrated by that US kid ripping posters off walls in North Korea

No one does that in North Korea

It took a capitalist kid to come and show off his lack of education

Because North Koreans know they would get a bullet to the head, they don't get to go to jail like foreigners.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Capitalism has killed billions. It has any other system beat easily.

Do you have a hat full of these little falsehoods and just pick them at random to post here? You're like the MMO-Champion version of the Iraqi Information Minister during the 2003 invasion. That guy was great fun to watch by the way. You can look up his greatest hits on youtube.