Communism never killed 100M people

[verganna]

I don't think communism is possible for millions of people. Just for group of people who know each other.

[Doctor Amadeus]

You're just flailing about now. Have a shot of something strong and come back when your nerves are settled.

No, just not swayed by your bullshit and trying to conflate one topic for another. The Thread is about how many people communism killed, which is irrelevant, as to Trump being a Nazi, he is based on who supports him, his activity both before and since he has been in the white house and the people that voted for him

[ArguesWithStrangers]

USSR just took back what was taken from it in the chaos which followed the revolution. Finland was offered a compensation for the Leningrad oblast expansion. USSR has never invaded Poland.

Yeahhh no. The Soviet invasion of Poland is a well documented historical fact. The Moscow Treaty at the end of the Winter War with Finland only occurred because the Red Army was knocked on its ass, but was still big enough to consolodate what gains they had made. You're just as wrong as wrong can be. Sorry.

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No, just not swayed by your bullshit and trying to conflate one topic for another. The Thread is about how many people communism killed, which is irrelevant, as to Trump being a Nazi, he is based on who supports him, his activity both before and since he has been in the white house and the people that voted for him

Soo does that mean Barak Obama is a black supremacist and dyed in the wool communist? Those people gleefully supported him. I'm just trying to make sure you're consistent in your idiocy.

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I don't think communism is possible for millions of people. Just for group of people who know each other.

Until the biggest dude in the group decides he likes the smaller guy's girlfriend.

[PosPosPos]

Today, the only difference between communism and fascism is that the former doesn't really exist, but the latter is well and alive even in the US.

[Zoibert the Bear]

The left, running out of problems and fabricating their own.

Communism is a cancer that rewards only the poor and the weak. It does not let the intelligent and strong advance the human race by imposing senseless barriers.

[Tackhisis]

Yeahhh no. The Soviet invasion of Poland is a well documented historical fact.

The historical fact is that the east border of Poland was the Curzon line. In 1939, it was reestablished after the Lithuanian, Bielorussian and Ukrainian lands annexed by Poland were liberated.

[Elba]

And yet:

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Whatever the faults of the systems in these nations, they're infinitely better than whatever is envisioned by the bitter, jealous man-children that keep promoting Marxism or fascism.

Funny thing is that America, capitalism central, has an enormous child mortality and birth mortality for mothers compared to the socialist countries of Europe. We also have less homicides and don't go bankrupt when ill. I can afford getting cancer. The average American can't. Fuck yeah, socialism.

Also, all the people dying in third world countries due to exploitation are at the hands of capitalism. The only reason you got cheap shit is because of unimaginable suffering out of sight.

[Spectral]

Soo all technological improvements made are all due to capitalism?? Because that is why the people live longer these days, not because of capitalism. You could argue that because of capitalism we humans have had a faster technological advancements, but i do not think that point is very valid as capitalism stands in the way of innovation just as much as it does to promote it.

I think it's challenging to tease out what exactly is responsible for any given improvement in material well being, but I have no doubt in my mind that the ability to profit from one's discoveries, labor, and capital is substantial driver of the sharp jump in technology and lifespans throughout Western nations.

It's of course worthy of mention that fantastic 20th century governance is these nations was crucial. I put far more stock in stable institutions and competent management than in any specific economic structure.

Put another, quantifying the benefits of capitalism is hard in a way that quantifying the evils of communism isn't.

[Elba]

The left, running out of problems and fabricating their own.

Communism is a cancer that rewards only the poor and the weak. It does not let the intelligent and strong advance the human race by imposing senseless barriers.

It protects the vulnerable from being exploited by predators and looters. A good barrier would be a guillotine blade between a capitalist's head and his shoulders.

[Knolan]

Whenever you speak with neo mccarthyists about communism you will hear 2 things : "venezuela" and "100 million dead".

If you know your ideology can't rival communism it is convenient to use debate silencing fallacies.

Venezuela has already been debunked plenty so I wanted to take a look at the 100 million dead claim and its sources.

Well it turns out it comes from... only one single book.

Suddenly all seems fishy. So I read the wiki article and stumble on this :



I'd lie if i said i was genuinely surprised. It was suspicious from the start that very average people suddenly became super educated about historical figures and events. Well it turns out that 100 million number was just another convenient scheme sourced from 1 single author whose collaborators disavowed, and singled out for use in us propaganda.

OMFG, see, it was just 89m, you guys are blowing it out of proportion!

Yes, the number varies, but the point is that a shitload of people died in communist states and the vast majority of them in the same pattern (executed with no trial, famine, concentration camps, etc), which is what really make people mad about those systems.

[HumbleDuck]

Yea, I'm with you on the Venezuela one, but mass murder is mass murder, 65m or 100m.
However, to say communism was responsible there, is also stupid. Russia and China had nothing to do with communism besidrs the name.

[Taso]

Whenever you speak with neo mccarthyists about communism you will hear 2 things : "venezuela" and "100 million dead".

If you know your ideology can't rival communism it is convenient to use debate silencing fallacies.

Venezuela has already been debunked plenty so I wanted to take a look at the 100 million dead claim and its sources.

Well it turns out it comes from... only one single book.

Suddenly all seems fishy. So I read the wiki article and stumble on this :



I'd lie if i said i was genuinely surprised. It was suspicious from the start that very average people suddenly became super educated about historical figures and events. Well it turns out that 100 million number was just another convenient scheme sourced from 1 single author whose collaborators disavowed, and singled out for use in us propaganda.

Anyone can edit Wikipedia it's very easy. For example the other day I was reading about sir Edward mosely and all the British facist party then somehow someone linked Donald trump to one these parties despite the fact that trump was working in real estate in the 60s and was American not British.
Secondly you are blantly ignorant, communism as a whole has killed well over hundreds of millions of people It beat its rival facism in that sector. Also projects are being done in order to find more corpses in these former communist countries to get a better idea of an isolated world under communism. Much of the current tenement buildings in Russia are built over killing fields to try and hide the evidence of genocide and purging done by the ussr.
Now I could always say that communism never existed in the same way that pure facism and capitalism never did either, that would make it socialism thus destroying Marx and Engels concept even further.
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM
I do not need a book to tell me how many people have died under such a utopian ideology. Having members who survived such a system it is brutal and having land taken away from you with no regard to how much you paid for is wrong too. This is the real communism not the fantasy world that it is given to wealthy nations.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Soo does that mean Barak Obama is a black supremacist and dyed in the wool communist? Those people gleefully supported him. I'm just trying to make sure you're consistent in your idiocy.

What the fuck are you talking about Barack Obama didn't entertain black supremacist, nor had he ever pandered to organizations.

Haha as for if I am consistent if what I stated was idiocy then what the fuck is the point of asking that question to begin with?

The truth is your statement in that question reveals more about you and the question.

The only person in the WH that is close to Communist is Trump with Putin, and clearly that has more to do with Putin being a white guy, just like all of his Supporters that hated Barrack for the same shit.

The only stupidity being displayed right now is yours. Along with contradictions to statements when you can't help yourself.

[xindralol]

if CCCP achieved 1st man in space and nuclear supremacy without any talented people then communism is infinitely more efficient at allocating resources and workforce than capitalism

Educate yourself

lol you realize 'CCCP' is just Cyrillic letters sssr right? might as well use USSR

/silly

[TITAN308]

Sometimes I wonder if Kurata is some sort of caricature account.

All of his posts play on every single cliche regarding the topic he creates. (including his avatar and signature line)

[Doctor Amadeus]

The left, running out of problems and fabricating their own.

Communism is a cancer that rewards only the poor and the weak. It does not let the intelligent and strong advance the human race by imposing senseless barriers.

I am thinking it's highly ironic and funny you are bitching about intelligent and strong being held back by senseless barriers. Your is another beautiful example of statements that reveal more about it's author than any it does anything else.

I assure you that any time in life you have confronted barriers, it isn't because of how intelligent or strong you are. Seriously man WTF!

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I think it's challenging to tease out what exactly is responsible for any given improvement in material well being, but I have no doubt in my mind that the ability to profit from one's discoveries, labor, and capital is substantial driver of the sharp jump in technology and lifespans throughout Western nations.

It's of course worthy of mention that fantastic 20th century governance is these nations was crucial. I put far more stock in stable institutions and competent management than in any specific economic structure.

Put another, quantifying the benefits of capitalism is hard in a way that quantifying the evils of communism isn't.

So the millions of deaths caused by capitalism isn't "quantifiable" but in communism it is? In the end of the day it has very little to do with what type of governing system is in place, the main thing is that people aren't fighting each other over stupid shit.
There isn't anything inherently bad about communism other then the way they want to come to power, by revolution. Other then that it is about having everyone prosper, not just the ones with means. It is just that we have never had any communist societies on this planet, nor did we have had a society that is based purely on socialism.
And before you go into the USSR and China, those are not examples of communism or socialism, it is like calling north Korea democratic because it has the word democratic in its name.

[Spectral]

Funny thing is that America, capitalism central, has an enormous child mortality and birth mortality for mothers compared to the socialist countries of Europe. We also have less homicides and don't go bankrupt when ill. I can afford getting cancer. The average American can't. Fuck yeah, socialism.

Also, all the people dying in third world countries due to exploitation are at the hands of capitalism. The only reason you got cheap shit is because of unimaginable suffering out of sight.

A government paying for healthcare isn't "socialism". Your attempt to equate them is as idiotic as right-wingers that try to draw the same line. The only difference is that you're doing to it to create sympathy for Marxism, as where they do it to create antipathy for government spending.

The notion that third-worlders die because of capitalism is mostly so absurd as to not merit being addressed. With the exception of literal slaves, no one is compelled to sell their goods to the United States - they do so because it's a substantially better life than what was available prior to advent of open markets. The suffering in third-world nations is caused by a lack of effective institutions, not because of evil foreigners buying goods from them.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I think it's challenging to tease out what exactly is responsible for any given improvement in material well being, but I have no doubt in my mind that the ability to profit from one's discoveries, labor, and capital is substantial driver of the sharp jump in technology and lifespans throughout Western nations.

It's of course worthy of mention that fantastic 20th century governance is these nations was crucial. I put far more stock in stable institutions and competent management than in any specific economic structure.

Put another, quantifying the benefits of capitalism is hard in a way that quantifying the evils of communism isn't.

So what you mean is Capitalist have stolen fucking ideas, put their name on it, used money and currency to represent resources, and have raped plotted, and left virtual fucking voids at every god damn corner of the globe thus leaving a vacuum and bread trail right at the door steps of those with too much and too many with too little at the expense.

The idea that this is sane rational or has no impact on the planet regardless to what countries or systems might call themselves, is stupid. It's like companies that pit one state away from another here in the U.S or how a business will send it's HQ over to another country to avoid paying a tax rate that would support the environments they were born from.

So they can invert and take advantage of people somewhere else until the proverbial tit goes up.


It's toxic, unsustainable and stupid, and has caused as many or more problems in terms of all the shit you and others try to peg on just about ANY system on the left you can find.

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lol you realize 'CCCP' is just Cyrillic letters sssr right? might as well use USSR

/silly

I can read it I know

But thanks I guess ?