Now it's Bernie Sander's fault that Hillary lost the election.

[announced]

Isn't Hillary running out of people/things to blame for her election loss?
here is a picture


granted it is Fox and Friends so there is bound to be some bias, but we can add #25 to the list
Bernie Sanders

we are still missing a few more things/people:
Alex Jones
The Illuminati
Global Warming

[Doctor Amadeus]

@Mall Security I know that 6 to 12% of Sanders voters voted Trump.

I can't find the exact numbers post-election but evidently about 19% of Clinton voters claimed they wouldn't after the primary. But probably lower when the actual general came around. Wish I could get something better but it is after midnight here and about to go to bed.

And after the primary, Sanders was talking to voters and went to rallies with Clinton and all. Not sure what you are talking about with after the election.

And actually Sanders held back some on the primaries but yes he gave plenty of reasons not to vote for her. But he also said he would back whoever won the primary at the end, even if it wasn't him. Which he did.

Yeah and this is why I loved him and picked him over Hillary. Yes in the primaries I voted for Sanders.

And guessing you hate me too then,

Yes, I do, but not just you any and everybody else that did the same voted Trump or Voted Stein, I mean I know Republicans personally that crossed over to stop this moron, and if they could plug their nose vote and do what was better for country, why the fuck couldn't those that should have who knew what was at stake and said fuck it all.

The only thing I want now is to keep those who split to keep on going, and those that came to to do more than talk, I rather implement support and be more open to their ideas.

I went and voted, but I didn't vote Clinton or Trump, I wrote Sanders name down and if I had to choose between otherwise, I would have stayed home rather than throw my vote away on either of them.

Well that is what was important to you, I am just not concerned with voting with you or supporting your ideas or causes unless they line up 100% with mine, because unlike the Republicans they fucking showed up when it MATTERED. Win or Lose and more important they gave a shit what was at stake.

I would never have voted for Trump with the crap he did and his stances while Clinton's crap made her unelectable as well with what she pulled in the primary with the final straw for me was when DWS was forced to resign due to her cheating only for Clinton to snatch her up into her campaign on the same day. Not saying it was the only reason I refused to vote Clinton, it was just the final straw the clinched it where I could not vote for someone to cheat and then antagonize like she did.

Well those were your reasons, you seem to have been sold on a lot of bullshit in an effort to be more open minded to the ideas of a man who actually did get elected. I am prepared now for Trump for the next 8 years, I am also prepared for the DNC to fail, or split if it embraces the mistakes of the past, which was not actually supporting those that show up and vote, and actually standing up for the beliefs and Ideas the ones who showed up for Hillary and cared about those who would lose the most.

You can blame me for that, but that is just placing the blame on the wrong person when it should be directed at the politician who ran the voters off thinking she didn't need them.

Nah people like you always have an excuse, you never really have anything on the line either, you have no education about where things come from, so you don't really appreciate what is on the line. In the end it really is all about you, not the millions that could die from a lack of health coverage, not putting a man completely goddamn unfit to be in the white house from operating on top of the world and doing all the things you bought Hillary was going to do.

You even ignored Bernie by your own admission, seriously you didn't give a shit, you didn't fucking show up, it didn't matter or much or how little difference it made. It wasn't about Hillary, it should have been about the issues you cared about, and if that lead you to take the actions you did, well everything else aside I rather not caucus or party with that.

The damage is already done with the DNC as far as I can tell though, they still refuse to admit they cheated to the public while in court they try to argue that they can break their rules as much as they want because "They aren't legally binding". And it seems like they are trying to stay the course hoping to coast through the next few years on "We're not Trump" again.

You seem to be under the impression people like myself care about winning elections at this point, the damage is fucking done HAHA! To be honest at this point I would rather lose over the next 20 years if it meant having to embrace the kind of stupidity and pandering to racist morons, who in the end aren't smart enough or too lazy to be counted on.

If they Liberals or Progressives don't have a say in the party, then they are in for a rough time because their refusal to give them anything but lip service at best is part of the reason they are struggling so much in what should otherwise be much more winnable.

I know a shit load of Democrats and not even one of them gives a shit about your ideas or anybody else like your self that voted and act the way you did.

Lip Service is when you claim to be behind something, but because of unsubstantiated bullshit and conjecture you fail to fucking be counted for what is important instead of staying at home, voted out of spite. Those that simply as you did ignore anything and all other pleas from those you claim to support and say fuck em, well feel the same towards those asking for a voice in the DNC now.

Trumpsters or anyone that will have you is welcomed honestly. That goes for all the Young Turk corrupt sucking up to Alt-Right Neo Nazi.

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Isn't Hillary running out of people/things to blame for her election loss?
here is a picture

granted it is Fox and Friends so there is bound to be some bias, but we can add #25 to the list
Bernie Sanders

we are still missing a few more things/people:
Alex Jones
The Illuminati
Global Warming

Well easily lead stupid people that isn't up there but I am not expecting that to show up on Fox News. Or the muppets who are still unaware it isn't news, it is a 24/7 News editorial for hire, with a staff of ultra right wing good old boys and news readers they want to fuck.

I mean make fun CNN and MSNBC all you want both just as terrible, but at least they try to hire journalist once in awhile.

[LordKain]

Bernie 2020

No Clintons, no Obamas, and for fucks sake NO TRUMPS!!!

[Fugus]

@Mall Security

Don't get mad at the voters, the voters didn't run Clinton off, Clinton ran the voters off.

You are blaming everyone for not falling in line for her at the last step which she was planning on with her crap in the primaries trying to make sure that no matter what she did, she was still the better option. Can't blame the voters for not playing along with that game.

If you want to blame people for not doing something when it mattered, then you should be blaming Obama and the DNC for not doing anything when it was exposed they were breaking their own rules to favor Clinton and that Clinton (And Trump) were breaking campaign finance laws to coordinate with their PACs. But they didn't do the right thing there because that was what they wanted.

If you want to blame people for not stopping this moron, then that still directs you to Clinton for both losing to him because their entitled but thought they deserved the presidency and she didn't need to work it along with the fact that she worked with the media to make sure Trump got the RNC nomination to begin with. If she hadn't Trump would have probably gotten the Sanders treatment by the media and would have been more lower on those polls. But instead they hung on his every word instead of treating him like the guy who was literally promising ponies a few years ago if he won.

And I don't have issues with voting for someone who's ideals don't match perfectly 100% with mine, never claimed to. I just have issues voting for someone who actively cheats and then antagonizes the people they just cheated thinking she put a metaphorical gun to your head so you had no choice but to back her.

And again, sorry, I wasn't sold on bullshit, I was sold on the facts. But the actions Clinton had in the primary was bullshit. So you are partly right on that, I wasn't sold on Clinton because of her bullshit.

As for one thing we somewhat agree on I am prepared for the Democratic party to split or fall if they don't learn from their mistakes. Either they listen to their voters instead of trying to manipulate and ignore them or they can fall and be replaced by a party that does. The second they do that, they will get more to come out and vote for whom they want without having to hold their nose, that will get more people actually willing to come out and vote for them instead of staying home or voting 3rd party. If they only support the ones who supported Clinton, you will have a lot of your base staying home along with Independents who are the biggest voting block because both sides suck currently.

And sorry, by excuse, you should be saying reasons. Because you are the one making excuses here trying to blame the voters for the failings of the politician. Setting up Clinton to play the victim because she ran off too many voters isn't helping anything. You want to help things to improve, put the loss on the politician where it belongs and force the party to actually look at itself and change.

And sorry, but don't project your lack of education on stuff to me. I do not support Trump (That is why I didn't vote for him) I think his healthcare plan is horrible as is his tax plan and his secretary picks. Too bad Clinton ran off her base and too bad she worked with the media to help him win trying to setup a patsy for herself. Don't put that on me or my education put that on her.

And again, I DID show up. I showed up and I voted. It just wasn't for either of the 2 unelectable ones.

We are stuck with morons who can't be counted on which is why Trump won to begin with. Quite literally why we are here, because we had morons at the DNC who tried to call people racist for voting for Trump and tried calling people sexist for voting for Sanders. You are saying you would rather lose for the next 20 years if the DNC stays what it was during this election, so not sure what you are talking about there.

And funny how you call people like me a Trumpster or a Nazi when I am ideologically opposite of them just because I refused to vote for Clinton.

You are waiting till the last act and ignoring all the dumb crap that happened before that just to vilify one side at the end. Sorry, but it don't work that way. If you want to blame someone for Trump, got back further than just the end and start placing blame where it actually belongs. Ignoring countless things that happened only to place blames on the end effect of those things isn't how you do it.

Well, I am off to bed. Night man. Hopefully you and the DNC figure things out. If you don't oh well, if the DNC doesn't we may very well be stuck in this situation again within the next 10 years or so when they refuse to listen to their voters and potentially even cheat again in their own voters and running them off again.

[Doctor Amadeus]

@Mall Security

Don't get mad at the voters, the voters didn't run Clinton off, Clinton ran the voters off.

Nobody ran off, those that mattered showed up, those that didn't sold out or didn't show up.

You are blaming everyone for not falling in line for her at the last step which she was planning on with her crap in the primaries trying to make sure that no matter what she did, she was still the better option. Can't blame the voters for not playing along with that game.

Nope, I am putting blame where it belongs on the shoulders of those that knew better but those that had no excuse other than not liking Clinton to sell out.

If you want to blame people for not doing something when it mattered, then you should be blaming Obama and the DNC for not doing anything when it was exposed they were breaking their own rules to favor Clinton and that Clinton (And Trump) were breaking campaign finance laws to coordinate with their PACs. But they didn't do the right thing there because that was what they wanted.

Again another line of shit fed to BernieBros and the ones it worked on did what they did.

If you want to blame people for not stopping this moron, then that still directs you to Clinton for both losing to him because their entitled but thought they deserved the presidency and she didn't need to work it along with the fact that she worked with the media to make sure Trump got the RNC nomination to begin with. If she hadn't Trump would have probably gotten the Sanders treatment by the media and would have been more lower on those polls. But instead they hung on his every word instead of treating him like the guy who was literally promising ponies a few years ago if he won.

The fact you don't get it wasn't about Hillary losing is proof you didn't understand you don't understand and there is no point in is going over what you don't know. I would have thought by default better that you could have figured it out.

And I don't have issues with voting for someone who's ideals don't match perfectly 100% with mine, never claimed to. I just have issues voting for someone who actively cheats and then antagonizes the people they just cheated thinking she put a metaphorical gun to your head so you had no choice but to back her.

No you didn't like Hillary that is why you didn't vote for her and that is your right, making up nonsense isn't needed. At this point you sound like a Trumpster

And again, sorry, I wasn't sold on bullshit, I was sold on the facts. But the actions Clinton had in the primary was bullshit. So you are partly right on that, I wasn't sold on Clinton because of her bullshit.

You were sold unsubstantiated bullshit and conjecture, and you took it as fact because you care more about looking good in fact rather than doing your best when it matters,

As for one thing we somewhat agree on I am prepared for the Democratic party to split or fall if they don't learn from their mistakes. Either they listen to their voters instead of trying to manipulate and ignore them or they can fall and be replaced by a party that does. The second they do that, they will get more to come out and vote for whom they want without having to hold their nose, that will get more people actually willing to come out and vote for them instead of staying home or voting 3rd party. If they only support the ones who supported Clinton, you will have a lot of your base staying home along with Independents who are the biggest voting block because both sides suck currently.

The moment the DNC starts listening to you, they will go the way of the fucking Green Party, nobody is listening to your socialist give me free shit line at this point, seriously, even the public option is probably dead now.

The Truth is me and a shit load of Democrats had almost nothing to lose from this last election, My health insurance is fine, my retirement is secure, I am not going to get anything but a tax break, but you yes and all the revolutionaries, you might lose I doubt it, but those that believed in your bullshit they are going to suffer.

We voted we showed up and we did so in numbers, YOU, You fucking served yourself, and said fuck all those people, you aren't worth listening to, and you sure as shit aren't worth voting with.

And sorry, by excuse, you should be saying reasons. Because you are the one making excuses here trying to blame the voters for the failings of the politician. Setting up Clinton to play the victim because she ran off too many voters isn't helping anything. You want to help things to improve, put the loss on the politician where it belongs and force the party to actually look at itself and change.

By reason I mean argument backed by an order of thought that can be applied rationally, as opposed to an excuse with no substance other than conjecture or made up bullshit for not doing what the fuck you said you would do.

And sorry, but don't project your lack of education on stuff to me. I do not support Trump (That is why I didn't vote for him) I think his healthcare plan is horrible as is his tax plan and his secretary picks. Too bad Clinton ran off her base and too bad she worked with the media to help him win trying to setup a patsy for herself. Don't put that on me or my education put that on her.

But you did, if you felt for those who had something to lose ever lost or knew what that was about. You didn't you didn't give a shit, and I personally don't give a shit about you or others like you now.

And again, I DID show up. I showed up and I voted. It just wasn't for either of the 2 unelectable ones.

You showed up because deep down inside you knew you were throwing your vote away you just needed an excuse for later.

We are stuck with morons who can't be counted on which is why Trump won to begin with. Quite literally why we are here, because we had morons at the DNC who tried to call people racist for voting for Trump and tried calling people sexist for voting for Sanders. You are saying you would rather lose for the next 20 years if the DNC stays what it was during this election, so not sure what you are talking about there.

You mean like those that went into a voting booth and didn't vote for the one candidate that could have at the very least delayed the actions of a Moron to hurt those the party they are in are about protecting?

And funny how you call people like me a Trumpster or a Nazi when I am ideologically opposite of them just because I refused to vote for Clinton.

Nah Nazi's were a bunch of easily lead, easily fed idiots told one thing and acted in many ways to fuck over the most vulnerable. I never called you a Nazi per say but you for sure talk like a Trumpster, I am totally expecting Jews did 9/11 and evidence you believe Hillary is a Lizard Man LOL!

You are waiting till the last act and ignoring all the dumb crap that happened before that just to vilify one side at the end. Sorry, but it don't work that way. If you want to blame someone for Trump, got back further than just the end and start placing blame where it actually belongs. Ignoring countless things that happened only to place blames on the end effect of those things isn't how you do it.

Not really, You act as if there is something I am worried about losing at this point, my only concern are those that showed up to vote Hillary and moving forward those that didn't fuck em.

Well, I am off to bed. Night man. Hopefully you and the DNC figure things out. If you don't oh well, if the DNC doesn't we may very well be stuck in this situation again within the next 10 years or so when they refuse to listen to their voters and potentially even cheat again in their own voters and running them off again.

We already figured things out, people that didn't vote Hillary can go fuck themselves, and I am not about to support any more bullshit Socialist, Free College Ideas, for morons who proved their education was over priced, and poorly used in the first place.

If the DNC is to recover and I believe they can, it will begin when when the rest of you and others like you go running for the Green Party or wherever the fuck else you can.

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Bernie 2020

No Clintons, no Obamas, and for fucks sake NO TRUMPS!!!

Yeah on a Green Party or Libertarian ticket go for it.

[Bryntrollian]

Now she's going down in history as the one person in politics who got defeated by Donald Fucking Trump.

She won't be the last....

[Rockyreg]

Boris Johnson nailed it back in 2007:

''She's got dyed blonde hair and pouty lips, and a steely blue stare, like a sadistic nurse in a mental hospital''

In all seriousness the bitterness and unwillingness to shoulder any of the blame is just destroying her credibility.

There was a sense that a shift from the Status Quo was required, and she was the only one not appearing to be offering this. Sanders may not have won, but he would have gone close and perhaps offered the US a semblance of the change that was being requested, but in a far more positive way than the incumbent.

She put her own desperate quest for power above all else, and that is not a good look.

[shimerra]

@Mall Security

Don't get mad at the voters, the voters didn't run Clinton off, Clinton ran the voters off.

When a retard puts his penis in an electric socket I don't blame the person who sold him the house.


The voters were directly responsible for voting for Trump. They own that.

[Unhinged]

I forget where I read it, but a quote that has stuck with me goes like this: "Bernie Sanders is like that kid in 8th grade who ran for class president promising new soda machines and no more homework."

This is just a joke. Do Americans really live in their own bubble so much that they have no idea of what other better countires do. Most of what Bernie was proposing is stuff that both the left and right do in most better countries.

Maybe you should consider moving your country to the first world.

[Rockyreg]

She doesn't need any credibility. She is rich, she is going to be out of politics, she can make even more money out of books and speeches.

She'll be plotting a way back to power as we speak.

[Blackmist]

Clinton didn't get it then, and she doesn't get it now.

"I am the establishment and I will keep things as they are" is a fucking terrible base position to run a campaign on. People vote for change because their lives are shit. See Obama. See Trump. See Brexit.

They're not about to think through what that change might entail, or that it will actually make them worse off. They just want change. One day they might even vote for change in a way that benefits them.

[JohnBrown1917]

Bernie Sanders was the pipe dream choice. Hillary was the logical choice. Trump ... is a fucking disgrace who is tearing apart his own party.

If you enjoy the corporations butt fucking you, sure.

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Um.... More Sanders supporters voted for Clinton than Clinton supporters voted for Obama I believe (Correct me if I am wrong)

And Sanders went to Clinton's rallies and all supporting her afterward. It was only like 5 months between the end of the primary and the general election day.

He didn't betray anyone, he supported her just like he said he would, his voters supporter her more than her voters supported Obama and the ones who didn't support her you can blame Clinton for running off.

I always find it funny coming from clintin supporters whining about Sanders.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democr...ton_supporters
...25% of her base voted for the Republican in 08.

[Deleted]

Bernie Sanders was the pipe dream choice. Hillary was the logical choice.

Yeah, well, I mean... That depends on whether you believe reality or not, seeing as though Sanders was always the more likely candidate out of the two of them to win against Trump. Lots of propaganda from Hillary team and her cult of personality members saying the opposite, of course, but hey, that's just how it is.

If you weigh the "logical choice", as in "she'll obviously get more done and can reach across the aisle - but, oops, she'll never ever be president" against the "pipe dream choice", as in "his ideas are radical and we feel like they'll never get done, but at least he'll handily beat Trump", then, well... I guess Hillary supporters wanted Trump to be president all along.

[Xandrigity]

Thing is there was no good candidate for president. So it came down to "what could you get by wth for 4 years"

[Fugus]

@Mall Security

Evidently enough of those that mattered did get ran off because we have president Trump and not Clinton.

My dear man, you have your head so far up your butt lying to yourself you have found Narnia by this point. Virtually all of that is you trying to blame the voters for a failing of the politician and ignoring everything that happened before to do it.

Listen man, you can lie and delude yourself all you want, all you are doing it lying to yourself and other like-mindedly deluded individuals. Hopefully you can see the truth eventually, but for the sake of the nation, you better hope that others break out of that delusion or we risk seeing repeats of this.

You are going as far as acting like most Trump supporters I have seen before claiming people who didn't vote Clinton are asking for handouts and free crap for things like healthcare in one of your sentences.

Not even going to bother commenting on all that horse shit trying to place blame everywhere but where it belongs. I didn't waste my vote, I voted exactly how I wanted to and even today, I stand by that vote and would do it again rather than throw my vote away on Clinton with all the bullshit she did. Can't even take responsibility for her actions and neither can a large portion of her voters evidently.

And if all you care about are those who held their nose or actually liked Clinton, you are helping to doom the DNC to a lot of losses in the future because you are ignoring why they lost this time. If people "Like Me" left for the green party, then the DNC will be dead. Independents make up the largest voting block and I have no desire to vote Green either.

You went from trying to blame the voters instead of the politician and pretending none of that mattered when it did and then you talk about running off the voters which is the whole reason they lost to begin with.

It is not the job of the voters to chase the politician. You need to understand that and quit looking at just the end of the election, look at what happened during the primary and how that effected voter turnout. Till you do, you will continue to try and scapegoat.

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I always find it funny coming from clintin supporters whining about Sanders.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democr...ton_supporters
...25% of her base voted for the Republican in 08.

Thanks, I couldn't find the information last time I looked.

[Doctor Amadeus]

@Mall Security

Evidently enough of those that mattered did get ran off because we have president Trump and not Clinton.

Haha none got run off, they just didn't show up.

My dear man, you have your head so far up your butt lying to yourself you have found Narnia by this point. Virtually all of that is you trying to blame the voters for a failing of the politician and ignoring everything that happened before to do it.

Honestly most of the nonsense you have sputtered on about most of which was to try to make excuses for why you didn't show up, have nothing to do with anything but you not me, this is about right now and going forward. Everybody else has, the problem for you is that you are right here trying to convince me, never going to happen, I know why you didn't show up, the truth is you just didn't actually care.

Listen man, you can lie and delude yourself all you want, all you are doing it lying to yourself and other like-mindedly deluded individuals. Hopefully you can see the truth eventually, but for the sake of the nation, you better hope that others break out of that delusion or we risk seeing repeats of this.

Says the guy still trying to justify what? You flat out admitted you really weren't a Bernie supporter either. Clinton didn't do anything to you except breath air, and you couldn't get past yourself enough to actually again "Show up"

You are going as far as acting like most Trump supporters I have seen before claiming people who didn't vote Clinton are asking for handouts and free crap for things like healthcare in one of your sentences.

Well Trump sold you like all the other Trumpsters, just like you they didn't give a shit about your issues either, and you helped by staying home. I just say ignoring you is the better path forward, because we picked up folks that mattered enough to get the majority, I rather keep who we have. You can go carry the water for Jill Stein or something. You know do some fucking work, put into the fucking cause instead of pointing fingers about what you are owed and you can't even fucking show up and do one thing for yourself, or for anybody else.

Not even going to bother commenting on all that horse shit trying to place blame everywhere but where it belongs. I didn't waste my vote, I voted exactly how I wanted to and even today, I stand by that vote and would do it again rather than throw my vote away on Clinton with all the bullshit she did. Can't even take responsibility for her actions and neither can a large portion of her voters evidently.

Whatever you have to tell yourself, I already told you the only thing important going forward is actually going with what we have and moving forward from there without pandering to racist and sexist Alt-Right Trumpsters.

And if all you care about are those who held their nose or actually liked Clinton, you are helping to doom the DNC to a lot of losses in the future because you are ignoring why they lost this time. If people "Like Me" left for the green party, then the DNC will be dead. Independents make up the largest voting block and I have no desire to vote Green either.

I cared about the supreme court pick, I cared about the Senate and Congress, I cared about Keeping a Unhinged Nazi from being put where he had no business, I cared about the people who were going to be vulnerable and die without health insurance, I cared about opening dialog to actually moving the ball forward, even if Hillary didn't get it all the way there.

You cared about your ego and some shit you heard from someone obviously too stupid to tell the difference between real and fake news. Like I said you are gone and good riddance, and as soon as others, get the you aren't welcomed back the better. Otherwise you can go collapse under the burden of actually having to do something other than talk down to people, and cry about how unfair life is.

You went from trying to blame the voters instead of the politician and pretending none of that mattered when it did and then you talk about running off the voters which is the whole reason they lost to begin with.

There are things I blame for the loss of the integrity of this country, which I wouldn't actually place all on you obviously, but the fact one thing I will agree with is that the sooner the rest of you keep going that Demexited the better rather than trying to drain resources on bullshit causes you couldn't even show up for, or make a single adult decision behind.

Well at least someone you didn't like is president oOkay!

It is not the job of the voters to chase the politician. You need to understand that and quit looking at just the end of the election, look at what happened during the primary and how that effected voter turnout. Till you do, you will continue to try and scapegoat.

Thanks, I couldn't find the information last time I looked.

Ask not what your country can do for you, see you got that shit backwards, representatives and presidents represent the fucking people, but guess what sometimes you still have to fucking show up and be counted, even if you don't get everything you want.

That is what is called being an adult. You can scream all day long about what people owe you, this isn't about that this is about what you owed yourself and what was on the fucking line, and you didn't show up.

As I Said if it's all the same I rather embrace the ideas of those that came over and gave the majority of the votes, rather than people like yourself willing to tell everybody what the fuck you want like this is Burger King and you don't have to do anything in exchange.

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If you enjoy the corporations butt fucking you, sure.

That is cute because you aren't going to have a choice ironically because of bullshit attitudes like yourself.

I always find it funny coming from clintin supporters whining about Sanders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democr...ton_supporters
...25% of her base voted for the Republican in 08.

If by whining you mean telling the truth. It's ok Bernie isn't going anywhere, he knows how the game is played, with his little fucking investigation going on into his wife's financial dealings, Ohh for shame!

[Deleted]

Cenk with the truth about this whole thing:

[JohnBrown1917]

That is cute because you aren't going to have a choice ironically because of bullshit attitudes like yourself.

So now its wrong to support any left candidates and want change?
You know liberals are not entitled to left wing support, right?

If by whining you mean telling the truth.

Whst truth? That Clinton's base did what they accuse Sander's base off... in far bigger numbers?

It's ok Bernie isn't going anywhere, he knows how the game is played, with his little fucking investigation going on into his wife's financial dealings, Ohh for shame!

Which turned out to be fake news lol

[Doctor Amadeus]

Yeah, well, I mean... That depends on whether you believe reality or not, seeing as though Sanders was always the more likely candidate out of the two of them to win against Trump. Lots of propaganda from Hillary team and her cult of personality members saying the opposite, of course, but hey, that's just how it is.

If you weigh the "logical choice", as in "she'll obviously get more done and can reach across the aisle - but, oops, she'll never ever be president" against the "pipe dream choice", as in "his ideas are radical and we feel like they'll never get done, but at least he'll handily beat Trump", then, well... I guess Hillary supporters wanted Trump to be president all along.

NO he wasn't the most likely choice, the rest of America isn't going to fucking work with or vote for a god damn socialist, shit not even the majority of Democrats would and I supported Bernie in the beginning anyways. But between the end of the election when it was clear his bullshit during the campaign hurt our own candidate despite what he said, he went ahead and tossed the DNC under the bus by suggesting the problem was not pandering enough to Alt-Right Neo Nazi's claming they were the working class white vote.

Hahaha yeah all those people making 70k a year LOL!

They didn't vote for Trump because of Hillary, they voted for Trump because they felt Bernies shit was going to turn us into Communist Russia, because they are just as fucking dumb as the morons on the left that drank the Kool Aide about Clinton because they heard all the lies told about her enough.

Like being open minded means listening to complete and utter con artist and bullshit artist on the Alt-Right, when they aren't using or trolling these dumb fuckers. Seriously that shit is embarrassing to see. What is worse is these same select few morons need to be explained every god damn 5 seconds, logic and reason as to why all the bullshit about Hillary was fucking nonsense.

Like these people seriously though "Well maybe the earth is flat" REALLY?

It's like the birth certificate thing, or the any number of other bullshit ghost I was only too sure Trumpsters would be dumb enough to believe but NOPE!

Now the same types want to be "Hey Gaiz, why don't we like hold hands" like anybody but these small few decided to not show up.

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So now its wrong to support any left candidates and want change?
You know liberals are not entitled to left wing support, right?

No absolutely not and that something I will fight for and want too, but I wasn't about to fucking let Trump be elected if I had any say, which is why I voted Clinton, because while she may have not been who I wanted, I could deal with her for 4 years tops while, holding her feet to the fire, going another way if she didn't

Whst truth? That Clinton's base did what they accuse Sander's base off... in far bigger numbers?
Which turned out to be fake news lol

I didn't, not until Bernie said his bullshit on Election day about Pandering to WCW voters and his base especially the ones who ignores his ass lapped it the fuck up.

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NO he wasn't the most likely choice

Well...he was the more likely candidate to beat Trump. That's just undeniable. But I mean, I guess people hate Sanders so much they're happier now that Trump is in power. Go figure.