Right Wing :confused: Left Wing

[Wyrt]

It's mostly just the US causing this because everything has shifted so far to the right that people thought center-right Obama was literally the second coming of Stalin.

[Adam Jensen]

How on earth do you end up with that fucked up conclusion? Their hate for the communists?

The same way he concluded the earth is flat.

[pathora44]

How on earth do you end up with that fucked up conclusion? Their hate for the communists?

He believes the Earth is flat so you know he isn't playing with a full deck.

[zmp]

Left: Stalin/Hitler
Right: Trump/Deplorables

[mvaliz]

It's not unusual for leftists to hate other leftists. Look at Charlotte.

If the Nazis are "leftists", why do they support Dumbass Donnie Dump like you do?

Also, why am i bothering asking somebody who believes the Earth is flat...

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Left: Stalin/Hitler
Right: Trump/Deplorables

Yeah, cuz this guy's avatar doesn't give away ANY bias towards Dumbass Dump at all...

[Orby]

I find American left very weird compared to the left here int he UK. Here in the UK we got labour left or Conservative left... the far right wings are kind of silenced in the BNP and UKIP parties. All the other semi-leaning right are kind of int he conservative camp. But they are no where near the extremes I see in America.

[Ravenblade]

Except that the Nazis are/were leftists.

They were not. Don't get fooled by the 'socialism' in their name. Socialism wasn't an unpopular tenet of a modern party to have in the 1920s. Back then the NSDAP, on grassroots level which made their win eventually possible, was dominated by the Strasser wing, a decidedly socialist movement with strong roots in völkisch ideologies as was typical for the then-dominating SA. Strasser was however SA and we know what happened to the SA after the Night of the Long Knives. With that the NSDAP removed any traces of leftist movements, it purified itself this way. The old rightwing parties before the NSDAP were conservatives and völkisch parties, the NSDAP stood out as confusing party first with nothing but violent lowlives in it, until 1933. However their interpretation of socialism was wholly different to the socialism of today, between today and then we had real socialism, a kind of Marxism-based socialism which didn't work out mainly because states implementing it relied on planned economy and state-guided ideology removing personal freedoms and civil rights on the go. The pre-Marxist interpretation (the NSDAP version) was based on Blut & Boden (blood & soil) sprinkled with antisemitism, racism and fascism.

So, by that extent they weren't left in the end, the final version of the NSDAP were far more rightwing than any other party before them and it's impossible to get even more rightwing. Also Left against Left did exist before Charlottesville, read up on SPD, USPD and the Spartakusbund. Spectrums are and were never defined by cohesion and intra-partisan solidarity. Leftist socialists are at odds with Greens are at odds with Socialdemocrats on some issues, same as rightwing movements share some stances but wildly differ and oppose eachother on other ones.

[satimy]

If the Nazis are "leftists", why do they support Dumbass Donnie Dump like you do?

Also, why am i bothering asking somebody who believes the Earth is flat...

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Yeah, cuz this guy's avatar doesn't give away ANY bias towards Dumbass Dump at all...

If Trump is a nazi then why haven't you taken up arms against him. Are you a coward?

[PosPosPos]

If Trump is a nazi then why haven't you taken up arms against him. Are you a coward?

How do you know he hasn't? Oh, are you one of those creepy stalkers?

[satimy]

How do you know he hasn't? Oh, are you one of those creepy stalkers?

Well nobody has opened fire on these "nazis" so you either don't believe they are nazis and are just using the term for patter or you're a coward that is literally letting nazis run the country.

[PosPosPos]

Well nobody has opened fire on these "nazis" so you either don't believe they are nazis and are just using the term for patter or you're a coward that is literally letting nazis run the country.

Ok, so you admit to being an criminal stalker. Thank you that was all I wanted to know.

[LaserSharkDFB]

They were not. Don't get fooled by the 'socialism' in their name. Socialism wasn't an unpopular tenet of a modern party to have in the 1920s. Back then the NSDAP, on grassroots level which made their win eventually possible, was dominated by the Strasser wing, a decidedly socialist movement with strong roots in völkisch ideologies as was typical for the then-dominating SA. Strasser was however SA and we know what happened to the SA after the Night of the Long Knives. With that the NSDAP removed any traces of leftist movements, it purified itself this way. The old rightwing parties before the NSDAP were conservatives and völkisch parties, the NSDAP stood out as confusing party first with nothing but violent lowlives in it, until 1933. However their interpretation of socialism was wholly different to the socialism of today, between today and then we had real socialism, a kind of Marxism-based socialism which didn't work out mainly because states implementing it relied on planned economy and state-guided ideology removing personal freedoms and civil rights on the go. The pre-Marxist interpretation (the NSDAP version) was based on Blut & Boden (blood & soil) sprinkled with antisemitism, racism and fascism.

So, by that extent they weren't left in the end, the final version of the NSDAP were far more rightwing than any other party before them and it's impossible to get even more rightwing. Also Left against Left did exist before Charlottesville, read up on SPD, USPD and the Spartakusbund. Spectrums are and were never defined by cohesion and intra-partisan solidarity. Leftist socialists are at odds with Greens are at odds with Socialdemocrats on some issues, same as rightwing movements share some stances but wildly differ and oppose eachother on other ones.

Don't bother. Hammerface has been corrected on this many, many times, has never acknowledged those corrections, and still spouts his ignorant and/or baiting comments. He's not interested in an honest conversation and never has been.

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Well nobody has opened fire on these "nazis" so you either don't believe they are nazis and are just using the term for patter or you're a coward that is literally letting nazis run the country.

I'm sorry, are you implying that the only two options are murdering people and letting them run the country? No inbetween at all?

[minteK917]

The Nazi Party under Hitler would be Center Right Authoritarian, to be actually correct. One name organisation doesent actually reflect what it is, you can only view the political organisation political leaning on its policy and its actions. It would be like thinking all the military groups in Africa with Freedom in their name are actual Anarcholiberalism, because they have freedom in their names lol, Military control and freedom, good luck with that.

As for America, they have very little left wing. Most of their politician ranges from deep right to center right. Thats why they have lunatics claiming to be Libertarian or people against abortion and stuff like that. Because most of their devides are how much authority they want to employ on social issues and not really economical policies. Which is why both parties hold contradiction in their own rank. Example Libertarian inside the Republican party, a party with a branch of people wanting to have more control on things like abortion and immigration, aka total opposite to Libertarian values.

[satimy]

Don't bother. Hammerface has been corrected on this many, many times, has never acknowledged those corrections, and still spouts his ignorant and/or baiting comments. He's not interested in an honest conversation and never has been.

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I'm sorry, are you implying that the only two options are murdering people and letting them run the country? No inbetween at all?

Yes we didn't negotiate with Nazis, we ended them.

[minteK917]

Yes we didn't negotiate with Nazis, we ended them.

To be fair, as with anything, it was only done once there was no other choice lol. Before that, people had no trouble having Olympics in Berlin.

[Rukh]

Left: Stalin/Hitler
Right: Trump/Deplorables

Hitler is not on "the left". He was a fascist. He allied with Mussolini. He is very much on the right side of the contrived linear political scale.

Anybody who cares about facts can't let this historical revisionism go.

[Yvaelle]

The political compass is really the far better way of discussing Left/Right distinctions. Hitler was primarily an authoritarian nationalist, but he was absolutely a Right Wing authoritarian.



The Socialist parts of his platform were very specifically for the Volk (read: White) community. So it was socialism for straight, white, Christian, males - death for the rest. Fascism is:

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce,[3] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum

Yes we didn't negotiate with Nazis, we ended them.

You being Russia? Because you very much negotiated with them, a non-aggression pact that the Nazis violated when they started invading you, and only then did you start killing them.

[satimy]

You being Russia? Because you very much negotiated with them, a non-aggression pact that the Nazis violated when they started invading you, and only then did you start killing them.

I'm not Russian, I'm speaking from US Perspective

[minteK917]

I'm not Russian, I'm speaking from US Perspective

So another country that did not declare war until forced into it? Look at it this way, during the 1936 Olympics, the state of jewish citizenship in Germany was already a very bad position. Both Ambassadors of the UK and USA tried to argue they should be boycotted. However both countries still attended. Our countries only declared war on Nazi Germany, when pushed into a corner that it was a non choice. Even the UK had no choice, Germany having continental europe control is the death of the UK medium-long term.

[Glorious Leader]

Because they don't know left-from-right anymore than you do? Both the neo-Nazis and the KKK have fascist streaks. The same can be said of Antifa. Fascism is a tool of the left. They're all leftists.

Of course when the earth is flat and youre standing on one extreme everyonr must be left of you..