Justice Dept. sides with baker who refused to make wedding cake for gay couple

[kail]

If it's your business, yup. You sure do. Bet someone builds a business that accepts everyone, and your business gets demolished.

As of right now, that is false. Hospitals cannot refuse their service or force services to anyone.

[Hiricine]

I'm rich, I open the lone hospital in an area. Do I have the right to deny people services like the baker. Yes or no. Also, not all are government funded.

Well there wasn't a hospital there to begin with, so the people in the area are still better off even if you only provide service to one person.

[Astalnar]

There's not really an easy way to distinguish this imo - if you're not free to turn down a gay cake, that also means the gay people are free to get a gay cake. It's still a free society, it's just the people who are and aren't free have changed.

It is easy. Even if we completely disregard the right to free expression, we are still left with.the right of a business to refuse service. The protected classes are race, color, religion, national origin or disability. Sexual orientation is not recognised under Civil Rights Act. And even with that said, you could deny service to all those protected groups if they don't fit the parameters you so choose, as long as you apply those standards equally. For example a dress code.

In all honesty, I think those homosexuals are just baiting for attention. You don't see them ever hounding muslim bakers for refusing to bake a cake for them.

[Ozzyorcborne]

A fair ruling. Private businesses reserve the right to refuse business for any reason. I wouldn't be surprised if the couple sued them just for the money and not for refusal of service.

[Sormine]

If it's your business, yup. You sure do. Bet someone builds a business that accepts everyone, and your business gets demolished.

This also comes under the acception that you do not take any Government monies.

Opening a hospital is an extremely expensive thing to do. You can't just decide to open one up one in the same area and expect financial support because you think you'll out compete the discriminatory one.

[Deathcries]

At least your honest with how little you value human life.

Yeah. Your life means absolutely fucking nothing to me. Your life has no worth to me. You could die tomorrow and not one fuck from me would be given.

[kail]

A fair ruling. Private businesses reserve the right to refuse business for any reason. I wouldn't be surprised if the couple sued them just for the money and not for refusal of service.

That's not what happened.

[Endus]

You're now comparing the baker to a KKK member who want's to lynch black people? I know you can do better than that.

No, I was contrasting the case we're dealing with, with a hypothetical based on similar legal principles to expose how flawed your argument was, regarding allowing people to break laws their religion disagrees with.

The point was that nobody seriously thinks the KKK should be allowed to lynch people, meaning you don't actually think that people have such a religious exemption, and thus you really shouldn't be trying to claim such in the case we're dealing with.

[Deathcries]

Opening a hospital is an extremely expensive thing to do. You can't just decide to open one up one in the same area and expect financial support because you think you'll out compete the discriminatory one.

It is expensive. However if someone knows there's money to be made they'll open it up whatever it is. That's capitalism. People strive to be better because we want nice things. I know I do. Socialism and Communism aka government control takes those things away. Less incentive to be a slave to people. I know I'd quit doing what I do if I got paid the same thing as a burger flipper.

[Deathcries]

This says more then any argument I could ever make.

vice versa. I don't believe in being a thief, and using government brute force to get what I want. You do.

[Sormine]

It is expensive. However if someone knows there's money to be made they'll open it up whatever it is.

There's no guarantee that there is money to be made. Not to mention that hospitals are a bad analogy.

An upstart company can't just immediately compete with a currently running one, they face so many disadvantages operating in an economy of scale. You'd be committing financial suicide to take on loans to start a company thinking that you would out compete the other just because you aren't discriminating against a minority.

[Zantos]

Do you guys honestly feel a business has the right to refuse service based solely on sex? If yes, how do you feel about businesses who refuse service based on race?

A business has the right to refuse service to Anyone for Any reason. Period.

Good decision. I am all for equal rights, and that includes not Infringing upon others rights to try to assert your own. The instant some cry baby decides to go waste our taxes on This pile of crap, I lose all sympathy for them. There are any number of other cake shops. Leave a bad yelp review and move on. Don't waste the tax payers money on this. Businesses have the right to refuse service for anyone for any reason. No matter what anyone says. There is no issue here. People have choices in where they shop for this reason. Don't like how one place conducts business? Move to the next and tell your friends and family.

To the people saying "oh the AG is a nazi", he did his job. His job is to uphold the law and everyone's rights. That includes not giving in to SJW BS and forcing someone to conduct business using a business practice that they do not believe in, nor uphold. This is kinder garden level teachings here people. The world is huge and, guess what? Not everyone is going to like you! Go associate with people who DO like you. You can't force people to suddenly accept you or like you or to even want to be near you.

Good for the AG. Who cares what his views are, he did the right thing.

[Sormine]

A business has the right to refuse service to Anyone for Any reason. Period.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would disagree with you. Unless you care to post an argument against that act, this statement is objectively false.

[Deathcries]

There's no guarantee that there is money to be made. Not to mention that hospitals are a bad analogy.

An upstart company can't just immediately compete with a currently running one, they face so many disadvantages operating in an economy of scale. You'd be committing financial suicide to take on loans to start a company thinking that you would out compete the other just because you aren't discriminating against a minority.

Trust me. If a business is rejecting people because of Skin Color, Religion, Sexual preference then that business is most likely going to fail, and another business will take it's place. It's 2017. Not 1950.

Sometimes in a capitalist society you can get the shit end of the stick. It's better then living in Venezuela where everyone gets the shit end of a stick. When you put all your eggs in one entity (Government) to run things when that one entity fails that's it. With Capitalism one entity fails another takes it's place, because there's money involved. When you start getting government involved in business then it's no longer capitalism.

[truckboattruck]

why own a business if you cant decide what you do with it.

[Deathcries]

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would disagree with you. Unless you care to post an argument against that act, this statement is objectively false.

For hire I agree. For serving someone I disagree.

[Zeek Daniels]

They're public accommodations, by definition. If customers can walk in and buy stuff, you're open to the public; a public accommodation. This means you can't accuse customers of "trespassing", for instance, just for walking in. Because you've opened those doors and invited them.

If you don't want to obey those rules, you can be a members-only club, or a client-based service. Neither of which is a public accommodation.

And no where in that public accommodation are you forced as a business owner to make a product you dont want to make. I dont know where you work sir or what you do. But i cant walk up to your place of business and demand you make somthing and sue you if you dont. The cake has not been made. The owner does not have to make it. The cakes in the shop and all products for sale in the shop were already made and could be bought by the homosexuals as at least one of them visited the shop frequently. Forcing the shop to make a product it has no plans of making is servitude. No one owns the shop but the business owner. And no one can tell him what he has to make for anyone.

[kail]

why own a business if you cant decide what you do with it.

Make money?

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For hire I agree. For serving someone I disagree.

It affects serving too. Can't refuse someone for being black, but you don't have to print out shirts that say BLM.

[Deathcries]

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It affects serving too. Can't refuse someone for being black, but you don't have to print out shirts that say BLM.

Yeah, but you shouldn't be forced to do something that's against your beliefs, unless you're government funded. If you pay your taxes, then you should be allowed to serve whoever you want.

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It affects serving too. Can't refuse someone for being black, but you don't have to print out shirts that say BLM.

I see your premise. Don't know how I feel about it. I hate racist. I also believe that any ethnicity can be a racist. It's should be disregarded in all forms. I also believe in the individual, and very much minimum government.

[kail]

And no where in that public accommodation are you forced as a business owner to make a product you dont want to make. I dont know where you work sir or what you do. But i cant walk up to your place of business and demand you make somthing and sue you if you dont. The cake has not been made. The owner does not have to make it. The cakes in the shop and all products for sale in the shop were already made and could be bought by the homosexuals as at least one of them visited the shop frequently. Forcing the shop to make a product it has no plans of making is servitude. No one owns the shop but the business owner. And no one can tell him what he has to make for anyone.

You're right up to that bolded part. If the baker refused to make anything, even just a simple chocolate cake on the menu for someone due to race, religion, gender, etc. they are violating the law.