Communism is alive and well

[zorkuus]

And like communism/socialism, it shouldn't be used to dictate laws.

And now you're tying communism and socialism together as if there can't be one without the other. I see this is going nowhere, good night.

[Deathcries]

And now you're tying communism and socialism together as if there can't be one without the other. I see this is going nowhere, good night.

Socialism is the first step.

[TwistedSkull]

Socialism is the first step.

How long does it take for socialism to turn to communism?

[Kokolums]

Horse Shit Nazi's have that beaten by miles.

I believe the totals are 11 million killed by the nazis in ww2. Stalin killed 8 million we know about, but records of killings from the early years of the gulag are lost. The pre-stalin soviets killed another 9 million from 1918-1923. Khrushev killed another 4 million between 53-64. Of course mao killed 45 million in the great leap forward. Even more recently china killed 1.2 million in tibet and extinguished their culture. Overall communism has killed vastly more people.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I believe the totals are 11 million killed by the nazis in ww2. Stalin killed 8 million we know about, but records of killings from the early years of the gulag are lost. The pre-stalin soviets killed another 9 million from 1918-1923. Khrushev killed another 4 million between 53-64. Of course mao killed 45 million in the great leap forward. Even more recently china killed 1.2 million in tibet and extinguished their culture. Overall communism has killed vastly more people.

You seem to be conflating your numbers there with a lot of other issues besides communism, or you are laying them all at the feet of communism, which if we were to go by that then it was likely a lot more than 11 Million killed by Nazi's because the fascist party was part of Germany well before the war. And if we are going to include everyone remotely killed by attrition or proxy, does that include people who died of the flue, got hit in traffic, or died of any other means while one type of government was involved?

How about your more recent figures attributed to China, how current do you mean, and is China still communist, at least in the way it was defined during Mao, and Stalin?

See I am not asking questions that I don't want to know or have already decided before what the answer is to you?

I also don't really want some canned response link or poorly worded paraphrase, because if you can't hammer out the details of what i said, or asked then it's ok don't bother.

But I am still going to go with the general figures given for deaths generally purported by WW2, which I am aware puts the number higher for communism than Nazi germany, but since word numbers are just thrown around, why not simply say Nazi's killed 10s of millions and still are because they exist today.

The truth is the only reason numbers get thrown around and not honestly by valid sources is because it serves certain people typically on the right who apologize and support Nazi's at the very least not as bad or less than the left or Communism.

The truth is no numbers or proof of anything are going to convince these people otherwise, and I don't think it matters either because in my view Nazi's are worse because they are a threat still fast today.

[Deathcries]

How long does it take for socialism to turn to communism?

Any time is too long. Socialism should be stamped out.

[TwistedSkull]

Any time is too long. Socialism should be stamped out.

You didn't really answer my question though?

[Forogil]

How long does it take for socialism to turn to communism?

Socialism as a stepping stone was implemented in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics - the state began in 1917/1922 and ended in 1991, and was nowhere near reaching the nirvana of true communism.

So we know that it takes more than 70 years, if it ever works.

You could argue that the socialist Republic of China was only established in 1949 - but it is not clear that post-GoF they are aiming for communism; the stock market and billionaires seem non-socialist - and coincidentally they no longer engage in large-scale democide.

[TwistedSkull]

Socialism as a stepping stone was implemented in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics - the state began in 1917/1922 and ended in 1991, and was nowhere near reaching the nirvana of true communism.

So we know that it takes more than 70 years, if it ever works.

You could argue that the socialist Republic of China was only established in 1949 - but it is not clear that post-GoF they are aiming for communism; the stock market and billionaires seem non-socialist - and coincidentally they no longer engage in large-scale democide.

Thank you for answering.

[Deleted]

What social benefits are making Sweden fall apart?


A country does have to have a certain amount of wealth in order for some social programs to work, but Venezuela isn't exactly a wealthy country. Before turning to a more socialist approach the poverty level was 40% and afterwards it was 20%. That's a massive decline. Today's problems in Venezuela is that they put too much emphasis on oil. That's like Greece where it put too much emphasis on tourism and then suddenly Turkey threatens to turn their beaches into glass, and thus Greece loses tourism and their economy slumps hard. Never ever put all your eggs in one basket.

Without oil being $100 per barrel, Venezeula's socialism couldn't work. So indeed a country needs a certain amount of wealth to allow social benefits to function. But the alternative would be going back to a population of 40% in poverty. To say capitalism works when countries have a 40% to 60% poverty rate is having very low standards.

Free health care, apartments and quite large monthly income by doing nothing. This was sustainable before, but when you suddenly import over 1 million people(In a country that had population of 8-9 million before this) in couple decades, who have average employment rate of around 10% after 5 years in the country, you start seeing problems.

[Deleted]

to all these communism cheerleaders: Go live in north korea. Have fun.

[Deathcries]

to all these communism cheerleaders: Go live in north korea. Have fun.

"That's not real communism" What I always see to the rebuttal of what you said.

Here's what the mmo-c would say "If we implement it my way, it would be the right way." ~Kim Jong Un

[Forogil]

The truth is no numbers or proof of anything are going to convince these people otherwise, and I don't think it matters either because in my view Nazi's are worse because they are a threat still fast today.

So - you totally ignore all the actual facts about communists democide - and then conclude that Nazis are worse because they are still a threat today?

Can you list the countries that currently have Nazi one-party rule or Nazi parties joining in a governing coalition?

China, Cuba, Laos, N. Korea, Vietnam are ruled by communist parties that have monopoly on power - and in other countries (including Venezuela) communist parties are part of the ruling coalition; none of the listed countries are splendid examples of human rights.

However, most (but not all) are moving away from communist ideas - and allowing private ownership in most industries and are thus improving economically (especially China, Laos, Vietnam).

[Bajat]

A communist dead = 10 humans alive. Go get them all!

[Vash The Stampede]

to all these communism cheerleaders: Go live in north korea. Have fun.

Korea is a dictatorship which is comparable to democracy where as communism is a financial system comparable to capitalism. One is an economic system, the other a political system. In theory democracy and communism can easily coexist together, but hasn't really been done in practice. Communism is good in theory, but is usually corrupted with a dictatorship like ruling. But this is no different than capitalism which also sounds good in theory, but in reality we have crony capitalism.

I'm not in favor of communism as I'm for socialism, but the definition of communism is "advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs". Essentially everyone is equal, which actually doesn't sound bad. Socialism is "commonly regarded as an economic system that seeks to achieve equality among members of society". Which again doesn't sound bad.

Capitalism's definition is "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state". Which doesn't sound so great. I'm sure someone will say it works in practice but...

[kneehidude]

Horse Shit Nazi's have that beaten by miles.

Could be wrong, but I believe Mao Ze Dong (However you spell it, from China) and Stalin (Russia) had a lot more mass murders than the Nazis.

[Deleted]

ill side with healthy good looking communists

[Deleted]

so much better to have people so fat they need vehicles to carry themselves into walmarts

Yes, yes it is. At least people have a choice if they want to get fat. I dont think people in Venezuela choose to starve to death.

[Deleted]

Citation needed.

Lol do you think you're TL;DR or something? That twat is always wrong anyway.

[Adam Jensen]

No matter Che's stance or politics he was a piece of shit who needs not be glorified.