Homeless evacuated against their will ahead of hurricane Irma. Right or Wrong?

[Dread Pirate Phayde]

After having gone through probably over a dozen hurricanes while living in South Florida, yes they should be evacuated whether they want to or not, no sane person should actually want to be out in that, there's not many places to ride it out safely outside down there, especially if it's a big storm. If they don't like it, then they better start walking north and then west.

[Sky High]

better to haul them off to a psychiatric ward ahead of the storm then have them end up in the emergency room or dead after the storm hits.

[ranzino]

The police have a duty to protect the citizens, even from selfharm. It's why we don't just let people kill themselves

if you cannot talk them out of it: leave them be. they could harm you in response and then what? kill the wannabe-suiciders is pretty useless, you know ?

[breadisfunny]

Quick shoutout to social workers for putting up with the shit they do for shit pay on a daily basis.

bit off topic wasn't it a mass. social worker who won the last powerball lottery win of 749 million?

[oxymoronic]

When friends from New York visited London, one of the things they'd comment on was how strange it was that in London the homeless people were like normal people.

A much larger percentage of homeless people in the US have mental or drug issues. If people think they don't need to get out of the way of a hurricane, then they're probably not together enough to be looking out for their own welfare. I can't see how people can disagree with forcing them away from possible death or serious injury.

yeah homeless people in america usually have mental problems or drug problems and its really sad. just the other day i was at mcdonalds and this old lady must have been 70+ and she was homeless. it has been raining off and on here lately and i kept thinking to myself damn this woman is stronger than i am. no way would i be homeless during all this, i would break in somewhere, rob something and be in jail in no time.

long story short, get them off the streets. they will be thankful later and if not, oh well. we dont want to clean your body in the aftermath anyways.

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if you cannot talk them out of it: leave them be. they could harm you in response and then what? kill the wannabe-suiciders is pretty useless, you know ?

meh homeless people are weak 99% of the time.

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restriction of movement just because you want to feel good and morale superior ? nope.

yep, deal with it.

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if you cannot talk them out of it: leave them be. they could harm you in response and then what? kill the wannabe-suiciders is pretty useless, you know ?

That's not how society works

[Ozyorkbourne]

your son is obliged to visit a school. but even the location and sort of school is questionable.
"mental issues yes/no" is a sharp edge. they are not silly just because they want to be left alone, sorry.

If they stay where they are they risk injury. Emergency services are obligated to respond to reports of people in need or danger/at risk. If during the storm they were to become injured and need help (which they would get regardless of if they want it - as it should be), then the emergency service workers would be endangered by responding.

Taking them in to 'custody' for their well-being isn't that different than a hospital patient being restrained from pulling out a tube or something that that.

I don't often tell people their opinion is wrong, but you aren't leaving them to make their own decision, you're leaving them to die.

[kasuke06]

if you cannot talk them out of it: leave them be. they could harm you in response and then what? kill the wannabe-suiciders is pretty useless, you know ?

yeah.... most "suiciders" don't actively want to hurt others. much of the time, simply making it mildly inconvenient will stop people.

[Ozyorkbourne]

The police have a duty to protect the citizens, even from selfharm. It's why we don't just let people kill themselves

Exactly

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[frogger237]

Don't see a problem less you want them to die?

I think he screwed up cause normally when he trolls about human lives its about pro life and forcing people to live in pain even if they want to die.

[Duravian]

Why should I be forced by law to wear a seatbelt?

Because we give up a bit of freedom for some security. That's the deal.

[Shinra1]

And that's a problem because?

Nothing wrong with it but please don't dress it up as faux concern and altruism when the truth most people don't give a rat's ass about their fate after the storm subsides.

[SoulForge]

Don't see a problem less you want them to die?

I don't want them to die. I don't want them not to die.

Indifferent? Other peoples choices in this case are none of my concern.

[Celista]

bit off topic wasn't it a mass. social worker who won the last powerball lottery win of 749 million?

No idea but I kindof hope so!

[ranzino]

So, you encourage someone dying because their knowledge is low or mentally unable to comprehend what's happening?

baaah, i'm really tired of this "mentally unstable" BS. just because they want to deny your help is not the same as being mentally unstable, so please leave that lame excuse out for a minute ?
distrust of government or believe in fake news or other issues are still a valid reason to deny any help.

[Aliven]

You do understand you talking about human beings, correct?

Again, Removing the freedom of people without them being seriously mentally ill or being a threat to others is not moral at all.

It's not a matter of "leaving" anyone. It's a matter of people being able to make their own decisions. Unless you are saying people don't have the right to freedom anymore?

There is a major difference between offering help and FORCING someone to do something.

Its akin to suicide. If they want to commit suicide, or are unable to recognize the danger they SHOULD be forcefully moved out of danger and/or taken care off.

[AeneasBK]

Well played.

[stabetha]

What happened to the democracy and the freedom of choice?

the last few months have shown that many believe the freedom of choice only count if you chose "correctly"

[Eldar45]

It is akin to allowing suicide to leave them on the streets. People who say "But personal freedom" would be very glad they got escorted to a shelter after the alley they were hiding in floods or gets hit with a tree.

99% of the time I'm against doing anything against another person's will but in this case anyone that wants to stay outside is either: Ignorant of what is going on, Mentally incapable of understanding whats going on, or suicidal.

[Orby]

I dont think having blood on your hands by letting them die is a good option either, as much as some of the homeless would want to die, better to save a life than allow it to die or be put at risk I say.