EU Tries to fine Poland $75 Mil. Poland sends Germany $1Trillion bill for WWII

[Arrashi]

If "victory" is the name of his and Macierewicz's private mental asylum, then sure. And BoR is old news, terytorialsi is all the rage now (that's literally how they themselves refer to themselves on recruitment posters).

Holy shit they actually do call themselves that. I had to google that since there are no recruitment in my area.

[Theodarzna]

ffs wake up man. germany is the eu.

The EU is practically a proxy for the old German Empire. Considering the EU must no sort out Merkel's decision to open all borders to any jackoff who wants to resettle in Europe.

[Nehezbegar]

The EU is practically a proxy for the old German Empire. Considering the EU must no sort out Merkel's decision to open all borders to any jackoff who wants to resettle in Europe.

Even Hitler couldn't imagine such control and power. And modern Germany did it in the white gloves, without using even one soldier, bribing Europen countries with money

[Aliven]

1. Give me one prove they create a dictatorship.
2. From what i know, PiS was elected in a democratic election. Imagine how fuckin bad the previous goverment been that ppl gave PiS the majority. This is what PiS is doing, the democracy, they have majority and they do whatever the fuck they want. Democratic law state is a contradiction. Either You have a state of law, or democracy there can't be both.
3. What damage they caused, can You elaborate ? The only long time damage they made is 500+ and introducing new retarded taxes, that truly fucking up the economy.
4. The goverment of PO and PSL was a Germany puppet, Tusk did his great job and then runaway to EU. From both evils i prefer PiS because they at least give an illusion they want to care about Polish interests, where PO was openly pro German.
5. From what i saw about the reform of the judiciary, it would look like in every other western country.
6. Well from what i heard, the president vetoed the above and is preping his version of the reform, he also he demanded dimission of few ministers.
7. About the education reform, its the goverment that introduced the previous one (z gminazjami) fucked up. Those only produced more patology among the teens and didnt rise by a dime a level of education. Similar with the universities they produce huge mass of ppl not prepared for the work market.
8. I can agree that the thing with the rreparations from Germany is a simple political move to gain voters.
9. So You want to remove Polish goverment by force? How does it differ from dictatorship ? PiS won a democratic election.
10. I am not a democrat, so i couldnt care less about a democracy in Poland.
11. PiS is not creating a system before 1989, if anything, PiS wants to create a system from between 1918-1939, which was also fucked up.
12. And no, the communism didnt end in Poland, perhaps we gained more freedom of speech, but we still are constrained by the socialism. The previous goveremtn lied to its voters about its liberal market views and introduced more taxes and destruction to the economy.
13. The wealthens don't come from receiving moeny (EU money) but from work and i feel ashamed that Polish ppl beg EU for money.
14. The previous goverment and EU policies are the SOLE reason for rising the nationalist movements here in Poland.

We basically fallen from soviet oriented socialists under burssels oriented socialists.

What i see in Poland is the cries of ppl removed from the trough

1. All power is concentrated in hand of one man.
2. Being elected in democratic election dont give you right to deconstruct democracy. You cant do whatever the fuck you want in democracy.
3. Fucking up economy, getting worse and worse eu relations, destroying courts by making judges being picked by politicians. And much more. On top what you writed.
4. Whatever it was it is completly irrelevant to the current.
5. IN every western country one person has power do destroy any court case, freely take and throw away judges from any case? ONE FUCKING PERSON!?
6. He is in open war with Minister of Defense and he vetoed 2 of 3 or 1 of 3 bills regarding courts. And also, his grudge isnt because they are not democratic but because they give to much power to one person. Supreme court is already fucked up. NEVER politics should have power to dismiss judges. NEVER.
7. Gimnasiums were fucked up royaly but after more than decade the system started working. Yes, it was bad when introduced but worked in the long term. Now, the working system mind you, is fucked up once again. And we are back to the system we have previously WHICH WAS ALSO NOT GOOD. But that is minor gripe. Much bigger of mine is new education program which fuck up any free thinking in favor for heavy nationalism and national myth that Poland is saviour of entire civilized world. Yes, it will create drones who are unable (because they dont know how) to be criticall of goverment, to be able of free thinking and being flexible. We create generation of nationalists who would not question anything.
9. No. I dont. But i want it more than getting kicked from EU because the moment this happen the Russia would make subtle and not so subtle move to anex Poland. What i want is PiS removed from power.
10. I care because i live here. Maybe not much more but still.
12. But it was there where Poland was growing despite everything. Even in depression. We even laughed here that "Poland is so fucked up even crisis wont work".
14. No. Uneducated masses, rising of church in Poland politics and more or less, lack of education. It is simple to manipulate people when they dont know any better. Also, our new glorious gov give free pass on heavy right (the kind which is dangerous like actual assaults). So no wonder they crawl from their holes.

[Mehrunes]

What enforcement mechanisms do they have? Do they have the will to use them? Thus far all I've seen is furrowed eyebrows and strongly worded letters.

A member state that refuses to comply with an ECJ ruling regarding its failure to follow EU law will have its EU funding frozen and risk voting rights penalties. Given how Poland is currently a subject of an ongoing procedure to preserve the rule of law, in case they act in the above manner, EU will also skyrocket that procedure to the top of their internal politics priorities and will see it to fruition, resulting in even more sanctions. The same will happen to other cases of Poland disobeying EU law that are currently being investigated by the ECJ.

Don't bother, the EU is basically a God in some peoples eyes.

Why shouldn't they bother? Because you continue to be triggered that I called your mecha Hitler horseshit for what it is to the point you feel the need to continuously lie about me? Even if I considered EU a god, it's utterly inconsequential to the fact that EU does have enforcement mechanisms for ECJ rulings.

Seems weird to be honest poland has taken in more of its fair share of refugees from Ukraine.

Why ever would Germany overlook that?

37 refugees over a time span of five years is not exactly much.

Pfff, stupid claim. Poland got eastern Germany as compensation. They can't suddenly demand more, or Germany might want their land back.

Except they didn't. Not only did they receive smart parts of it (some of which were previously Polish for longer than they were German), but they received it from Russia in compensation for what Russia did (i.e. taking even more land in the east).

In the public imagination (At least among those Left of Center) a refugee has to have a certain skin complexion or its not "Diverse enough".

Or perhaps it's because the claim of the Polish government about bajillions of Ukrainian immigrants is an abject lie according to data from Polish bureau on foreigners. Something that has been mentioned to you in the past, because you made a horeshit thread on that very topic. Alas, who'd acknowledge facts when one can create a safe space bubble instead.

I am curious, did the EU inform new members that EU diktat would be used to reshape the demographic makeup of member countries? I am just wondering if that stipulation was mentioned?

The laws on which Germany built their case were in place before the eastern EU expansion... Also, Poland is expected to take 5000 refugees. Because that's the quota the previous government accepted. That's slightly more than 2 refugees per municipality. How the fuck is that going to reshape the demographic makeup of Poland?

[oxymoronic]

Poland gave EU millions of ppl as a quality work force (cheap work force). Wasn't UK happy at the begining of the 2004 when they finally could fill plumber or other low skilled and low payed vacancies ? Its Your, similar as German or any other Western countries, problem that You weren't able to protect Your borders. Also from what i know noone is standing with a gun pointed to Your goverment head to handout the money to the eastern country. Solution is simple, just dont handout the money, problem solved.

average plumber makes 50k a year... even more if you own your own business and do it yourself. low payed jobs are min wage...

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It's the only reason why the EU is even accepting the immigrants. What do you think they did it out of the kindness of their hearts?

The EU is nothing but a modern version of the old trade republics back in Venice. All the bankers and corporate business leaders are calling the shots. The EU council is like a bunch of 'merchant princes'. The only reason refugees are being allowed in is because it = $$$ in the longterm.

Sources:
https://www.economist.com/blogs/grap.../daily-chart-6
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo.../#bd0380d49171
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-EU-chief.html

Even the UK is desperately in need of immigrants to avoid an economic catastrophe:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...it-catastrophe

doing it cause EU is stupid in this regard. what you think every decision they make is right?> dont worry, even my USA makes mistakes, so calm it down buddy. i mean i already got to tell you people i was right about the refugee wave, now you want me to wait generations before i can say it again? nah i was right, them refugees are nothing but problems.

[Nehezbegar]

1. All power is concentrated in hand of one man.
2. Being elected in democratic election dont give you right to deconstruct democracy. You cant do whatever the fuck you want in democracy.
3. Fucking up economy, getting worse and worse eu relations, destroying courts by making judges being picked by politicians. And much more. On top what you writed.
4. Whatever it was it is completly irrelevant to the current.
5. IN every western country one person has power do destroy any court case, freely take and throw away judges from any case? ONE FUCKING PERSON!?
6. He is in open war with Minister of Defense and he vetoed 2 of 3 or 1 of 3 bills regarding courts. And also, his grudge isnt because they are not democratic but because they give to much power to one person. Supreme court is already fucked up. NEVER politics should have power to dismiss judges. NEVER.
7. Gimnasiums were fucked up royaly but after more than decade the system started working. Yes, it was bad when introduced but worked in the long term. Now, the working system mind you, is fucked up once again. And we are back to the system we have previously WHICH WAS ALSO NOT GOOD. But that is minor gripe. Much bigger of mine is new education program which fuck up any free thinking in favor for heavy nationalism and national myth that Poland is saviour of entire civilized world. Yes, it will create drones who are unable (because they dont know how) to be criticall of goverment, to be able of free thinking and being flexible. We create generation of nationalists who would not question anything.
9. No. I dont. But i want it more than getting kicked from EU because the moment this happen the Russia would make subtle and not so subtle move to anex Poland. What i want is PiS removed from power.
10. I care because i live here. Maybe not much more but still.
12. But it was there where Poland was growing despite everything. Even in depression. We even laughed here that "Poland is so fucked up even crisis wont work".
14. No. Uneducated masses, rising of church in Poland politics and more or less, lack of education. It is simple to manipulate people when they dont know any better. Also, our new glorious gov give free pass on heavy right (the kind which is dangerous like actual assaults). So no wonder they crawl from their holes.

1. I think its more complicated than a power of one man. If You think Kaczynski is ruling this country from behind You live in a dream . The truth is more ugly i guess.
2. It does give You this very right. Either You have a state of law, or a democracy, having both is a contradiction.
3. EU wants to have a bad relations with us. Despite what media says, PiS is not a eurosceptic party. Do they want to leave EU? No.
4. It is not irrelevant. The previous govrement actions and the state in which they left the country, was the one of the reasons ppl chosen PiS and gave them majority. This also one of the reason for p.14, beacuse i also dont agree with You on that point.
5. Despite what the reform wanted to bring. It wont heal the fucked up system. It needs different kind of reformation and its a topic for other more detailed discussion.
6. It only proves, that He does not do whatever Kaczynski tells him to do
7. The system never wokred and never started to work. I have nephews that are in gymnasium now, and its still the same fucked up stuff as at the begining. The level of education lowered over the years to the level where retards pass matura exam, because there are task that ends on a quadratic function. And then when those ppl go on University and see integral, they panic. Not to mention that universities are problem for its own debate.
9. Still You want to remove PiS by force, how is this democratic ? Simply try to convince ppl to vote for any other party except PiS in the next elections if You dont want them to win, but i am afraid ppl wont choose PO or any other similar party anymore. And dont be afraid, they can't kick us from the EU, perhaps if there was 100% against us, but already Hungary declared they wont vote for sanctions against us.
10. I live here 100% and i dont care if we have democracy or not. I want a freedom to act and make money to ensure my family, nothing above this.
12. Only because we dont have EURO
14. I just dont agree on that, but further deliberation has no sense, because i will not convince You.

[Mayhem]

No one technically a refugee in this conversation as a refugee is supposed to stop at the first safe country.

Uhu, poland shares a border with ukraine.

Also that is kind of what this thread is about, but why would you suddenly care about facts. I mean where is the fun in knowing what you're talking about right?

[Nehezbegar]

average plumber makes 50k a year... even more if you own your own business and do it yourself. low payed jobs are min wage..

It was just a reference to the polish plumber joke. Most of the polish ppl worked as a construction workers, dish washers and all that low skileld, paying jobs. But i think tehre was a rise in bussiniess opened by Polish immgrants in the UK in recent years.

[Amerrol]

Poland has taken in over a million refugees from Ukraine. They're just smart and aren't willing to take in people with values the complete opposite of theirs. No one should be forced to take in people they don't want, especially if they're already doing a lot for refugees.

But I guess you don't get as many SJW virtue points if the people you help aren't brown.

[Mehrunes]

Because the "Ukrainian refugee" is a myth, that's why. Even before Crimea Poland recruited Ukrainians for both skilled and cheap labor, because the Poles themselves migrate to other European countries (UK, Germany, you name it) leaving a void that needed to be filled. It's only natural when you have a EU with vastly different living standards - it's one big competition for people.

Well, not entirely a myth. Poland has whooping 37 Ukrainian refugees! But that's not even the best part. The amount of Ukrainian refugees in Poland at the time prime minister Szydło started bullshitting about half a million refugees (that then magically increased to first a million and then even more, because Polish refugees in Poland are apparently Replicators from Stargate)? The astonishing amount of two. And it's still not the best part! Those two refugees? Not only were they taken in when PO was still in power, which negated the narrative about how caring PiS really is, they were taken in before the whole crisis with Russia (which was the background for PiS' immense care, as opposed to EU who supposedly didn't give a shit about the war in Ukraine).

And no one cares if they want to stay in Poland or not. It's about showing solidarity. If the refugees don't stay in Poland because it's not good enough for them, great. Poland wins because they are no longer in the country, while every other country can deny and sanction the economic migrant. Win/win for everyone, except for economic migrants/adventurers.

Not just that. If a refugee breaks the rules of their refuge, they put that status in a serious risk altogether.

Why would they want to show symbolic support.

Let the people who welcomed them in take care of them.

Poland already welcomed in the quota assigned to them. It's just PiS not wanting to fulfill the obligations of the previous government as if there was no continuation of power because Poland somehow became a tabula rasa after the last elections.

Pro nazi, anti immigrant anti-jew government wants reperations for ww2, how pathetic, if anything their govt and people were fully complicit, they are owed nothing. People act like the european countries didnt willfully tell the nazis if there neighbor was a jew or gypsy. Alot of the people in the country thought they were being liberated from a government controlled by jews( sound familiar?)Hell 99% of europe was probably pro nazi and if it wasnt for the speech regulations you would of had a 2nd holocaust by now, its just in their nature and they need strong laws to prevent there primal urges from being released like we seen in 2 world wars and hundreds of year of constant war and genocide.

Yeah, Polish government that was in exile in London fer sure was complicit and told the occupying Nazis everything Hitler wanted to know. So were Poles in general, who were murdered by the Nazis in the millions together with the Jews. Because Nazi's concept of Untermensch ended at Jews and the Roma people.

A few thousand? Considering Europe is expected to take in literally anyone who sets foot on the soil of a European State, I doubt it will be a few thousand. If Germany wanted open borders and to house the world, let Germany bare the cost of its leaders decision. If Merkel wants them, Merkel can have them.

But still, is it stipulated at membership that any EU state, or effectively the ruling EU state of Germany can dictate the population composition of others?

Even if every single Syrian on Earth came to EU they'd still be a drop in the bucket.

They'll leave the EU. That still leaves you with migrants and a trillion dollars of debt to pay. Please, do force Poland out of EU. Let's see how fast this house of cards colapses unto itself.

Considering that Eurosceptics have been saying about it for decades, since before EU actually formed, it's going to be any day now for sure.

Sack of bullshit. I am no PiS supporter (i actually dont like them, bunch of socialists). But this post is sack of bullshit.

Did you miss what happened to TVP, Constitutional Tribunal, is currently happening to courts and by PiS' admission is going to happen to private media (under the veil of "repolonization") and NGOs? New educational program includes marginalizing Wałęsa at expense of the glorious Kaczyński brothers or stuff like removing literature classics that are ideologically incorrect according to PiS and adding crap like a shitty poet writing poems about Smoleńsk and martyrdom of Lech Kaczyński. Prime minister Szydło is said to matter less than even vice-prime minister Morawiecki as per high ranking PiS sources, let alone than the god emperor Kaczyński. President Duda took a dump on the constitution by pardoning his criminal party buddy before he was legally convicted in his first week in office and then signed every piece of legislation PiS sent his way, no matter how unconstitutional it was, only recently finding his balls and spine, and just because the proposed law gave the unconstitutional powers to minister of justice and not him. Which part of what @Aliven said was sack of bullshit exactly?

[Theodarzna]

Even if every single Syrian on Earth came to EU they'd still be a drop in the bucket.

Then why not let Germany, Sweden, France ect who seem to earnestly want these people take them all in? After all, #Diversity! and as you say, its nothing, a pittance, and even if it is significant, there is surely no danger correct?

[Almaric]

How is it racism? I live in a country that was invaded by criminals from former Eastern Block countries. It's widely known and accepted that many of them are Polish.
I didn't call your entire nation thieves and criminals, but these thieves and criminals are Polish. An important distinction to make.
Well, Poland is corrupt, underdeveloped and so on... I guess criminality comes with such corruption and neglect. Meanwhile they sit there and slam their chests, acting virtous and righteous as they refuse to fullfill an obligation which they've signed themselves up for. You don't get to just eat the cherries someone else picks then complain about how you gotta pay for them.

If you want to call me out on generalizations, don't do them yourself.

Do you even read what you write? You have no clue about my country but you judge it? Where do you live that you were INVADED by criminals from Poland? First you talk about former Eastern Block but a second later only country you talk about is Poland. This is racism pure and simple.

[Theodarzna]

I find the subject really difficult to discuss on a forum because it's a much more intricate and complex matter than any short posts on a forum could describe.

Keep in mind that some of the strongest EU nations did indeed take in the lion's share of the refugees and immigrants, probably for economical reasons. The other side of the coin is that the EU is a series of contractual agreements and democratic processes. When votes are done the results are to be carried out by the nations who contractually agreed they would follow the votes in areas or domains they willingly signed over to the authority of the EU.

They basically joined a club, agreed to hand over authority in certain matters in exchange for something else. They agreed, agreed and agreed several more times that they'd do everything, only to suddenly complain when they are expected to do something they don't like - while they agreed many times over before that they would do even the things they don't like should it ever be necessary.

Now whether contractual agreements of governments should carry over to the next government is a whole different debate, but it's kinda what our entire legislation and economy is based on. The fact that (political or financial) contracts can't be broken willy nilly. Western civilization would basically crumble down to anarchy should newly elected governments no longer have to fulfill contracts and obligations signed by their predecessors.

I find that there is a curious disconnect between these EU member states that are pro-mass migration stated goals and their actions. On the one hand we have the pronouncement that "Diversity is Strength!" and "Refugees Welcome!" and "Future Doctors and Engineers" and effectively that ONLY good can come from bringing these people in. Yet a curious desire exists to unload some portion of this alleged Godsend unto countries that do not want them.

Now, indulge me for a bit. If someone is telling you how absolutely perfect something is. How intrinsically good, noble, and without down side something is, and then tries to force you to take some of that thing off their hands for them, do you trust that is a good thing they are trying to press gang you into taking? If the unlimited migrants are indeed a treasure, its a treasure Germany, Sweden and France seem eager to unload unto others in a hot minute. Who throws away treasure of such bountiful pricelessness? Unless of course its not treasure at all.

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The laws on which Germany built their case were in place before the eastern EU expansion... Also, Poland is expected to take 5000 refugees. Because that's the quota the previous government accepted. That's slightly more than 2 refugees per municipality. How the fuck is that going to reshape the demographic makeup of Poland?

I believe they have taken 5000 or more from the Ukraine. Or does it only count when they are from Somalia or Afghanistan?

The point is, if the Migrants are no danger, and are only a positive boon to whatever society is blessed with them, why not let Germany keep this wonderful bounty and reap its golden harvests? After all, "Diversity is Strength!" and if that is the case, surely nothing ill can come to Germany by bringing untold numbers from anywhere and everywhere to resettle in Germany.

If Poland does not want them, and the migrants are so Self-Evidently a treasure to be cherished by whatever society is lucky to be blessed with them, then surely Germany should thank the Immortal God Commission of the wonderful and splendid EU or whatever they pray to in Germany for this wonderful blessing and that Poland doesn't want what is apparently a priceless treasure.

[Nehezbegar]

So maybe lets get into middle ground.

Ask every "refuge" if wants to come to Poland, but say it truthfuly that:

- in Poland ppl earn like 3x less than in Gemrany or Sweeden,
- in Poland welfare is like 10x lower than in Germany or Sweeden.

What do You think, what the answer will be? If they say yes then maybe this is a truly a refugee and not a economical immigrant. But i guess the second point will be a deal breaker, since we all know they dont want to work, but to live off of welfare. I think we wont even find those 5000 volunteers that would like to come here .

[Mehrunes]

EU is just flooding each country with immigrants it cant support in order to collapse each country into needing even more EU money. At least thats what it seems like to me.

And what exactly does EU get out of member states needing its money (never mind that this money has to come from the member states in the first place)? I mean, ignoring the fact that by relocation quotas most of the refugees are assigned to Germany anyway, with the lion share of the rest being taken by countries that are net contributors. But yeah, Poland is fer sure going to collapse after taking in 5000 people.

appears so. democrats do the same thing in USA.

If you eat eurosceptic bias for breakfast, lunch and dinner everything's going to appear that way.

No one technically a refugee in this conversation as a refugee is supposed to stop at the first safe country.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/truth-about-refugees

Skip to point #4.

1. Give me one prove they create a dictatorship.
2. From what i know, PiS was elected in a democratic election. Imagine how fuckin bad the previous goverment been that ppl gave PiS the majority. This is what PiS is doing, the democracy, they have majority and they do whatever the fuck they want. Democratic law state is a contradiction. Either You have a state of law, or democracy there can't be both.

This is ignorant horseshit. Modern democracy isn't limitless. Legislation has to be made in accordance with constitution and binding international law. Everything else is already proof of dictatorship.

3. What damage they caused, can You elaborate ? The only long time damage they made is 500+ and introducing new retarded taxes, that truly fucking up the economy.

Yeah, paralyzing the Constitutional Tribunal and preventing it from actually checking the constitutionality of PiS' new legislation is fer sure no damage whatsoever.

4. The goverment of PO and PSL was a Germany puppet, Tusk did his great job and then runaway to EU. From both evils i prefer PiS because they at least give an illusion they want to care about Polish interests, where PO was openly pro German.

And this is a conspiracy theory. Not getting triggered by every single thing Germany does like is the case with PiS does not constitute being Germany's puppet.

5. From what i saw about the reform of the judiciary, it would look like in every other western country.

Then you haven't actually seen it.

6. Well from what i heard, the president vetoed the above and is preping his version of the reform, he also he demanded dimission of few ministers.

The only issue he raised with the parliamentary legislation was that it gave the proposed power to intervene into the work of courts to the minister of justice and not to the president as if there was no separation of powers issue and in turn (further) dictatorship leanings. But his version is fer sure going to be stellar

7. About the education reform, its the goverment that introduced the previous one (z gminazjami) fucked up. Those only produced more patology among the teens and didnt rise by a dime a level of education. Similar with the universities they produce huge mass of ppl not prepared for the work market.

Except not only is there no proof of any increase in pathology (there was actually a decrease) but there was a solid improvement in Polish educational performance. There's kinda a reason why most of the world used elementary school, junior high and high school model. And not only does the education reform not touch universities, universities don't even fall under the authority of ministry of education behind this reform.

11. PiS is not creating a system before 1989, if anything, PiS wants to create a system from between 1918-1939, which was also fucked up.

Except sanation sought weakening the impact of the political parties on politics and its main branch was in favor of cross-party cooperation even with their political opponents for the greater good. For PiS the party is the most important thing ever, its leader is more important than god and any other parties are traitors that need to be defeated. The similarities to PZPR are obvious.

12. And no, the communism didnt end in Poland, perhaps we gained more freedom of speech, but we still are constrained by the socialism. The previous goveremtn lied to its voters about its liberal market views and introduced more taxes and destruction to the economy.

And yet Poland under PO had one of the strongest economic growths in EU. And having socialist aspects does not make a country communist.

14. The previous goverment and EU policies are the SOLE reason for rising the nationalist movements here in Poland.

We basically fallen from soviet oriented socialists under burssels oriented socialists.

Meanwhile in the real world, the largest political group in the European Parliament is the one made of liberal conservative, conservative and Christian democratic parties. At first I was wondering why each and every one of your point was abject nonsense exhibiting utter ignorance of even the basic aspects of the concepts they touched. But then I remembered you're the JKM voter around these parts - the one who in another thread was peddling his idiotic lie that 500+ costs twice that amount in actuality, because the concept of math eludes you two - blindly parroting everything JKM says, even though JKM's understanding of the world is below that of a sea sponge.

[Mayhem]

Poland has taken in over a million refugees from Ukraine. They're just smart and aren't willing to take in people with values the complete opposite of theirs. No one should be forced to take in people they don't want, especially if they're already doing a lot for refugees.

But I guess you don't get as many SJW virtue points if the people you help aren't brown.

Repeating something that isn't true doesn't make it true.

[Mehrunes]

Yes the precedent of Angala Merkel sending in the troops to Poland to overturn a democratic government there, not a good luck but very much something I'm sure Eurocrats would love to do.

After all if there is anything the EU hates its popular sovereignty.

If that was the case, how comes member states are still sovereign and none of the EU treaties ever attempted to change it?

This cannot be said enough. If taking in these migrants is not a problem, and migrants are wonderful and bring no problems, and "DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH!" then why does Germany, France ect want to sacrifice their precious diversity on countries that do not want it?

If the Migrants are not a problem as German officials will vociferously state, why the curious desire to unload them elsewhere?

Is the concept of resources one of the multitude of concepts that elude you?

How is it racism? I live in a country that was invaded by criminals from former Eastern Block countries. It's widely known and accepted that many of them are Polish.
I didn't call your entire nation thieves and criminals, but these thieves and criminals are Polish. An important distinction to make.

Another fun disctinction to make is what you actually said was that Poland exports criminals. You know, a conscious action on Poland's part. Narrative taken straight out of Trump's textbook.

Well, Poland is corrupt, underdeveloped and so on... I guess criminality comes with such corruption and neglect. Meanwhile they sit there and slam their chests, acting virtous and righteous as they refuse to fullfill an obligation which they've signed themselves up for. You don't get to just eat the cherries someone else picks then complain about how you gotta pay for them.

Poland is a highly developed nation as per HDI (you know, the metric measuring development). And its crime rates are lower than those in Western Europe.

Wait, but I thought taking in migrants wasn't bad, it was absolutely 100% double plus good. Always good in fact. Migrants come with no problems, only upsides. Are you admitting that migrants are not just a blessing from heaven? Sounds like racist Trumpian talk.

Here I thought the promise was that by taking in untold numbers of migrants and resettling anyone who wants access to the European welfare states was nothing but good things. Yet Germany doesn't seem keen to have the "blessing" all to themselves.

What gives? Is "Diversity our Strength" or no?

You sure beat the fuck out of that straw-man. You must be proud of yourself, our safe space bubble is still safe.

Uh-oh! Watch out! You'll get infracted for nation bashing for saying something negative about a country, no matter how truthful.

Not only was your shitpost not truthful, addressing such a remark at a post that called all Poles lazy (which is a narrative straight from Hitler's textbook instead of Trump's) is just laughable. Good job abandoning whatever remained of your self-awareness in favor of victim complex.

Also the Polish voters decided no to the migrants, why should they have to endure something they don't want? After all Poland is a sovereign country, it is not as if the EU is a Country after all.

Except at the time Poland took that obligation, most of the Polish voters were in favor of taking in migrants. But who'd expect you of knowing what the hell you're talking about. This only changed after 2 years of PiS' rule and their anti-refugee narrative about how they are all terrorists (when not only are the majority of them not terrorists, almost all terrorists since refugee crisis happened were not related to it at all) or lovely stuff about them carrying unknown plagues, which they got from Mein Kampf.

And despite two years of all of that, it's still a near half split even now. And even the catholic church, otherwise heavily in favor of PiS' government, is on the side in favor of taking them and is pressuring the government to fulfill its obligations. As for sovereignty, it does not equal a carte blanche for not fulfilling your obligations. It never did and never will. Even if PO government took that obligation against popular support (which, again, was not the case).

[Mehrunes]

Poland has taken in over a million refugees from Ukraine. They're just smart and aren't willing to take in people with values the complete opposite of theirs. No one should be forced to take in people they don't want, especially if they're already doing a lot for refugees.

But I guess you don't get as many SJW virtue points if the people you help aren't brown.

"Over a million" is a weird way to write 37.

Then why not let Germany, Sweden, France ect who seem to earnestly want these people take them all in? After all, #Diversity! and as you say, its nothing, a pittance, and even if it is significant, there is surely no danger correct?

Because a drop in the bucket (hypothetical in this case, but still) across the entire EU has to be a drop in the bucked for one or a few countries. You're so fucking hopeless. And that's before one considers the part where the concepts of finite resources still eludes you by some mysterious happenstance. Finally, good job ignoring my earlier post about how Poland already agreed to take their quota, like the antithesis of intellectual honesty that you are.

I believe they have taken 5000 or more from the Ukraine. Or does it only count when they are from Somalia or Afghanistan?

And in this case, good job ignoring just one paragraph earlier from the very same post. 37 refugees from Ukraine is not 5000, 500000, a million or whatever other bullshit number you pull out of your ass to support your fantasies. And it doesn't matter where they're from. Poland taking refugees from other places does not negate their obligation to take that specific 5000.

The point is, if the Migrants are no danger, and are only a positive boon to whatever society is blessed with them, why not let Germany keep this wonderful bounty and reap its golden harvests? After all, "Diversity is Strength!" and if that is the case, surely nothing ill can come to Germany by bringing untold numbers from anywhere and everywhere to resettle in Germany.

Because Germany being unable to handle that amount on its own is the very thing that started the relocation quota business and your continual attempt at playing dumb by ignoring this piece of information that's inconvenient to the narrative you're trying to weave doesn't magically unmake it.

If Poland does not want them, and the migrants are so Self-Evidently a treasure to be cherished by whatever society is lucky to be blessed with them, then surely Germany should thank the Immortal God Commission of the wonderful and splendid EU or whatever they pray to in Germany for this wonderful blessing and that Poland doesn't want what is apparently a priceless treasure.

First of all, glorious straw-man you built there. Secondly, Poland still accepted these refugees and your mental gymnastics can't change past events.

[DJ117]

EU lost its purpose when it started insisting on how people (and countries) should act like a typical leftist would do. Dismantle that shit.