If Europe was ever to unite...

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that council elects the EU officials not the EU people

it would be like taking away the power to vote for president from the citizens in the USA and giving it to congress

and who makes the council? The Elected EU parliament. The other part of the EU is the commission and that is chosen by the elected heads of state of each member country , elected (though 'elected' is a strong term for non-PR countries like the UK) by the people of their country. Are you wilfully trolling or just plain stupid - your example is akin to asking for direct election of every civil servant in your own country. You elect your government, they choose their staff.

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Down with national sovereignty! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

Isn't the US a federation of states? I presume you therefore think that is also a loss of sovereignty for individual states? You better be campaigning for the independence of your own (US) state otherwise you are just an extreme hypocrite.

[Slant]

your vote has no power over other elected officials only your own countries that makes up a minority

MEPs are directly elected by EU citizens. I have told you this before. Stop repeating wrong shit.

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So yeah dark times for us, but I hope the rest of Europe can at least prosper while the UK tries to unfuck itself in the next few decades.

The door's always open for you guys. Figure your stuff out and come back later, it's no big deal.

[caervek]

no I think the other would be an actual democratic process. Here in the netherlands we have a majority to leave - but nothing happens - for 12 years now.

Stick at it bud, in the UK we never wanted to join and it took us 23 years to get a referendum on it, but we got there in the end.

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MEPs are directly elected by EU citizens. I have told you this before. Stop repeating wrong shit.

What he said is correct, I.E people in France can't vote on Spanish MEPs (obviously).

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So exceptional they still can't form a front or consensus on how they want to exit. This whole brexit debacle is going to be fun to watch.

With glee, I frantically agree with anything a Brexit supporter says. Readig about it in British news, there is no need to "win" any arguments.

[Slant]

What he said is correct, I.E people in France can't vote on Spanish MEPs (obviously).

Hum... but they still vote MEPs. Since those national groups regroup according to political stream in the EUP, I don't think it's that different from regular federal elections. I never vote for candidates from another state, yet I vote for our national parliament all the same. How's that different? For that matter, neither do you, Caervek. Judging from the last election in the UK that I actually followed. You vote for local candidates as well.

[Mayhem]

Hum... but they still vote MEPs. Since those national groups regroup according to political stream in the EUP, I don't think it's that different from regular federal elections. I never vote for candidates from another state, yet I vote for our national parliament all the same. How's that different? For that matter, neither do you, Caervek. Judging from the last election in the UK that I actually followed. You vote for local candidates as well.

Even worse, if he's in a district where the candidate of another party wins his vote is worth zero.

[Vash The Stampede]

If Europe were to ever unite then America would be fucked, and that's a good thing. As an American we need something massive like Europe to also play the field who isn't closed off to the world like China. Cause right now we're the beacon of capitalism, but Europe would be the beacon of Socialism. But that can be said even with the middle east. If they were to unite then balance of power shifts. Germany before it was united was nothing, but after they united we had WW1. There's power in numbers.

[McTroll]

All this progress and you are still on the same level as retarded chimpanzee.

There was no need to be racist there!

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

I used to be very pro EU, but seeing how badly the central government has behaved, the volatile Euro currency, the evil savagery of Germany, and the utter incompetence of the federalists has really been an eye opener.

The U.S. is marginally better, but the restrictions of the republic and the general anti government mentality really becomes advantageous when you realize it is meant to prevent exactly what the EU is becoming.

You can argue how bad America is all day long, but at the end of the day the EU will become America 2.0 if you don't figure out how to keep it in check. I'm really vexxed because the looming threat of Russia, China and the instability of middle east immigration shows the demand and necessity for a continental army but the idea of fighting alongside germans is tantamount to marrying your rapist...so I really loathe the idea.

I think the EU should kick germany out or sell the country off to Russia as it's justifiably theirs anyways. Then we can talk about a european republic and a standing European army.

LOL i guess I really just don't trust germany, as a people they are fine but as a country they are just downright awful and one of the true cancers of the world.

[Slant]

If Europe were to ever unite then America would be fucked, and that's a good thing. As an American we need something massive like Europe to also play the field who isn't closed off to the world like China. Cause right now we're the beacon of capitalism, but Europe would be the beacon of Socialism. But that can be said even with the middle east. If they were to unite then balance of power shifts. Germany before it was united was nothing, but after they united we had WW1. There's power in numbers.

America wouldn't be fucked. Quite the opposite. America would have a trusted partner. As they have now.

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I used to be very pro EU, but seeing how badly the central government has behaved, the volatile Euro currency, the evil savagery of Germany, and the utter incompetence of the federalists has really been an eye opener.

The U.S. is marginally better, but the restrictions of the republic and the general anti government mentality really becomes advantageous when you realize it is meant to prevent exactly what the EU is becoming.

You can argue how bad America is all day long, but at the end of the day the EU will become America 2.0 if you don't figure out how to keep it in check. I'm really vexxed because the looming threat of Russia, China and the instability of middle east immigration shows the demand and necessity for a continental army but the idea of fighting alongside germans is tantamount to marrying your rapist...so I really loathe the idea.

I think the EU should kick germany out or sell the country off to Russia as it's justifiably theirs anyways. Then we can talk about a european republic and a standing European army.

LOL i guess I really just don't trust germany, as a people they are fine but as a country they are just downright awful and one of the true cancers of the world.

You're a liar, too. You've never been pro EU. That much is obvious from your post.

[Wikiy]

Down with national sovereignty! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

One would think Americans would appreciate states wanting to form a federation.

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America wouldn't be fucked. Quite the opposite. America would have a trusted partner. As they have now.

America would also have a partner to remind them of what America's own ideals and interests are (something they seem to have forgotten).

[Vash The Stampede]

America wouldn't be fucked. Quite the opposite. America would have a trusted partner. As they have now.

America would have competition, and that would be a problem cause nobody likes to compete. If Europe was Americas friend then we bought Europe out. That would be very bad.

Also for those against the whole EU thing, look at Texas and Florida. If these were countries they would have massive issues, but because they are part of the United States they get support from other states. Something that Europe could be doing as well.

[Wikiy]

Also for those against the whole EU thing, look at Texas and Florida. If these were countries they would have massive issues, but because they are part of the United States they get support from other states. Something that Europe could be doing as well.

Yes, but this is only a sound argument under the assumption that anyone but Texans and Floridians cares about Texas and Florida. And they do, because you've built the American identity for yourselves. In Europe, however, things aren't that simple. Half of all Dutch or Danes or Britons don't give a flying fuck about Greeks or Poles. The other half do, but you kinda need a significant majority.

[Slant]

America would have competition, and that would be a problem cause nobody likes to compete. If Europe was Americas friend then we bought Europe out. That would be very bad.

Also for those against the whole EU thing, look at Texas and Florida. If these were countries they would have massive issues, but because they are part of the United States they get support from other states. Something that Europe could be doing as well.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. The US doesn't have the money to "buy Europe out". The EU already is on equal footing in terms of GDP.

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America would have competition, and that would be a problem cause nobody likes to compete. If Europe was Americas friend then we bought Europe out. That would be very bad.

Also for those against the whole EU thing, look at Texas and Florida. If these were countries they would have massive issues, but because they are part of the United States they get support from other states. Something that Europe could be doing as well.

The problem is social cultural and economic differenc es. The ither states dont mind oicking up the slack of t he slacker states, here in europe however those damn italians need to stop eating spaghettio and get to damn work! At the same time pension in some southern countries start at the late 50s, while the northern countries are around the late 60s.

Explain how people meed to work 10 years lomger while getting paid from the same fund

[Mayhem]

Yes, but this is only a sound argument under the assumption that anyone but Texans and Floridians cares about Texas and Florida. And they do, because you've built the American identity for yourselves. In Europe, however, things aren't that simple. Half of all Dutch or Danes or Britons don't give a flying fuck about Greeks or Poles. The other half do, but you kinda need a significant majority.

It takes time, but we're getting there.

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The problem is social cultural and economic differenc es. The ither states dont mind oicking up the slack of t he slacker states, here in europe however those damn italians need to stop eating spaghettio and get to damn work! At the same time pension in some southern countries start at the late 50s, while the northern countries are around the late 60s.

Explain how people meed to work 10 years lomger while getting paid from the same fund

What are you talking about? The retirement age is 65 in italy as well and they are even talking about raising it to 70 within the next 10 years. Also what do you mean by "people need to work 10 years longer while getting paid from the same fund"?

[Wikiy]

The ither states dont mind oicking up the slack of t he slacker states, here in europe however those damn italians need to stop eating spaghettio and get to damn work!

You're deluding yourself if you think Northern/Western Europeans are more hard-working. Specifically, you're being exceptionally hypocritical as a Dutch person saying this. I'm not saying you yourself are lazy, but if one is to believe the data in that article, the Dutch are by far the laziest Europeans (~30 hours of work a week per employed person on average, versus 35-40 for most other countries).

[Iphie]

You're deluding yourself if you think Northern/Western Europeans are more hard-working. Specifically, you're being exceptionally hypocritical as a Dutch person saying this. I'm not saying you yourself are lazy, but if one is to believe the data in that article, the Dutch are by far the laziest Europeans (~30 hours of work a week per employed person on average, versus 35-40 for most other countries).

This is kinda misleading, from your own link it shows us Dutch people may be working the least, but we still have the highest productivity. Meaning we are much more efficient with or time.

Note that I don't agree with Gombado who seems to have made it their life's work, at least in this thread, to bash the EU as much as possible.

[ParanoiD84]

We would begin a new age of conquest like the world have not seen in a thousand years of course.

[Phlegethon]

...do you think it would be the most important player in the global market? Or maybe Europe can overcome US and China as a military hegemon. How would the world look like if EU was a one country?

I look forward to hear your oppinions.

It already is the most important player in the global market. Now about your warmachine. I would prefer it not come down to that, butgiven the warmongers in the US, that might yet be the case...
I don't think it will ever become one country though, it'll probably be a more unified version of what it is now. Except for the UK, we don't need the UK.