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I'm not talking about the free boost, obv everyone got that and something that is free can never be PTW, hence the "P".
But say, two new players start at the same time. They're going to level to cap (perhaps race there) and then, one of them with more money than the other, buys the PTW boost and is suddenly ONE HUNDRED levels ahead of the other. You see it? lmao
PTW ≠ only BiS eq.
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Correct, WOW is already PTW, gz for understanding it now.
And no, the free boost doesnt apply, since it was free and everyone got it (technically not free, but you understand what I mean. Hopefully).
Yeah funny that you post this, I'm sure you believe everything that's posted in MSM too right?
I already donate blood due to my "rare" type. I already buy and donate food to food banks. I already buy and donate food and toys to pet shelters. I will not buy this. It offends me that people refuse to look after others.
You pay for it as part of buying the expansion. It is not given to you with out a cost.
An arbitrary contest set up by the individuals and not the game. They said can be true for one person that uses RAF and two accounts to gain leveling advantages. But your example is flawed because both new players have a boost provided to them for buying Legion.But say, two new players start at the same time. They're going to level to cap (perhaps race there) and then, one of them with more money than the other, buys the PTW boost and is suddenly ONE HUNDRED levels ahead of the other. You see it? lmao
So if WoW is already pay to win why are you complaining that pets make it pay to win? It can't become something it already is. Your argument was that WoW is text book pay to win because they sell level boosts. Why wouldn't you start with WoW is pay to win because of all the other reasons? Because you weren't making that argument until I pointed out how it invalidates your first attempt.Correct, WOW is already PTW, gz for understanding it now. And no, the free boost doesnt apply, since it was free and everyone got it (technically not free, but you understand what I mean. Hopefully).
It wasn't free though. You have to pay to get the boost. It is just bundled with the new expansion. That isn't free and when you have to add technically it shows that even you don't think it is free. It just doesn't support any of your arguments (like two new players who both have boosts).
Main stream media? What does that have to do with Blizzard making a legal statement as part of their sale? All of their charity pets have had that legally binding statement as part of the sale. Why are you so adverse to admitting your wrong you have to deflect to the catch all excuse of main stream media. The fact that they may lie doesn't change that you made a false claim after telling someone not to make false claims.Yeah funny that you post this, I'm sure you believe everything that's posted in MSM too right?
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well at least 100% is going to the charity.... unlike other charity micro-transactions *cough*Shadow of war*cough*
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1. Goes for the included in WOD boost yes. That one is not to be considered PTW, i'm talking about the fact that you can buy as many as you want after that.
2. Not true. The fact is that lvling was and is still a huge part of WOW. Gaining 100 lvls is such an absurd advantage, I don't really see how you can try to deny it.
3. I'm saying it is PTW and has been for quite some time, which is a correct statement. The only thing happening is that it is becoming even worse.
4. You believe in lies, I don't.
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You'll realize i'm right when you sober up.
if you buy legion, you get a free level 100 boost that puts you at the same starting line, level wise, as people about to start legion. I fail to see the issue with that when WoW is much more focused about current content/expansion than any other games. Yes, real money can influence character progression here, but it is affecting a dated and insignificant portion of it.
You believe leveling is a huge part of wow so skipping it is a big advantage when it really isn't. Outside of getting carries (which you can do through guild or currencies), gearing up to current content level is much more tedious than going from 1-100, especially on veteran accounts with heirloom available.
If you're arguing that you're "paying to win" for alts to get a level advantage for splits or whatever, then that just feels like a small problem for a very niche of the population.
In the end, i feel like the "win" defined by your "p2w" here, is not really remotely closely to winning at all. Yes, there is advantage gained, but a very insignificant one.
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So it is only Pay to Win when you buy it stand alone. Okay what if Blizzard sold boosts with other things. It can't be pay to win then for the same reason why you are not calling the expansions with boosts pay to win. There is a flaw in your argument and I hope you can see it. Either it is pay to win or it isn't.
Gaining 100 levels for alts is not a huge advantage. It saves time and is a convenience. But you also lose out on things from boosting that you would normally gain while leveling. It has its pros and cons.2. Not true. The fact is that lvling was and is still a huge part of WOW. Gaining 100 lvls is such an absurd advantage, I don't really see how you can try to deny it.
But it isn't becoming even worse because pets have been sold for quite some time. And if it has been pay to win for some time then there is little point complaining about pets being sold. Yet here you are. Complaining that a game is pay to win when by your own admission it is already pay to win. Talk about useless complaining at its finest.3. I'm saying it is PTW and has been for quite some time, which is a correct statement. The only thing happening is that it is becoming even worse.
So you believe that 40% of the sales go to Blizzard? You don't believe in their legally binding statement that they are giving 100% of sales to charity? Why don't you sue them then and tell us how that goes. Clearly you believe you have a winning case because both Blizzard and I are lying. It is amusing when people devolve into idiocy just so they don't have to admit they were wrong.4. You believe in lies, I don't.
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If an included boost isn't pay to win then an individual boost is not pay to win. They are the exact same boost and both have a monetary cost to obtain.
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dont do pet collecting
I know you're talking about the additional purchase, but that's exactly my point.
Everyone are on the same starting line with a free boost. All the ones you purchase afterwards are for your alts. The leveling process is boring but actually very fast, especially for veteran accounts with heirloom. You are gaining a marginal advantage through a level boost. And I think you are way overemphasizing the effect of that having on a race that's arbitrarily defined by you. You'd have a much stronger argument if you just said you can buy mythic gear through token and gold because getting current content Mythic gear is much harder than leveling from 1-100.
I mean I don't necessarily trust The Red Cross but the pet is cute and if even a little of my 10 euro goes to charity I am fine with that.
I feel like the donation thing is just icing on the cake.
If you buy this pet it's because you like the pet. Considering the history of Red Cross I'm sure if your really want to donate 10 dollars to hurricane relief there are more reliable channels to do so.
And expansion is a good thing, and while I don't like the idea of the boost at all and wouldnt have wanted it as a part of the expansion nor as a ptw option, it cannot be compared.
Same thing if you get a mount while buying an expansion. That's a nice thing, when you can buy them from store, that's not. Get it yet?
I don't believe anything Blizzard say, legal or not.
So pay to win is nice when it is bundled with an expansion. Pay to win is not nice when it is not part of a bundle. You keep arguing about pay to win when you've just stated it isn't about that at all. If it is pay to win when sold alone it is pay to win when bundled with an expansion. You just stated you have no problem with pay to win just about the amount of stuff you pay for.
Then don't call others liars or imply they are idiots for believing something you won't. Again if you honestly believe they are lying about 100% sales going to charity then sue them. If they are lying about that take them to court. Don't bring your tinfoil hat crap here if you aren't willing to back up what you are claiming is an open and shut case.I don't believe anything Blizzard say, legal or not.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
If you pass up the chance to have a little Fennec Fox following you around (and sitting in your lap when you /sit on it) then you are a monster.
Nothing about this company makes you happy, does it. Why are you still here?
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing...tvi/financials
Maybe folks would prefer facts to rumors.
They should do charity mounts. I'm sure alot more people would be interested then.