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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    He knows that for rabbits to reproduce and grow you need to feed them right? Though he might be demented enough to think he can generate mass from nothing, that's his entire plan for the economy after all.
    You feed rabbits with grass. I imagine there is plenty of grass in Venezuela.

    Where I came from almost everybody living in village has a rabbits or other small animals. It costs almost nothing if you have a garden, taking care of it doesn't take much time and you save a lot of money on meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post
    Well, I think the idea behind capitalism is you would naturally have a more robust private sector that could help hold up your economy if a given factor within it wobbles or gives entirely. There is more natural growth and opportunity for new industry.

    Not that capitalism is perfect. The government still needs to act as a mediator and security net of sorts to drive investment and furthermore, keep the "game" fair so to speak. Otherwise it becomes the "wild west" and while amazing things can still come from that, you can also end up with horrific end results. I've always been a fan of striking a balance myself.

    Socialism, is more questionable in this regard. Socialized programs aren't necessarily doomed to failure. I think that primarily depends on who designs the programs. Either you're looking at them critically and building them for success or you're not, the latter we suffer a great deal here in the States as they're less about doing right by the people and more about garnering votes. Basically half-assed measures. An out and outright socialist government however is a bit of a different beast and I'm positive there's not too many of them functioning within the western world.

    Say what you want but I don't exactly view Germany as socialist. Does it have socialized programs? Yes. Is it out and outright socialist though? No. More like a capitalist-based society with a strong government counter-weight and installed social programs piggy-backing off of the success of their market.
    A country would still need to attract and stimulate other businesses for them to grow in a capitalist structure, that's why i am of opinion it really would not have mattered all that much since the government was for a long time happy with the revenue it generated from the oil industry, since their attitude would not change based on their political view, if they went "it's fine" in a socialist view we have to assume they would do the same in a capitalist one. What indicates they did not want to invest in anything what is a requirement for capitalism to actually work well.

    All nations in Europe are mixed, actually the US is mixed also there merely is still some taboo around the word socialism there. In Europe we speak more of a socialist government if the socialists are in power or a majority of socialists are in power, right now a good example of that is Portugal, who is climbing out of the crisis after a more right leaning government could not provide an answer for their own people or even satisfy the EU watchdog regarding their budget and deficit. Now they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanablossom View Post
    Rabbit actually tastes quite good.
    Too little juicy meat for my taste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mittens View Post
    Nonsense. Pre-socialism venezuela depended less on oil that venezuela during chavez. And other oil rich nations are nowhere near the in the same situation.

    Also, Venezuela's problems date back before the prices of oil plummeted. This is from 2013 when the prices of oil were above 100$.

    I did point out corruption. Pointed out nationalizing of companies and creating an unfavorable climate for others. I also did not say that Venezuela was fine before Chavez, i merely pointed out why it has gotten this bad and oil prices is directly related to the steep decline but yes there was a decline happening even before the socialist regime took over.

    Perhaps i should have been more detailed in literally saying the current crisis, but i went out that would be assumed and we are not dissecting a nation issues going back 10 years till now.

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    Possibly? Depends on how big their rabbits can get (while not being abuse), otherwise it takes quite a few rabbits to feed just 1 adult. Luckily they breed fast. Need large facilities and a lot of food for them as well though...

    And that's not taking in mind the rampant animal abuse that can, and have, occurred at such large small-animal farms...

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeilon View Post
    Too little juicy meat for my taste.
    Beggers can't be choosers.

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    Considering too much consumption of rabbit leads to protein poisoning because of how lean it is, i dont think its a good long term solution.

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    It is funny that most of the left wing parties in Brazil had supported Chave and Maduro officially and the support has suddenly disappeared from their websites.

    It is sad to see another nation falling into a communist dictatorship at the cost of loads of human lives, but it is sadder to see so much support from people online who live comfortably in a first world capitalist country.

    OT: possibly an improvement, but won't solve their problems. I remember a few months ago seeing that houses who had a yard were planting food in those.
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    I mean if they eat rabbit meat exclusively they are gonna be malnourished but I guess its better than not eating at all.

    Gotta do what you gotta do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Hellscream View Post
    I mean if they eat rabbit meat exclusively they are gonna be malnourished but I guess its better than not eating at all.

    Gotta do what you gotta do.
    God forbid they go back to a functional capitalist democracy and explore the fact that they are the biggest reserve of oil in the world.
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    I'm sure that people have already been trying to grow their own crops. Problem is that if they don;t get stolen by neighbours they get stolen by gangs or even the military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Arthur Dayne View Post
    When u stifle trade u hurt nation not rich people in charge. Every time u sanction a poor country u pretend u haven't learned..

    But why should i expect reason n compassion from the country that starved iraq half a million kids?
    Because it's nowhere near that cut and dry and simple, and because you sound ignorant and uneducated maybe?

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    They should raise chickens, too. Not just rabbits. More bang for your buck.

    I grew up on a farm, and we had 12 laying hens. They could easily produce 12 eggs a day when unstressed, and have a proper coop. They grow pretty fast, too. If they're free range... that's even better. They keep all kinds of bugs away. I think my mom has 8-14 dozen eggs in the fridge right now. She gives them away to family members and people at her work.

    I can't even eat store bought eggs anymore. They taste so different. I drive out to a local farm and buy them :/ One of the downsides to living so far away from home...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mittens View Post
    I see we are into no true socialism again, a shame I liked the "socialism is when the government does stuff and the more stuff it does the more socialist it is.
    I did not get into "true socialism" just that corrupt governments are corrupt governments despite what they are called.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    I just find it odd that their government has systemically destroyed their once-modern economy and their solution is "keep rabbits and grow vegetables so you don't starve to death". Seems like a major step backwards to me, but then again, I don't know what the goals of revolutionary Bolivarian socialism are.
    Why? During World War II governments encourage planting of gardens to ease the strain on public/food resources. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_garden

    Having your population grown their own food is not a step backwards. It is something that we never should have abandoned as it really does help in many ways. Healthier food, higher disposable income, less strain during tough times etc. My cousin and his wife save a lot of money every summer on groceries by growing their own stuff. They even built a small green house out of old windows/doors to start seedlings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Why? During World War II governments encourage planting of gardens to ease the strain on public/food resources. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_garden

    Having your population grown their own food is not a step backwards. It is something that we never should have abandoned as it really does help in many ways. Healthier food, higher disposable income, less strain during tough times etc. My cousin and his wife save a lot of money every summer on groceries by growing their own stuff. They even built a small green house out of old windows/doors to start seedlings.
    Let's see, I make around 35 bucks per hour (local currency) after taxes, with this amount of money I can buy enough supplies (food and hygiene included) to keep me and my wife alive for 6 days (government official statistics)... So sure, I could spent 1 hour or so per day taking care of a small garden (to have only food)... or I can work 5 extra hours and get it from the grocery store.

    There is a reason why people stopped doing that and just do this in extreme cases of shortages, such as war or communism.

    In conclusion, having people with high skill degrees planting their own crops is stupid beyond limits.
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    Soooo... is this about the rabbit plan, or yet another thread about "evul socialism luls"...?

    Rabbits breed quickly, they grow quickly, they can eat stuff humans wouldn't eat such as grass and weeds. They taste good and the innards of the animal can also be used by less picky eaters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knolan View Post
    In conclusion, having people with high skill degrees planting their own crops is stupid beyond limits.
    Poor stupid people are not the only ones to benefit from a garden. Gardening also doesn't require 1 hour a day to take care of once it is set up. You can water twice a day for a few mins then occasional weeding/pruning and you'll grow lots of crops. In think though your view is exactly why it has fallen out of favor. People think because they have money and a high skill degree it is beneath them.

    You can't think of anything else you could spend that money on? Another fancy cocktail? Brand new jeans because you can't wear the same pair twice?
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    When I was a kid it was quite common to eat Rabbit, never see it these days though really. It tastes great btw.
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    What did the US do to them?
    Venezuela was going down the tubes well before Trump.

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