Can rabbit meat save Venezuela from going hungry?

[Whiteboard]

What did the US do to them?
Venezuela was going down the tubes well before Trump.

Sanctions happened preventing business with the US from happening with the venezuelan president and his oil baron pals after systemic corruption and human rights violations were discovered. The sanctions are set to go away if they stop, or are fired. Nobody's been fired.

[Dys]

Let's see, I make around 35 bucks per hour (local currency) after taxes, with this amount of money I can buy enough supplies (food and hygiene included) to keep me and my wife alive for 6 days (government official statistics)... So sure, I could spent 1 hour or so per day taking care of a small garden (to have only food)... or I can work 5 extra hours and get it from the grocery store.

There is a reason why people stopped doing that and just do this in extreme cases of shortages, such as war or communism.

In conclusion, having people with high skill degrees planting their own crops is stupid beyond limits.

Imagine basing your survival tactics on the degree you hold, and being all backwards about it.

Someone's gonna die within 1-8 days whenever the shit hits the fan, probably while out scavenging for food.

[Knolan]

Poor stupid people are not the only ones to benefit from a garden. Gardening also doesn't require 1 hour a day to take care of once it is set up. You can water twice a day for a few mins then occasional weeding/pruning and you'll grow lots of crops. In think though your view is exactly why it has fallen out of favor. People think because they have money and a high skill degree it is beneath them.

You can't think of anything else you could spend that money on? Another fancy cocktail? Brand new jeans because you can't wear the same pair twice?

It is not "beneath me", you are missing the point here...

This isn't about an individual, it is about society. This plan is not to deal with a particular person, it is about the whole country and it is bound to fail because it would just be more productive to me and to the society that I would work on the field I have been trained to.

In case you haven't noticed, working does not just generate money for me, it advances the country's capacity as well as its resources.

Imagine basing your survival tactics on the degree you hold, and being all backwards about it.

Someone's gonna die within 1-8 days whenever the shit hits the fan, probably while out scavenging for food.

This is not a post apocalyptic future we are talking about, it is a country. The once richest country in South America.

As I mentioned before, this plan is not about the survival of a couple of individuals, is a plan for the whole country, and it will not work for the said reasons. Even if it does work in not letting everyone die from starvation it will throw the country into a medieval village.

[Maybach]

I wonder if Maduro eats rabbit...............

This whole rabbit idea kind of reminds me of someone who once said "let them eat cake!"

[rhorle]

This isn't about an individual, it is about society. This plan is not to deal with a particular person, it is about the whole country and it is bound to fail because it is just more productive to me and the society that I work on the field I have been trained to do. In case you haven't noticed, working does not just generate money for me, it advances the country's capacity as well as its resources.

Feeding yourself is less productive then working in the field related to your degree? Providing some food for yourself and family puts less strain on public resources and the supply chain. Which in turn helps them provide to everyone. It is a cycle that only a little work can lead to a big impact. If it is more productive to work towards a degree then it wouldn't be a useful feature during war and other country wide struggles.

Because you want productivity to where it is the highest and most effective. Either way your argument is flawed because you admitted in times of war it is a good idea. If it is good when you want the most productive and efficient things for society and country then it is still productive when everything is fine. Don't confuse less productive with "I can afford it so it isn't important".

[Knolan]

Feeding yourself is less productive then working in the field related to your degree? Providing some food for yourself and family puts less strain on public resources and the supply chain. Which in turn helps them provide to everyone. It is a cycle that only a little work can lead to a big impact. If it is more productive to work towards a degree then it wouldn't be a useful feature during war and other country wide struggles.

Because you want productivity to where it is the highest and most effective. Either way your argument is flawed because you admitted in times of war it is a good idea. If it is good when you want the most productive and efficient things for society and country then it is still productive when everything is fine. Don't confuse less productive with "I can afford it so it isn't important".

Holy shit, that was really disingenuous... in times of war not only would people like me be fighting in the front lines, but also we would be able to trust that the fields wouldn't be destroyed in combat or that things like roads and infra structure would be reliable... Not to mention looting, rebels, etc.

They don't do it because it is productive nor because it is efficient, they do it because they are desperate. "Normal" countries stopped doing so because it is not productive, got it?

[rhorle]

Holy shit, that was really disingenuous... in times of war not only would people like me be fighting in the front lines, but also we would be able to trust that the fields wouldn't be destroyed in combat or that things like roads and infra structure would be reliable... Not to mention looting, rebels, etc.

So then the degree isn't relevant to productivity. They ignore it for war, so why not for food? Fields, and a garden, are two completely different things. I feel like you think growing a garden is the same thing as farming 3 acres of land.

They don't do it because it is productive nor because it is efficient, they do it because they are desperate. "Normal" countries stopped doing so because it is not productive, got it?

It is productive to grow your own food. Saves trips to the store, gets you organic, saves money, saves gas, is better for local pollinators, fresher food etc. In-season crops on demand. At least you aren't trying to tie education to it and are just going with productivity now.

[Deleted]

I did not get into "true socialism" just that corrupt governments are corrupt governments despite what they are called.

It happens with socialist governments all the time without exception. Can we then draw the conclusion that socialism attracts exlusively corrupt people?

[Knolan]

So then the degree isn't relevant to productivity. They ignore it for war, so why not for food? Fields, and a garden, are two completely different things. I feel like you think growing a garden is the same thing as farming 3 acres of land.



It is productive to grow your own food. Saves trips to the store, gets you organic, saves money, saves gas, is better for local pollinators, fresher food etc. In-season crops on demand. At least you aren't trying to tie education to it and are just going with productivity now.

Seriously, I will just assume that you are trolling... This is as simple as I can explain:

People work to create goods or provide services, both produce money.
If you spend 1 hour doing a job that pays 10 bucks when you could spend 1 hour doing a job that pays 30 bucks, you are LOSING 20 bucks.
Having your high skilled people working on low skilled job is a waste of money.
If you want everyone on your society working on the low skill jobs just to survive you will break your economy pretty badly (not to mention space and lack of tools).
And, before you point to war again, look at the countries GDP during and after a war and you will see what happened when they left those basic rules.

I can't explain any more simply than that, if you can't understand why this is a bad idea now and how this would hit the country economy there is not much else I can do about it.

[rhorle]

People work to create goods or provide services, both produce money.
If you spend 1 hour doing a job that pays 10 bucks when you could spend 1 hour doing a job that pays 30 bucks, you are LOSING 20 bucks.
Having your high skilled people working on low skilled job is a waste of money.
If you want everyone on your society working on the low skill jobs just to survive you will break your economy pretty badly (not to mention space and lack of tools).
And, before you point to war again, look at the countries GDP during and after a war and you will see what happened when they left those basic rules.

Growing a garden at your home does not stop you from working at your job. It is laughable that you honestly believe having people grow a vegetable garden in their back yard would cause the collapse of society and economy. Growing a garden to help sustain your family and ease pressure on the food supply of the society is not the same thing as becoming a full time farmer.

You call me a troll but can't understand the difference between being a farmer and having a garden in your back yard. The economies of countries before and after war was not impacted by people growing vegetables to help avoid rationing limits for themselves and their community.

[Csnyder]

You are clearly a fucking moron.

[HumbleDuck]

It happens with socialist governments all the time without exception. Can we then draw the conclusion that socialism attracts exlusively corrupt people?

No you can't, as the two statements are not biconditional.

[Malacrass]

Rabbits may breed fast and taste great, but there isn't exactly much meat on the bones. Especially compared to the average industrial chicken - bred for generations to yield high amounts of muscle meat.

[Xandrigity]

Waskily wabbit meat!

[Knolan]

Growing a garden at your home does not stop you from working at your job. It is laughable that you honestly believe having people grow a vegetable garden in their back yard would cause the collapse of society and economy. Growing a garden to help sustain your family and ease pressure on the food supply of the society is not the same thing as becoming a full time farmer.

You call me a troll but can't understand the difference between being a farmer and having a garden in your back yard. The economies of countries before and after war was not impacted by people growing vegetables to help avoid rationing limits for themselves and their community.

Your argument was, and I quote:

Having your population grown their own food is not a step backwards.

What I am explaining to you is:
yes it is.

The reason, as I stated several times, is that you will reduce the stimulus to more productive (and here I mean money producing) work and will move from a modern economy to a medieval one.

And again, the point here is that people are being force to do it or starve. This is the sign of an economy that is far beyond sick. It may surprise you that Venezuela is not at war and their choices are not only plant to try to survive or die, they could also simply go back to a modern economy and voila, problem is gone.

[Stormspellz]

It wasn't the real socialism, the real socialism will be a utopia, where we won't eat meat and we can marry rabbits if think we are a rabbit.

calling socialism a failure because of Venezuela is like saying capitalism is failure because of 08 crash

[rhorle]

Your argument was, and I quote:

Having your population grown their own food is not a step backwards.

What I am explaining to you is:
yes it is.

So having a vegetable garden in my back yard to grow my own food while still working my full time job is a step backwards? The only ones that lose by me having a garden is the grocery store who will not get as much of business because I am sourcing produce myself. Again you are the one who honestly believes having a vegetable garden in your back yard will cause the collapse of the economy and society.

The problem will not be gone because it will take a while for the food supply to recover. Getting it ingrained in the culture that you can grown a lot of your food consumption in your back yard is not a bad thing for their economy and will allow it to recover or fail based on other factors. The people just might not be as hungry while all that happens.

Again, to repeat the stupidity of the argument, you are claiming that growing a garden in your back yard will cause the economy to collapse when done by a large segment of the population. And I'm the one accused of being a troll. Another concept you don't understand it seems.

[Viconia]

When socialism fails, rabbits will save you.

[Knolan]

So having a vegetable garden in my back yard to grow my own food while still working my full time job is a step backwards? The only ones that lose by me having a garden is the grocery store who will not get as much of business because I am sourcing produce myself. Again you are the one who honestly believes having a vegetable garden in your back yard will cause the collapse of the economy and society.

The problem will not be gone because it will take a while for the food supply to recover. Getting it ingrained in the culture that you can grown a lot of your food consumption in your back yard is not a bad thing for their economy and will allow it to recover or fail based on other factors. The people just might not be as hungry while all that happens.

Again, to repeat the stupidity of the argument, you are claiming that growing a garden in your back yard will cause the economy to collapse when done by a large segment of the population. And I'm the one accused of being a troll. Another concept you don't understand it seems.

Ok, please point me where you disagree or do not understand:

1) Those rules does not apply to a single person, but to the whole of the society.
2) Farmers can produce food at a much lower cost than you can.
3) A farmer production per hour on food production is away bigger than yours.
4) The general public, free from the demand of producing food, can focus their effort on professions that have higher requirement of training, thus pays more.
5) The general public will be producing much more money/hour than they would by planting.
6) There is a limited amount of hours that people are capable or willing to work.
7) It is better for your country's GDP that you produce more money.

[Forogil]

Has some checked if there are sufficiently many rabbits in Venezuela that this can have a significant impact? (Obviously rabbits breed like rabbits, but even rabbits need to eat - and if you cull their numbers too much you will not have any left.)