Remove titanforging?

[Deleted]

Cap it to +15 but no more.

I'm farming in HM the Maiden engine trinket (that never loot). Every single week = nothing even with seal.

And I had seen a Rogue who looted it titanforged 940 in LFR... (i'm jealous because he did shit and died after 30 seconds of the fight... and got it titanforged...)

[killwithpwr]

Either cap it at a reasonable number where people who push the limits (high Mythic progression) can still feel rewarded when killing new bosses.
Or make system like MoP and WoD had where you get a set gear drop and its upgradable a certain amount via points of some sort.

Or better yet, make challanges in game that are more skill based and less gear based. I would love that.

On a side note, this weak alone i got 2 955 items. And ireally felt awfull for getting them.
One is a crappy stat Chest (alot of mastery for Ret Palasin) and i have to wear it cus of the ilvl alone.
The other was a good stat waist that i will never use because of BiS legendary.

I rarely get gear, and finally when i get lucky enough to get a high ilvl proc for me, its for shitty gear that doesnt make that much of a difference and i know that the poasibility of me getting any gear thats gonna be better is lower now...

[Deleted]

Yea yea yea.

Here's one for you Hombre:

Real raiders raid and don't give a shit about what's dropping for players who don't raid progression.

If you want the definition of real raider, let me know.

Spouting your bs rebuttal to the why do you care argument is......bs.

Adios progression raider, see you in the top 10.


Doubt it though since you give a fukk about what lfr drops titan forged.

Biggest bullshit ever..a REAL raider try his/her best whenever is possible to make the progression higher chance, including better gear which is better dps/healing/survivability aka better chance to win against an encounter. Otherwise you just don`t give a crap about progression and the other ppl in the raid...

[primalmatter]

It depends what you enjoy in a game... If you play games for a power fantasy where you never lose and crush everything (easy mode gamers)

Or if you enjoy a challenging game that is well thought out and designed to be increasing difficult as you advance through it.

Neither one is really better then the other but they tend to be unable to coexist.

[Heeresman]

Biggest bullshit ever..a REAL raider try his/her best whenever is possible to make the progression higher chance, including better gear which is better dps/healing/survivability aka better chance to win against an encounter. Otherwise you just don`t give a crap about progression and the other ppl in the raid...

You missed my point?

Real raiders, progression raiders don't give a fukk what loot titan forges in lfr for people who never progression raid or will ever.

LFR LFR LFR LFR LFR

Now do you understand what i am quoting the poster i quoted on and why?
Re-read his/her comment and then my quoted answer/rebuttal.

2 hints: talking about lfr drops not mythic.
Number 2 hint: Method members who give way too much fukks about what lfr casuals loot and if it's titan-forged. Not.

Think and read/comprehend before you post

[skannerz22]

NO....................

[Bladesyphon]

Hmm...

Remove a system that's fun for the majority of the players, but upsets a small niche of hardcore raiders and min/maxers.

Imma go with... No, leave it as is, and don't remove it. I do feel like Blizzard should bring back Valor in some capacity, and allow players to increase something's ilvl constantly as we were able to do with the Legendary Ring in Warlords. But other then that, no, Titan and Warforging should remain as is. It's actually been really fun to play an Alt, and get a surprise 900+ piece of gear on them for doing something simple.

Besides, the last time Blizzard catered to the hardcore, raiding niche we got WoD. And no one wants another WoD.

[grexly75]

Nice that the poll question is the opposite of the thread title, I wonder how many of the yes votes are actually for keeping Titanforging...

Titanforged and warforged should be combined with the old epic upgrade system.
With an example: an item can be upgraded 10 times (for N iLvls) a standard item would drop with 0/10 a warforged with 5/10 and a titanforged with 10/10. Now if RNGesus handed you the basic or warforged item you can still attain 10/10 via getting the stuff for the upgrades.

If the mats needed only dropped in the respective raids it would make players go back to farm the raid (so the goal of the current crazy RNGforging is accomplished?) and would be able to progress with a lot more sanity and a lot less salt.

Yeah I saw it as a loaded poll as the No option just terrible.. All the poll should been is just a plain and simple Yes/No/Unsure..

[Heeresman]

but upsets a small niche of hardcore raiders

Just how 'hard-core' is a question that will probably never be proven in this thread because i doubt the real raiders, or real 'hard-core' raiders won't post in this thread and give us their thoughts on this.
I may be wrong, who knows.
Until then, the 'hard-core' raiders either appearing in this thread or being used in the complaints against, which is dubious in itself, are more than likely not.......real.......'hard-core'.

So then, no harm done.

[ey b0ss]

It's fine as is , just want my 28 30 gem slots back. My dps chars feel autistic with 10-15% haste compared to 50 60% in mists.

[Kallisto]

Why bother with Mythic if you can go heroic and get better gear? It sucks out all the motivation for Mythic before even starting. While alot of people will spout the idealistic idea that "The thrill of the kill is all you need!", alot of people are motivated by rewards. It also feeds into the unhealthy practice of split-runs.

If you're doing mythic for gear and not fun of mythic then why the fuck are you in mythic?

[DawnNoMoreRises]

I don't mind the WF/TF system but I do think the TF should be capped at the next tier of difficulty

LFR (885) TF to normal (900)
Normal (900) TF to Heroic (915)
Heroic (915) TF to Mythic (930)
Mythic (930) TF to Item Cap

this basically...

[Kazuchika]

I don't have a problem with titanforging as a system.

What I have a problem with is how fucking astronomically high it can go. The fact that I have 920 alts that have never set foot inside of a raid this expansion is ridiculous. They should just make it so warforging is 10 lvl and titanforging is 15 and that's it. None of this "lol I just got a 955 TF from a picking up squirrels" bullshit.

[Siglius]

I voted yes. But I think that they should tune it down a little bit. Lower the TF cap so it's closer to the max ilvl drops.

[Golden Yak]

Do you think Blizz should get rid of Titanforging? And if so, should we get a new system in its place? What would it be?

__________________________________________________________________________________________ _________

I would like a system where we get an option to extract the essence from gear and use those on a gear talent tree, with things like increased haste on gloves, movement speed on boots, extra stats from gems on helms (bring meta gems back!).

The new Titanforging system:

Keep the artifact power system in a new form not tied to weapons, the new Path of the Titans, basically the same thing.

When you get a piece of Titanforged gear, instead of a flat bonus, its bonus depends on how much you've put into Path of the Titans. The further along the path you are, the better the Titanforged bonus. The bonus will not improve if you progress further along the Path after getting the piece of gear.

[netherflame]

Remove it and return to the system of spending Justice/Valor points to upgrade gear.

So much this.

[Deleted]

You can't title a thread "should they remove the something" and then make the poll "should they keep the something?" I clicked yes before I realised you worded it backwards.

I don't like TF. You should be rewarded gear on par with the effort you put in and no more. Sure, it's cool when my relinquished gear goes up to 930, but all I did to 'earn' that piece was open a few chests while running around on Argus. There are people doing mythic raids for the same stuff. It's a little bit unfair and more than a little silly.

Yet you click "Accept" whenever a new patch or driver updates without ever reading the content. What's it called, hypocrisy?

[Dahij]

Hmm...

Remove a system that's fun for the majority of the players, but upsets a small niche of hardcore raiders and min/maxers.

Imma go with... No, leave it as is, and don't remove it. I do feel like Blizzard should bring back Valor in some capacity, and allow players to increase something's ilvl constantly as we were able to do with the Legendary Ring in Warlords. But other then that, no, Titan and Warforging should remain as is. It's actually been really fun to play an Alt, and get a surprise 900+ piece of gear on them for doing something simple.

Besides, the last time Blizzard catered to the hardcore, raiding niche we got WoD. And no one wants another WoD.

Fun for the majority of the players? Have anything to back that up? The TF system is shit imo and it's currently the only way for me to get high ilvl, so I think im in the group you consider majority.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

Personally, I honestly just don't care. I wont cry if it's kept, and I wont lose any sleep if it's removed.

This. It's pretty nice to get every now and then, but it's not what I play the game for. It helps that I only raid heroic so I'm less affected than the mythic guys.

[tss]

Yea yea yea.

Here's one for you Hombre:

Real raiders raid and don't give a shit about what's dropping for players who don't raid progression.

If you want the definition of real raider, let me know.

Spouting your bs rebuttal to the why do you care argument is......bs.

Adios progression raider, see you in the top 10.

Doubt it though since you give a fukk about what lfr drops titan forged.

Progression raiders care about the additional effort required for mythic being disincentivized by dumb luck in heroic, not about whatever 900 ilvl titanforge makes you feel special but serves zero purpose as you dive headlong into another stack of Determination. I'm sure you have about zero valid input on what the definition of a "real raider" is.

On that note, go back to the WoD model and remove tier bonuses from LFR. It serves no positive purpose. Then again, attracting people who are remotely competent might be the goal.