Berekrly "Free Speech Feyival"

[Elba]

All three are to some degree rabble rousers.

And by that they are enabling Nazis. Besides Ann. Bitch hates the non white, non straight, disabled.

[Sunseeker]

But what @Freighter is saying is objectively true, we cannot state there is a perfect ideology with any objective certainty.

I never claimed anything about perfect ideologies. I claimed there are superior social systems and superior ideologies.

[Elba]

You realize there are some nutjobs on this forum (like Elba, Mall Security, etc...) who genuinely think every single person not on their left is a fascist/fascist sympathizer and violence should be committed against them?

Dat victim / persecution complex just keeps coming.

[Theodarzna]

I never claimed anything about perfect ideologies. I claimed there are superior social systems and superior ideologies.

That would be a subjective assessment. There are theoretically ones that are "better" depending on specific metrics and time scales.

[Deleted]

And by that they are enabling Nazis. Besides Ann. Bitch hates the non white, non straight, disabled.

says the guy that every single cop.

[Stop Pretending]

You can't rub out an ideology through violence. Plus, the wild use of Nazi and Nazi accessory labels makes it dangerous to lock people up just because someone thinks they are a Nazi for disagreeing with them. I.E. Ben Shapiro is somehow a Nazi and needed to hide guards because of violent idiots that think like you.

Was that hard for you to grasp?

So again, your reading comprehension is shit. " I'm pretty sure I've said the use of violence is bad. I also find it funny you've resorted to calling me an idiot for your gross incompetence . Try not getting so mad next time.

[Sunseeker]

And the system SJWs advocate for where the outgroup that they arbitrarily define and ascribe people to is subjected to violent repression is your preferred system with a 'superior' outcome?

You realize there are some nutjobs on this forum (like Elba, Mall Security, etc...) who genuinely think every single person not on their left is a fascist/fascist sympathizer and violence should be committed against them? And I say their left since they hand out the label fascist to even other leftists for merely disagreeing with antifa violence.

Your statement is vague and unclear and I'm not talking about antifa. Please be clear that when I say "I'm not talking about antifa" that means I'm not interested in allowing a discussion about the in-viability of Nazi ideology to be side-tracked to discussion about some other group. I'm talking about Nazis and the people who promote, sanction and participate in their ideology. If you want to talk about antifa, talk to someone else.

[Freighter]

I never claimed anything about perfect ideologies. I claimed there are superior social systems and superior ideologies.

There aren't though. What works in one place is not guaranteed to work in another place because people have different values. If we'd introduce a political system similar to Singapore, with all the laws and all that it entails in USA you would be screaming about how it's bad.

[Dextroden]

But what @Freighter is saying is objectively true, we cannot state there is a perfect ideology with any objective certainty.

No Theo. There has to be a best ideology, just like there has to be a best cola. And it's probably one of the ones people despise but still adopt parts of.

[Theodarzna]

And the system SJWs advocate for where the outgroup that they arbitrarily define and ascribe people to is subjected to violent repression is your preferred system with a 'superior' outcome?

You realize there are some nutjobs on this forum (like Elba, Mall Security, etc...) who genuinely think every single person not on their left is a fascist/fascist sympathizer and violence should be committed against them? And I say their left since they hand out the label fascist to even other leftists for merely disagreeing with antifa violence.

Dumb tumblr clap-back-call-out culture isn't even an ideology. It is just living proof that even if God is dead we are never free and just become neurotically obsessed with policing each other with endless litanies of arbitrary injunctions.

[Deleted]

And the system SJWs advocate for where the outgroup that they arbitrarily define and ascribe people to is subjected to violent repression is your preferred system with a 'superior' outcome?

You realize there are some nutjobs on this forum (like Elba, Mall Security, etc...) who genuinely think every single person not on their left is a fascist/fascist sympathizer and violence should be committed against them? And I say their left since they hand out the label fascist to even other leftists for merely disagreeing with antifa violence.

Here's what someone says who opposes fascism says, "I oppose fascism".
Here's what people like you say "Antifa are worse! Free speech! SJW's are oppressing the rights of nazis to take over a town and kill people....blah blah blah etc etc ad infinitum".

[Elba]

Why do you give @Connal the benefit of the doubt when you don't give that same benefit to others? I mean, is it not possible that a lot of other people are just wrong instead of hateful?

I've not seen him say anything bigoted. To be fair, I don't really pay attention to his posts. Ann, Milo and Ben have said plenty.

[Theodarzna]

No Theo. There has to be a best ideology, just like there has to be a best cola. And it's probably one of the ones people despise but still adopt parts of.

Well Doctor Pepper is the best Cola because you can say "Want DP?" and make a fun sex joke with people.

[Elba]

says the guy that every single cop.

that every single cop what?

[Dreknar20]

says the guy that every single cop.

must also mean anyone who advocates violence towards a group is a Nazi enabler.

Cause obvi if your saying violence is cool your enabling Nazis for their own violence

[Sunseeker]

That would be a subjective assessment. There are theoretically ones that are "better" depending on specific metrics and time scales.

If your outcome is social stability and longevity, which I would imagine even Nazis want to achieve, there are certain systems that promote this and others that do not. Therefore, there are superior systems and inferior systems.

If your goal is social instability and social death, then your ideology is not promoting society, and therefore irrelevant to the discussion.

[Theodarzna]

Here's what someone says who opposes fascism says, "I oppose fascism".
Here's what people like you say "Antifa are worse! Free speech! SJW's are oppressing the rights of nazis to take over a town and kill people....blah blah blah etc etc ad infinitum".

But that means nothing. People judge Antifa for its actual actions and who they attack, not their personal rhetoric and branding.

[Dextroden]

So again, your reading comprehension is shit. " I'm pretty sure I've said the use of violence is bad. I also find it funny you've resorted to calling me an idiot for your gross incompetence . Try not getting so mad next time.

/plays Jurassic Park theme

Welcome to Fantastic Park.

[Seranthor]

I mean people like you who are forever finding some bullshit reason to defend those accused of racism whether it is unintentional, marginal or just straight out fucking obvious.

For a long while I used to give people like you the benefit of the doubt but not after Charlottesville. Any one who is doing anything other than condemning actual gun toting nazis taking over a fucking town is far right scum of the worst kind.

I find racists (of all colors) to be disgusting and not worthy of giving a stage or a microphone. Yet, the left happily gives racists (not the white ones) a microphone, a stage, and even elects them to high office. I find Nazis to be as reprehensible as any other domestic or international terrorists. I also find it comical and pathetic that Nazi is becoming the new buzzword to label people with now that people like you have worn out the racist card. So I find that the labellers like yourself to be as disgusting as the ones you want to label.

[Freighter]

If your outcome is social stability and longevity, which I would imagine even Nazis want to achieve, there are certain systems that promote this and others that do not. Therefore, there are superior systems and inferior systems.

If your goal is social instability and social death, then your ideology is not promoting society, and therefore irrelevant to the discussion.

Let's say we introduced a political system similar to Singapore in USA overnight, what do you think would happen? Would it result in USA being on the same level of stability as Singapore?