Swedish politician Patrik Liljeglod 'raped for his beliefs'

[Noomz]

I'm not.






So? Social democracy is not democratic socialism. They're 2 distinct things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
Not to be confused with democratic socialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
Not to be confused with social democracy.

Okay now I know you're not serious. There's no way you could've actually read what I wrote and still say you're wrong. You simply refuse to admit you're wrong, by ignoring having been proven wrong and moving the goalposts to nitpicking semantics that you're funnily enough also wrong on so you can keep in arguing for the sake of not having to admit you're wrong. You're not adressing my points, you're just going "NOPE!" then finding something else to attack to avoid it all.
And if I just leave and give up with bashing my head against your brick wall, you will say you've won and you won't have to open your mind to yourself being wrong.

But then again, it doesn't really matter to me what you think, because I know I've proven you so wrong that you've resorted to this behavior and that feels good.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Wanna bet that the rapist will be voting for Sverigedemokraterna?

Wouldn't surprise me if he's also openly homophobic. These incidents will keep happening as the far-right realize that they're in fact NOT winning. Of course, to them, anything left of far-right views is "SJWism", "Feminism" and "Race betrayal".

[Goradan]

Sweden has become a cuck nation.

[Torto]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

Social democracy originated as a political ideology that advocated an evolutionary and peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism using established political processes in contrast to the revolutionary approach to transition associated with orthodox Marxism.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/social-democracy

Social democracy, political ideology that originally advocated a peaceful evolutionary transition of society from capitalism to socialism using established political processes.

Swing and a miss. Social democracy is socialist in nature, by definition.

Seriously, how badly do you have to hate socialism to misrepresent this stuff in a thread about a guy being raped?

Allegedly raped.

[Felya]

Sweden has become a cuck nation.

No wonder it passes your lips...

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/de...s_one%27s_lips

[Blade Wolf]

Me? You know nothing about me, who I am or what I really think. It's damned presumtious say these things about me as if you do. They ARE racist! They've proven it time and time again! Look at the photos! It IS angry men! And funnily enough they tend to have the same haircuts too...

Really? So who's voting for the largest party in the country, Socialdemokraterna? The rich? The suggestion that SD is the biggest party among the working and middle class is laughable, though I will concede that there is where their voterbase tends to come from.
SD are a bunch of criminals and thugs who've hijacked a popular issue to get into power. They were formerly a nazi party in the 90's and that's how they still act as their political figures get caught doing nazi salutes, dressing up as nazis, chasing people with iron pipes and threatening women. I've lost count of how many of their figures have had to step down because of all the crazy shit they get up to.

The moment another party takes a more conservative view of immigration, SD will die. They've only risen because of that. Many people who've voted for them have done so to show their dislike of the established parties policies on immigration.
But the really hardcore voterbase, the people who are part of their party and not just their voters I would indeed call angry white men who hate immigrants.

I'm vehemently against how immigration and integration is being handled here in Sweden. I think it's a massive failure of naivite and recklessness. But I will NEVER, NEVER vote for closet Nazis like SD.

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Not their voters. Their party members.
No, please don't project US politics here. I've had enough of that garbage. Let's not be Little America.

Exactly, the only reason they exist is because of 1 issue and 1 issue alone. Take that away and they're gone.

When they have people in the party who called africans and i quote, "fucking monkeys" or in swedish "satans jävla aphelveten" and they are allowed to stay. Yet people still deny the racism factor within the party.

[Thagrynor]

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems."
"There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them."

HERE IS THE LINK! IT'S FOR READING!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
^^^^^^^^

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production," That is the entire first line of the quote. "CHARACTERIZED BY social OWNERSHIP and democratic control of the MEANS OF PRODUCTION". If you don't grasp that the emphasized parts are literally core concepts in ECONOMICS and that the economy is a distinct defining force for social protocol, there is literally no arguing this with you because you understand so little about economics, that it is like arguing with a wall.

You want to argue that you have "proven" it can be separated, but that is like arguing that you should only ever consider the water part of cooking via boiling and just go ahead and ignore any of that silly heat aspect. You literally cannot do that. Freighter is absolutely correct that socialism is an economic policy, that does in fact have a strong effect on social policy, yes, but it is still an economic system that political ideology is built around. The entire concept is about ownership of production, ie, producing economic goods and controlling the MONEY in a society in an effort to control society. You can claim it is just a tool for what socialists want, but that is the same as arguing that capitalism is a tool for what capitalists want. By definition, you CANNOT have a socialist system built on a capitalist economy.

So saying, "Oh, just ignore the economic part" of an economic system is to say that you should ignore the system as a whole.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Why do people immediately think a large man getting raped is lying about it? Honestly....

Because he's a lefty, and right wingers NEVER do anything bad, duh.

[Shibito]

Most West-European countries have mainstream socialist parties (which have been part of government coalitions since the the 19th century).

There wouldn't have been an Age of Enlightenment (resurgence of democracies, republics and workers rights) without socialists.

WE are socialdemocratic in scandinavia not socialist the socialist parties are mostly at 2-4% of the population popular among young hipsters who doesnt work.

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Wanna bet that the rapist will be voting for Sverigedemokraterna?

Wouldn't surprise me if he's also openly homophobic. These incidents will keep happening as the far-right realize that they're in fact NOT winning. Of course, to them, anything left of far-right views is "SJWism", "Feminism" and "Race betrayal".

Yea cause the swedish democrats arent the biggest party in sweden now, oh wait they are people have woken up from the dream lefties have about ruining their own country.

[Queen of Hamsters]

WE are socialdemocratic in scandinavia not socialist the socialist parties are mostly at 2-4% of the population popular among young hipsters who doesnt work.

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Yea cause the swedish democrats arent the biggest party in sweden now, oh wait they are people have woken up from the dream lefties have about ruining their own country.

They're losing support, and will dwindle further as time goes and people stop doomsaying themselves into voting for a far-right party.

And as I said, anyone left of the far-right = "Leftie" in your minds.

[Yunzi]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

Social democracy originated as a political ideology that advocated an evolutionary and peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism using established political processes in contrast to the revolutionary approach to transition associated with orthodox Marxism.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/social-democracy

Social democracy, political ideology that originally advocated a peaceful evolutionary transition of society from capitalism to socialism using established political processes.

Swing and a miss. Social democracy is socialist in nature, by definition.

Seriously, how badly do you have to hate socialism to misrepresent this stuff in a thread about a guy being raped?

There's no reason to believe that social democracy is a process toward socialism. Here's a humorous and accurate take on it. Alternatively, one can consider that social democracy has never threatened the capitalist system. Something that has never threatened something in human history is probably not, nor ever will be, a threat.

If we consider that, let's say, FDR's New Deal programs served capitalism by saving it in a time of crisis, social democracy is a way to moderate the brutalities of capitalism within wealthy countries where the citizens might revolt without such moderation. According to this understanding, it's fine to brutalize Africans or anyone else without the political power to do anything about it, they certainly don't have the privilege of social democracy, but wealthy countries have a kind of political buffer known as social democracy to make sure they accept capitalism.

Or another analogy, the use of masks. If we consider capitalism to be a kind of Patrick Bateman-esque monster, social democracy is the Mask that monster puts on to appear presentable in public. In other words, social democracy and similars such as "welfare capitalism" or "soft capitalism" act as a way to ALLOW capitalism to exist, and continue to brutalize the majority of the world which lacks the means to stop the monster.

[kasuke06]

It should be stated that vague and/or contradictory recounts of rape are actually quite common, as unlike in movies trauma doesn't lead to particularly clear pictures. That isn't to say you should or shouldn't disbelieve him, him being a politician is absolutely a factor on the believablity, but it's not abnormal to describe it vaguely.

Strange, one would think that the more traumatic memories would be more vivid. then again, my traumatic memories tend to involve blows to the head(fights, that time I got hit by a bus, falling off the roof, car accident) so I just blamed the fuzzy bits on being concussed.

[Dezerte]

Yea cause the swedish democrats arent the biggest party in sweden now, oh wait they are people have woken up from the dream lefties have about ruining their own country.

They aren't. They are, at most, the second biggest - sharing the spot with Moderaterna. Socialdemokraterna is nearly twice as popular.

[Forogil]

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production," That is the entire first line of the quote. "CHARACTERIZED BY social OWNERSHIP and democratic control of the MEANS OF PRODUCTION".

I agree with you, and it's amazing how many miss this - even when it is in the same sentence.

[Deleted]

sounds like something made up...

[Forogil]

Swedish Social Democratic Party
"Ideology Social democracy[2][3]
Democratic socialism[3]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedis...mocratic_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

Wikipedia is not up to date, and you are still wrong - grasping for incorrect references.

Reference [3] above that state that Swedish Social Democratic Party has both "Social Democracy" and "Democratic socialism" as ideologies is
http://www.parties-and-elections.eu/sweden.html
Note that it only says: Social democracy

The reason is that "Democratic Socialism" as secondary ideology was removed in July 2013.

[Zecora]

If this had been a thread about a RIGHT-WING politician being subjected to a rape for their political belief, we would have seen all the usual suspects flooding the thread with lamentations of how horrible this was, and how it was all the LEFT's fault. Instead, we have people falling over themselves to declare the story false, the victim a liar, "and anyhow, socialism is, like, bad and stuff..."


So if the above describes YOU, wake the fuck up and look at what you are spewing forth. Rape is always wrong, male or female, left- or right-wing, no-one deserves to be subjected to it, and certainly not for their political beliefs. If you don't agree with that, I consider you a pathetic shit-stain that is nothing more than a waste of air.

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"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production," That is the entire first line of the quote. "CHARACTERIZED BY social OWNERSHIP and democratic control of the MEANS OF PRODUCTION".

By that definition, Communism as practiced in the USSR, China and so on wasn't socialism. So I guess people will have to stop using (faux-)communism as a "black mark" against socialism then.

Or, you could just accept that Socialism encompasses a range of socio-economic systems from Stalinism to Social Democracies to Anarcho-Socialism, and that a single line from wikipedia doesn't change that, as much as you wish that it would.

[Thagrynor]

By that definition, Communism as practiced in the USSR, China and so on wasn't socialism. So I guess people will have to stop using (faux-)communism as a "black mark" against socialism then.

Or, you could just accept that Socialism encompasses a range of socio-economic systems from Stalinism to Social Democracies to Anarcho-Socialism, and that a single line from wikipedia doesn't change that, as much as you wish that it would.

Clearly reading comprehension is not in your magical bag of tricks. The ENTIRE point I was making is that you CANNOT separate socialism from its economic parts. At its core, it is an economic system. Yes, there are social and political aspects that get added to it, to form things like Communism. But you fail to understand that Communism is Socialism + Politics, ie ECONOMICS + politics. I mean, it's cool that you don't get it and that you likely failed both any political science and/or economics class in school, but please don't sit here and try to make yourself seem smart while leaving out the core aspects of what is being said.

Socialism is an economic system. "Social Democracy" and "Democratic Socialism" are, like Communism, socialism mixed with a political component ... a means of taking an economic system as the basis of your government. Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy are simply the leftist/big government version of AnCaps, which is also a system of government (or mostly lack thereof) built around an economic system. This would as opposed to governmental systems like Theocracies or Monarchies, which are government systems built around religion/a head of state, rather than the economic system they seek to enforce.

[Forogil]

Or, you could just accept that Socialism encompasses a range of socio-economic systems from Stalinism to Social Democracies to Anarcho-Socialism, and that a single line from wikipedia doesn't change that, as much as you wish that it would.

Except that Social Democracies are normally not included among socialists nowadays, since they have left their socialist roots.

However, the Liljeglöd singing here
https://mittmedia.solidtango.com/vid...aget?locale=en
isn't a social democrat, he is a member of a socialist (and feminist) party. These normally exist as minor parties in Europe.

However, people shall not be raped at knife-point regardless of gender, singing ability, and politics.
Some parts of this story seem odd, but a fake report seems even odder: the police state they have evidence from the crime-scene - and it happened a few months ago.

[satimy]

Hopefully the far right takes control in Europe and secures its future