Swedish politician Patrik Liljeglod 'raped for his beliefs'

[LaserSharkDFB]

Hopefully the far right takes control in Europe and secures its future

...in response to a left-wing politician claiming he was raped because he is a left-wing politician.

I mean, context matters, man. Unless you somehow think rape should be rewarded by political gains, I don't think this is the time or the place.

[Travis B]

Funny how quite a few of the people who are crying fake news about this story automatically believed the story about the guy claiming to have been stabbed for having a Neo-nazi haircut (which turned out to be 100% bullshit).

[satimy]

...in response to a left-wing politician claiming he was raped because he is a left-wing politician.

I mean, context matters, man. Unless you somehow think rape should be rewarded by political gains, I don't think this is the time or the place.

The left cannibalizing itself only empowers the right wing

[LaserSharkDFB]

The left cannibalizing itself only empowers the right wing

Which has nothing to do with the OP. Focus, man.

[Zython]

Which has nothing to do with the OP. Focus, man.

I think it's a bot.

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...in response to a left-wing politician claiming he was raped because he is a left-wing politician.

I mean, context matters, man. Unless you somehow think rape should be rewarded by political gains, I don't think this is the time or the place.

Well, a right winger murdering a left-wig politician led to a right-wing victory. Not saying it should happen, but it will.

[zealo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

Social democracy originated as a political ideology that advocated an evolutionary and peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism using established political processes in contrast to the revolutionary approach to transition associated with orthodox Marxism.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/social-democracy

Social democracy, political ideology that originally advocated a peaceful evolutionary transition of society from capitalism to socialism using established political processes.

Swing and a miss. Social democracy is socialist in nature, by definition.

Seriously, how badly do you have to hate socialism to misrepresent this stuff in a thread about a guy being raped?

You don't have to misrepresent socialism at all so much as realise that there's a difference between a social democracy such as the Nordic model, and democratic socialism.

In the case of Sweden, there's a capitalist system in place, with the "social democrats" having abandoned any notion of pushing for democratic ownership of the means of production etc. The name is more of a legacy of the age of the party than representing legitimate socialism.

[Forogil]

You don't have to misrepresent socialism at all so much as realise that there's a difference between a social democracy such as the Nordic model, and democratic socialism.

I have long wondered about why people, like Endus, always want to misrepresent social democracy - even when irrelevant.
It seems the reason is to simultaneously embrace and reject social democracy:

Embrace social democracy to show that "socialism works", and at the same time reject social democracy for socialist solutions.

That isn't honest, and the social democrats don't want to be associated with that continued failure of socialism - and that's why we get e.g. progressive alliance as an alternative to socialist international.
However, Liljeglöd is member of a party that states that it is socialist to contrast it with the social democrats.

[Sama-81]

Swing and a miss. Social democracy is socialist in nature, by definition.

Seriously, how badly do you have to hate socialism to misrepresent this stuff in a thread about a guy being raped?

Social democracy seems to be oh-so-hard a concept to understand for some. It is NOT socialism by definition, despite its origin - the easiest way to demonstrate it, is likely to point out the fact that more often than not, they have no wish what-so-ever to do away with capitalism. It is in fact the prefered model, even if a rather comprehensive welfare state needs to be included. So while socialist principles are absolutely a part of the package, no question, capitalism remains the 'core' model. Some socialism? Of course. A socialist system? Not even close (in fact, socialism as a political system is often seen as a core enemy).

Interestingly, a synonym for "Nordic Social Democracy" is, ta-dah, "Nordic Capitalism". Both being alternative names of "the Nordic Model", for good reasons. And while we're talking about nordic social democracy, another way to analyze that ideology is to take the social democrat government that currently reigns in Sweden. They have a strong dislike of cooperating with the right, as well as with the left. So who do they want to ally up with? The environmentalists, and the centre right. Ie, they MUCH sooner cooperate with liberals and the centre right, than with actual socialists. And being very flagrant about it, despite needing the support of the Left Party to actually get anything done politically.

Oh, and while we're talking about interesting descriptors, anybody heard about "Right Wing Socialism"? Another term used for, among other movements, moderate social democracy...now I can absolutely agree with calling it socialism, if we also agree on socialism at times belonging more to the right than to the left.

[Deleted]

I am rather disappointed and disgusted that people are so quick to dismiss this as lies

[Zecora]

Clearly reading comprehension is not in your magical bag of tricks. The ENTIRE point I was making is that you CANNOT separate socialism from its economic parts. At its core, it is an economic system. Yes, there are social and political aspects that get added to it, to form things like Communism. But you fail to understand that Communism is Socialism + Politics, ie ECONOMICS + politics. I mean, it's cool that you don't get it and that you likely failed both any political science and/or economics class in school, but please don't sit here and try to make yourself seem smart while leaving out the core aspects of what is being said.

Top marks in both p.s and my economics classes, since you asked. My point was that if you want to limit the definition of Socialism to the wiki quote I responded to, a lot of socialism ends up being...not socialism.

Nice attempt at a snide ad hominem though. Pathetic of course, but at least you tried.

Socialism is an economic system. "Social Democracy" and "Democratic Socialism" are, like Communism, socialism mixed with a political component ... a means of taking an economic system as the basis of your government. Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy are simply the leftist/big government version of AnCaps, which is also a system of government (or mostly lack thereof) built around an economic system. This would as opposed to governmental systems like Theocracies or Monarchies, which are government systems built around religion/a head of state, rather than the economic system they seek to enforce.

"leftist/big government", seriously?

Well, you might want to try some more education. Your understanding is a bit unrefined to say the least.

[Sama-81]

They aren't. They are, at most, the second biggest - sharing the spot with Moderaterna. Socialdemokraterna is nearly twice as popular.

Not correct. Well, the Social Democrats certainly are the biggest party, but that's about it. When looking at the 2014 election, and which polls that came by far the closest to the result that SD then got in the actual election, we see that Sentio is the clear 'winner', and Yougov came in second place. The worst, Skop, was no less than 63% (!) off.

According to your own link, those two polls now show:

Sentio (september) - S: 25.3%, M: 17.0%, SD: 23.4%
Yougov (august) - S: 25.4%, M: 16.1%, SD: 23.6%

So their result for SD is more believable than the others. For S, Sifo was the closest (has 29.7% for september), and for M, Novus was the closest (has 16.3% for september). So, going by that we have the following as the best prediction (at this point in time):

S: 29.7%, M: 16.3%, SD: 23.4%

Edit: For reference, the 2014 results were as follows - S: 31.0%, M: 23.3%, SD: 12.9%

[Deleted]

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Seems more like a lie to get sympathy than something that actually happened. I can bet that in a few weeks the investigation will be dropped due to lack of evidence.

[primalmatter]

Wait... does captain Sweden really exist ?

I thought it was just a meme !