Leaving country to find a better job?

[gushDH]

Hey all,

I am about to finish my degree in electrical and computer engineering (it is 5 years and counts as a master, too). I live in Greece, which means it will be very tough to find a relevant job, and if I find one, the pay will be quite low.

Some people in my situation and with enough money go to take another master abroad, so they can find a job after that, or just go abroad to find a job there.

Now while this sounds good (and it is, you can find job with better pay and quite more easily there), I really really feel terrible about of leaving my relatives, dog and friends.

I don't care to find a relevant job, just one that I know is somewhat stable.

I don't know what answer I am looking for, maybe suggestions, experiences or anything you fellas can tell me.
There is the choice to just go abroad to get a master and come back, go abroad and stay there, get a master here and stay here, or just stay here and try to find a job.

Better life money wise, or better life people wise?

[Grimbold21]

Nordic countries

[Independent voter]

You got to go to where the work is, it's just the practical thing to do. Once you find a job and get experience you might be able to return home.

[Deleted]

Germany is said to have so many open vacancies that they are having trouble finding people to fill them.

https://global.handelsblatt.com/fina...me-high-764278

Honestly, that would be the country of choice if I was in your shoes!

[Strawberry]

Uh, you're an EU citizen. Find a job in any western EU country and you don't really need to get any special permission.

Nordic countries

From my own experience (I live in Sweden) I had a few friends come to Sweden to work. And while pretty much everyone in Sweden speak English, it's REALLY hard to find a job if you don't speak Swedish.
Germany is a total opposite. No one there speak English (or refuse to speak it), while jobs are much easier to find.

[Alvito]

Go for money while you are young, it allows you better opportunities with the people you care about.

[Deleted]

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[gushDH]

Go for money while you are young, it allows you better opportunities with the people you care about.

How will it work with the people I care about, since I will leave them?

[tankbug]

I was going to stay in Bulgaria for a little while, and I had a lot of questions regarding living in Sofia etc. I went to Reddit (/r/bulgaria) and asked around, and there was a lot of responses and offers to help me get settled. I also made some connections there that turned into friendships. I think Reddit would be a good place to get some insight in what's waiting for you in the country of choice.
I also want to point out that none of the people I've talked to, that have left their country to build career abroad, have regretted it. Sure, you will miss your friends and family, but they're not going away, and it's up to you to stay in touch with them. Also, Greece is a popular destination for every European country. I'm sure you can get cheap direct flights, and can travel without too much hassle and cost.

[Puupi]

Try to find a job in other EU countries first. No paper hassle or restrictions.

Moving to another country? So what, how is that different from moving to the other side of Greece, or an island, for example?

[Shinrael]

Hey all,

I am about to finish my degree in electrical and computer engineering (it is 5 years and counts as a master, too). I live in Greece, which means it will be very tough to find a relevant job, and if I find one, the pay will be quite low.

Some people in my situation and with enough money go to take another master abroad, so they can find a job after that, or just go abroad to find a job there.

Now while this sounds good (and it is, you can find job with better pay and quite more easily there), I really really feel terrible about of leaving my relatives, dog and friends.

I don't care to find a relevant job, just one that I know is somewhat stable.

I don't know what answer I am looking for, maybe suggestions, experiences or anything you fellas can tell me.
There is the choice to just go abroad to get a master and come back, go abroad and stay there, get a master here and stay here, or just stay here and try to find a job.

Better life money wise, or better life people wise?

Hmm... I've worked abroad for just 2 months and I hated it. I was in a very tough spot in my life where I needed to surround myself with close friends yet I was forced away from all of them. Some of the loneliest 2 months in my life. But I did overcome it at some point, dreaming of the days when I return home. It also depends on what you do there though. I worked as a postman (in London) as it was the only kind of a job I could do without documents (ID card was all I had) and a bank account and since I had no opportunities to meet people around my age (no time due to working all day every day, not having any friends and not being part of any communities, e.g. school/university/clubs). Now if you had some interesting job and worked with many other people your age, it could be fun. You could make new friends and so on. I dislike England in general as well. If you like the country you're going, that could be a plus. But if you don't... stay away mate.

You could always go for a short while, try stuff, maybe even save up some money and go back home?

[nightcrow]

I left Greece 3 years ago

I moved to Cyprus (it feels like an island in Greece) the distance is 1 hour 15min by plane so is very close.
Better salaries
More jobs
Lower rents and almost every apartment furnished.

I met my wife here and now we have a daughter.
I want to return to Greece at some point but not soon.

To conclude it depends on the person you are.
My friends call me Chameleon because everywhere i go i can adapt fast and make new social life.
So it depends what are your needs.
If u need any details pm me

[Shinrael]

Try to find a job in other EU countries first. No paper hassle or restrictions.

Moving to another country? So what, how is that different from moving to the other side of Greece, or an island, for example?

Ever been abroad?

Different cultures, different cuisine, different laws, differnet mindset... I am one of those people who like change and new things, but going to London was horrible for me. Being used to the level of freedom in Bulgaria (in terms of laws and so on), it was quite scary just walking down the street in London. Even got fined once during work, because I "broke" a guy's stone fence... Mind you, it was not broken at all. I just accidentally pushed it and it fell off (because it wasn't cemented) and then put it back. He wouldn't have known had he not seen me from the window lol. That day I worked 8 hours, walking 40 km with 10 kg bag full of newspapers. Only to have my 50 pounds daily payment stolen from me. Wonderful. And it all happened in 2 minutes. In England people just wait for an opportunity to sue/fine you or just downright steal your stuff.

And in order to work in England you need to first have a place to live, something to prove that to the bank (electricity bill for example) and insurance? And making all these takes around 2 months for a foreigner. My 2 brothers, their wives and my aunt all live and work in London and they have all gone through these procedures. Without such, all you can do is work half-legally as a postman! And have people send their dogs at you for doing your job!

If I have to be honest, the thing I liked most about England was the weather. The light rain accompanied by a warm but not searing hot sunlight feels nice.




Also: From the other side of Greece you can travel to your hometown relatively quickly and inexpensively. At any time. From, say, England to Greece however... even if it takes around the same time to travel if you go by plane, it will cost you a fortune unless you buy your ticket months in advance (I bought my England -> Bulgaria ticket a month in advance for 80 pounds which is a lot for me). And if you had enough money to not care about this, you wouldn't need to work abroad in the first place.

[gushDH]

I was going to stay in Bulgaria for a little while, and I had a lot of questions regarding living in Sofia etc. I went to Reddit (/r/bulgaria) and asked around, and there was a lot of responses and offers to help me get settled. I also made some connections there that turned into friendships. I think Reddit would be a good place to get some insight in what's waiting for you in the country of choice.
I also want to point out that none of the people I've talked to, that have left their country to build career abroad, have regretted it. Sure, you will miss your friends and family, but they're not going away, and it's up to you to stay in touch with them. Also, Greece is a popular destination for every European country. I'm sure you can get cheap direct flights, and can travel without too much hassle and cost.

Interestingly enough, every person I have talked to that has left Greece and moved to live and work in another country really want to come back. Yes, they enjoy and good pay, but still want to come back.

[Crispin]

There's usually alot of companies in the capitals of the nordic countries who doesnt care much if you speak the local language, I've had manager from Ireland and Spain, who couldnt say much more than hello and thank you in Danish.

[tankbug]

Interestingly enough, every person I have talked to that has left Greece and moved to live and work in another country really want to come back. Yes, they enjoy and good pay, but still want to come back.

Then maybe Greeks get more homesick than people of other countries

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There's usually alot of companies in the capitals of the nordic countries who doesnt care much if you speak the local language, I've had manager from Ireland and Spain, who couldnt say much more than hello and thank you in Danish.

I don't think it matters in the workplace, at least for big, international companies. It might be a problem for the social life outside work, though, especially finding a place in established danish-speaking circles.

[ParanoiD84]

Alot of swedes go to norway to work.

[Crispin]

Then maybe Greeks get more homesick than people of other countries

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I don't think it matters in the workplace, at least for big, international companies. It might be a problem for the social life outside work, though, especially finding a place in established danish-speaking circles.

Getting Danish friends will be neigh impossible, you know how secluded we can be There are rather large expat communities tho. https://www.internations.org/copenhagen-expats

[Puupi]

Ever been abroad?

Different cultures, different cuisine, different laws, differnet mindset... I am one of those people who like change and new things, but going to London was horrible for me.

I was replying to the problems regarding leaving family and friends. Stepping on another side of a border in the EU doesn't magically change anything regards that.

Distance and costs matter, not borders.

For example, it's easier and cheaper for me to travel to Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, Germany, any Baltic state etc. than it is for me to travel to northern Finland.

[Raakel]

How will it work with the people I care about, since I will leave them?

I'm quite sure I've missed some very good opportunities because I was always more concerned about my friends and family and tried to stay close.

It's not that bad for me today but guess what, many of those friends went elswhere later and they took off jobwise. But, after period of time some got back home.

Germany has very high demand of IT specialists and almost everyone in your job will speak English. So you can be a bit lazy learning the language. My colleague from France is here for like 10 years and he barely speaks German but it's simply not neccessary. The base language of all computer stuff is English anyways...

PS: If you have decent coding skills you can more or less define the terms of your employment yourself here....