Will Trump forever be a stain in American history?

[Deleted]

I remember asking this after his immediate election and now curious almost a year on what thoughts are. I don't think anybody can argue he has negatively affected Americas reputation worldwide

[GennGreymane]

Depends on how it ends.

[Felya]

It will be interesting how history plays the first black president being followed by one endorsed by the KKK.

[Cracked]

Has he though...? So far he has no big negatives around his 'rule', like Iraq invasion or Vietnam War or Afghanistan campaign.. those are the true stains in American history, not a couple hundred unrelated tweets.

When he takes America into a North Korea war that drags out for years.. that would be the true negative legacy that he would be leaving behind.

[Hobb]

At this point it's really not a question of if Trump will be listed by historians as one of America's 10 worst presidents, but really how far up the list he'll be.

At least this will make Bush happy who is tied with Nixon by historians at America's 10th worst president. Rather sad really with the republican's last two presidents in a row going down as America's top worst.

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/w...ed-states.html

[Felya]

Depends on how it ends.

This is very true. Bush was quickly becoming a joke president, to the point that south park guys made a show about it. Yada yada yada... 90% approval, the show is now not sensitive enough. If not for the economy at the end, Bush would have gone from a joke president, to at least a middle of the pack one.

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Has he though...? So far he has no big negatives around his 'rule', like Iraq invasion or Vietnam War or Afghanistan campaign.. those are the true stains in American history, not a couple hundred unrelated tweets.

When he takes America into a North Korea war that drags out for years.. that would be the true negative legacy that he would be leaving behind.

You think it will be North Korea? Iran recently issued a statement that they will not be pleased if Trump reverse on the nuclear proliferation treaty we signed. Which do you prefer? Fire and brimstone or coalition of the willing?

[Deleted]

The Obama era was, in my opinion, smoke and mirrors. America may be a trustworthy partner, but it's never been without faults, and its international image has always been questioned harshly.
So, in a sense, it's back to normal today. It's just a very dumb "normal".
How it evolves depends on how far the infection reaches internationally. I think the picture world-wide will be more clear when the EU severs ties with America's satellite. If it remains contained in the future, this stain can just become a "silly mistake"; something to tell your grandchildren: member when the US ironically turned fascist? those were the times. Or it may actually catapult more and more international disagreements. What the world ends up thinking about America is as much their behavior from the inside, as is our diligent response from the outside.

[Cracked]

You think it will be North Korea? Iran recently issued a statement that they will not be pleased if Trump reverse on the nuclear proliferation treaty we signed. Which do you prefer? Fire and brimstone or coalition of the willing?

Just like any other president, Trump realizes that the American nation loves to have a common enemy, be it "war on drugs" (waste of resources to this day with nothing to show for it) or "fierce terrorist leader Osama bin Laden" (he wasn't) or "Saddam and his WMDs" (he didn't).

And since the latest hit ISIS is now running out of steam (well, is dead pretty much), North Korea looks like an easy target (with the inevitable 'They have nuclear weapons that are threatening us' warmongering) to use. Though in this case everyone already knows that they do have nuclear weapons, otherwise I'm certain USA would have already jumped on the 'let's invade them' train. There is also the memory of cold war and NK is dangerously close to both Russia (biggest rival) and China (biggest importer) and neither of them exactly minds that NK is using USA as a scapegoat for arming.

Look at it from NK's eyes - everyone is asking them to stop their nuclear program (publicly even Russia and China, but obviously otherwise they support them, lest they would never get as far as they have), but if they did and agreed to disarm nuclear weapons, they would have no cards to play at all. Having nuclear weapons is the only way the dictatorial state of NK is going to survive.

I would love to see USA turn into a peaceful nation, but that simply isn't gonna happen, and Trump knows that. I'm not saying that he will decide to take armed action against NK in the end, but right now there is an awful lot of intelligence being gathered (if worldwide media is to be trusted) about anything NK related, and that doesn't show anything good.

[CostinR]

I remember asking this after his immediate election and now curious almost a year on what thoughts are. I don't think anybody can argue he has negatively affected Americas reputation worldwide

It would be far more accurate to say that the entire 2016 election will forever be a stain on American history, especially when it comes to it's worldwide reputation and it goes FAR beyond the moral character of Donald Trump or his election comments that many find reprehensible.

To go over a list:

- At the start both the Republican party and Democratic Party decided that the whole "democracy" thing is overrated and decided to crown two candidates as their nominees: Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. Voters had other ideas at least on the Republican side but still.
- The Republicans engaged in all kinds of shady tactics to prevent a Trump nomination, including pushing for delegates to be unbound at the convention and throwing their support behind Ted Cruz at the last minute ( a character many outside of the US find FAR worse then Trump ).
- The Democrats outright stole the election from Bernie Sanders by engaging in voter fraud, electoral fraud, voter suppression, bribing of his delegates and colluding with the media against him.
- The two nominees: Hillary and Trump were both highly reprehensible human beings with a great deal of baggage behind them. Seriously a country of some 300 million and these two scumbags is the BEST America has to offer?
- Media, on both sides, played favorites, abandoned any sense of journalistic duty and tried to make their candidate seem like some good moral character. This was quite disgusting to watch and it's still happening.
- In the aftermath of the election a group of activists decided to try and overturn the results of the election through the recount effort and harassment of members of the electoral college.

There's more but that's some of the most crucial stuff. Regardless of what Trump does as president getting rid of the stain of 2016 will not be something he'll be able to do.

The only way America can get rid of that stain is by electing after Trump, be it in 2020 or 2024, a person with a solid moral character through a LEGITIMATE election without any of the illegitimate tactics used in 2016 to succeed Trump.

[satimy]

He's not as bad as LBJ or FDR

[ohiostate124]

He'll go down not as the hero we deserved, but as the one we needed right now.

[JohnBrown1917]

He'll be like Bush before him, the Americans are amazing at electing shit stains.

[Xeones]

He's not as bad as LBJ or FDR

He's not as bad as two of the best presidents.

Seriously? I mean I know all you do is say false stuff but get real dude.

Trump is going to go down in history as one of the most incompetent and corrupt people to ever serve the office. Right now we are essentially just looking at a lot of work to repair our foreign relations that he has put great effort into damaging... which is encouraging considering how terrible he is. Now we have to just hope he won't do the sort of really horrible things that will cause him to go a lot higher in the list of worst presidents than he already is.

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He'll go down not as the hero we deserved, but as the one we needed right now.

Got that backwards pal.

[Deleted]

It would be far more accurate to say that the entire 2016 election will forever be a stain on American history, especially when it comes to it's worldwide reputation and it goes FAR beyond the moral character of Donald Trump or his election comments that many find reprehensible.

To go over a list:

- At the start both the Republican party and Democratic Party decided that the whole "democracy" thing is overrated and decided to crown two candidates as their nominees: Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. Voters had other ideas at least on the Republican side but still.
- The Republicans engaged in all kinds of shady tactics to prevent a Trump nomination, including pushing for delegates to be unbound at the convention and throwing their support behind Ted Cruz at the last minute ( a character many outside of the US find FAR worse then Trump ).
- The Democrats outright stole the election from Bernie Sanders by engaging in voter fraud, electoral fraud, voter suppression, bribing of his delegates and colluding with the media against him.
- The two nominees: Hillary and Trump were both highly reprehensible human beings with a great deal of baggage behind them. Seriously a country of some 300 million and these two scumbags is the BEST America has to offer?
- Media, on both sides, played favorites, abandoned any sense of journalistic duty and tried to make their candidate seem like some good moral character. This was quite disgusting to watch and it's still happening.
- In the aftermath of the election a group of activists decided to try and overturn the results of the election through the recount effort and harassment of members of the electoral college.

There's more but that's some of the most crucial stuff. Regardless of what Trump does as president getting rid of the stain of 2016 will not be something he'll be able to do.

The only way America can get rid of that stain is by electing after Trump, be it in 2020 or 2024, a person with a solid moral character through a LEGITIMATE election without any of the illegitimate tactics used in 2016 to succeed Trump.

That's true but unfortunately America doesn't want to change their circus of an election system

[satimy]

He's not as bad as two of the best presidents.

Seriously? I mean I know all you do is say false stuff but get real dude.

Trump is going to go down in history as one of the most incompetent and corrupt people to ever serve the office. Right now we are essentially just looking at a lot of work to repair our foreign relations that he has put great effort into damaging... which is encouraging considering how terrible he is. Now we have to just hope he won't do the sort of really horrible things that will cause him to go a lot higher in the list of worst presidents than he already is.

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Got that backwards pal.

Trump couldn't be as bad as FDR if he tried. LBJ was just the most corrupt

[Xeones]

Trump couldn't be as bad as FDR if he tried. LBJ was just the most corrupt

No point here since you're the sort of person who things bad is good and good is bad.

[Heladys]

It's always possible that america pulls out of this stupidity and rejects the ideology that put him forward, regaining respect in the process, but we'll have to see. It's as likely they continue to spiral into devolution for a while and eat themselves.

[Theodarzna]

I remember asking this after his immediate election and now curious almost a year on what thoughts are. I don't think anybody can argue he has negatively affected Americas reputation worldwide

You mean Trump, the mean ol' potty mouth is a stain worthy of say the near total extermination of an entire race of people and centuries of using another race of people as farm equipment?

Or anything during the Cold War?

Mean tweets is up to par with that? REALLY?

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Depends on how you perceive this. In fact, it depends on how we'll be as a society in the future. We tend to think we're right, that we're aiming to do the right thing. But the reality is that ten, twenty years further down the line, our society has a lot of time to change.

We won't really know until then, really.

[TZucchini]

You mean Trump, the mean ol' potty mouth is a stain worthy of say the near total extermination of an entire race of people and centuries of using another race of people as farm equipment?

Or anything during the Cold War?

Mean tweets is up to par with that? REALLY?

Colluding with a foreign entity to undermine one of our most important Democratic principles is certainly not something that will be remembered fondly.