Maybe Americans should stop dreaming and start doing.
Who knows, in a century or so the country's quality of life ratings might catch up to the rest of the developed world.
Your proposal is to "live the American dream" by moving to somewhere with a lower quality of life?
They automated away 60,000 jobs at a single plant that paid between $1.80 to $2.20 an hour because it was cheaper to automated them than pay the wage and they are about to come to a place requiring minimum $7.25 an hour.
They are known for polluting local areas and have been given waivers to environmental standards for state lands.
They are known for forcing high school students to work for them without pay to be counted as school credit.
And they are getting 3 BILLION in subsidies to open there.
I expect to see them open up and invest heavily into setting up and automating the place to hell and back and employing many people to keep it going. Then to keep just enough going to keep the subsidizes paying to them, afterward, they go to skeleton crew and getting massive tax breaks to do it.
The best estimates put it at at least 20 years before the state even breaks even under ideal situations where they don't force them to spend money cleaning up the pollution they just legalized them to do or try and cut jobs or pay.
This is a horrible setup and will probably just cost the state money and get nothing tangible in return and should they ever try and force them to actually uphold their end of the bargain after the subsidizes, they can always just pack up and go elsewhere and just keep the 3 billion they got. What they got weren't even just tax breaks, they got it where they can cash in and get the 3 billion in actual cash given to them as I have read it.
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If you want to achieve the American Dream, move to Denmark.
Facts are apparently a big aside to whatever you are on about anyway.
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It's never the point with alt-righters as long as said points aren't about maximizing the suffering to the biggest number of people, anyway.
Or just any developed nation that isn't the US. There's a reason why a lot of scholars and experts now consider the US developing nation status on quite a few fronts like human rights, healthcare, education and distribution of wealth.
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I live in a town of 2000 people. All the houses in this town are over 100,000 to buy. The one right next door sold for $185,000. It is a 2 bedroom house 1 3rd the size of the house I grew up in with my parents, who owned their house. And they paid the equivalent of $65,000 for it if you take into account the inflation. At the time, they bought it for $22,000 in 1981. When they sold that very same house (Which they spent the amount of $65,000 in 2017 dollars) they sold it for $150,000. More than DOUBLE the value they paid for it. And the house had holes in the walls, a staircase that needed replaced. No efficient plumbing, still used a well for the bath and sinks and didnt have access to any reliable internet or commodities. It isn't just a problem in the big cities. With all the houses in the town I live in costing over $100,000 atm for 1-2 bedrooms I have no expectation to ever owning a home.
How utterly tragic that they have to actually deal with the real world and not the fantasy that was peddled to them by those that indoctrinated them.
Instead of learning HOW to think when they are growing up, they are being told WHAT to think, and what they are being told is leading them to unreasonable expectations and destructive choices.
Making bad decisions early in live has real and lasting consequences. The accrual of massive debt early in life can and will haunt you for years, but they've been lead down this road of bad choices by those that indoctrinate them which is a double tragedy.
Home 'ownership' isn't really 'ownership'... even if your mortgage is paid off you still have to pay someone at regular intervals or they seize it... so you really never 'own' your home, you are given the illusion of owning it.
Consumer debt is best dealt with BEFORE you shoulder it, its much harder once you've let your greed or avarice overwhelm your reality.
Financial Literacy wont ever be taught because that would require a return to personal responsibility which would run counter to the propaganda state's position of 'you can have everything you want, just take it' and the precept of participation trophies.
Bernie's failure is because he was and is a snake oil salesman (like any other politician) and that the Owners of the Democrat Party were never going to let a carpetbagger bogart Hillary's chance at the White House.
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It's going to be interesting who they blame when that bubble breaks... My money is they blame Bush and Trump.
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Sanders wasn't a snake oil salesman. He promised to fight for causes and he would have fought for them and they weren't entirely realistic policies proven around the world to work.
I have heard countless conservatives though who lack the world view to understand many of the stuff. They believe cutting corporate taxes creates jobs when it doesn't. They believe people are poor because they are lazy when that isn't the case most times, they believe that public healthcare would bankrupt us when it has proven to be cheaper than we have now and so on....
And they won't accept any facts that prove them wrong. They are too set in their ways and like you said, never learned how to think only way to think. And keep racking the nation up with debt because anything that actually takes care of it they see as freeloading or theft.
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Americans do a lot...we work more total hours per year than most other 1st world countries. Also we're the largest economy in the world.
Sorry for being 9th? That's above Canada, Sweden, Japan, and the UK btw.
Hmmm...able to see the stars...not choking on pollution...don't have to live 2 feet from your neighbor...how is that a lower quality of life? Are you basing quality of life purely on access to Chipotle?
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I live on the outskirts of a town here, virtually all the younger ones are renting on the outskirts, the inside of town is mainly professionals who have money or the kids of people who have money or military men living on a BAH.
Out near Chapel Hill, I used to know friends who lived about 10 miles out of town, lived with about 9 people in a single roof with all of them splitting rent. When you got into town, never met a single worker outside of actual career fields who lived in town due to the costs of housing when I got to know them. Either you were someone with years of college under your belt or you lived out of town. Even the welders and such didn't typically stay in the city.
One of the weird things I saw out in chapel hill that weirded me out though, left a bar about 2:30am or so. All around town men were walking around just walking and holding hands in pairs. Not weird because it was men. To see this many doing this would have weirded you out no matter who it was. Was like something out of a Stephen King novel to build suspense. Was like 20+ pairs of guys just walking around slowly and holding hands in the middle of the night on the down town sidewalks.
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It seems as though economics and math has failed you on this one. Have to look at how the economy is and the labor market. As it stands, you are ignoring reality and making stuff up.
Edit: AFK, off to bed.
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It's not really a problem of "living within your means" when rent is realistically around $1000 and the minimum wage is set below $15 (I'm just using that as a bench mark because that is around what the minimum wage would be if you adjusted appropriately). Add on costs of living like food, cell phone, transportation, electricity, internet (All utilities you essentially need in current times). It gets tight very quickly.
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the Dems were NEVER going to let anyone that wasn't really a democrat (remember Sanders only joined the Dem party to make a run at the nomination) anywhere near that nomination. Sad, but its true.
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Never in my life have I had to pay $1k for rent, not anywhere I've lived. Even now with a 2BR house, 2car garage and 1/2 acre of land my mortgage is under $400 USD. Seems like I made better choices in my life with my education, life, and employment.
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The American Dream is a lie pushed by the rich to fool the average man into thinking that one day, they too will be rich. That way, the average man will not support higher taxes for the rich and will allow legislation that allows the rich to get richer. Because you are gullible enough to think that one day you will be one of them.
Better choices than who? I'm giving you statistical averages of real costs. You can say you haven't paid 1000 for rent in your life. That means you either haven't paid rent in the past few years, have been paying rent to someone who cut you a very good deal because you personally knew who they were, or you lived in a very economically stalled area.
Mortgage and rent are not the same thing, you can't expect people working near the minimum to operate like you.