I knew a group of goths growing up who didn't want to be characterized as goths, that doesn't mean the rest of the school stopped calling them goths though.
The "No True White Supremacist Fallacy"?The people who "embraced" the term "Alt-Right" are the people who became the "Alt-Right" after it went main stream in 2016.
If i were to pour 9 oz of Honey into an 10 oz container of water, and 90% of the water is replaced, is it still accurate to call it, "A 10 oz container of water"? Or is it now "A 10 oz container of honey"?
Agreed that it is nonsensical and weird now.
I am perhaps touchy because I hail from one of those cultures people consider to be "clutter", and speak that language that a great many consider just that. Even derisively claiming more speak a Tolkien language than my own (which is false anyway, but that isn't the point).
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
Just to be clear, the 'Far Right' includes a president who wants to start a nuclear war with North Korea, and by extension China, and a populace of white supremacists who think a race war is now inevitable, hundreds of millions should die, and "it will end in concentration camps".
So, as a Liberal/Socialist Canadian, I'm pretty "Far Left".
In your worldview, the threat that I pose and the threat the far right poses - are equal? My latte-sipping, high falutin', poly-amorous, purple-haired, city-slickin' lifestyle is as an equal threat to
1. the present possibility of global thermonuclear war (China has stated an attack on North Korea is an attack on China, yet obviously... we're going to attack NK)
2. isolationist economic policy (withdrawal from NAFTA, distancing from the EU)
3. the collapse of American hegemony and global leadership (trash-talking the UN, NATO, etc)
4. the attempted erosion of US liberties (healthcare for none, travel and immigration bans on certain countries, the repeal of women's rights, etc)
With each slice of avocado toast I eat, with each artsy movie I watch, with each petition I sign to ban sugary foods - my actions are of the same standard as threatening to get rid of all the brown people, or driving a car into a crowd of protesters, or getting out the microscopes to measure a "whose micropenis is bigger" contest on Twitter with the world's most deranged dictator?
Because I'm not going to lie - I'm feeling pretty damned powerful if that's the case - I didn't realize how close we progressives came to completing our final solution (peace and prosperity for all) - good thing the Right started fighting back
Saying the the Nazi party of Germany (up the the end of WW2) was right leaning is a myth. It was left Wasn't it called the National Socialist Party or something?
Nazi Germany was also not socialist in the true sense. The businesses taken away from Jews were often given to Germans and while the government did help and encourage economic growth, Hitler had no intention nationalizing most businesses.
Economic systems are also rarely easily put into one category. Economies and government interference within the economy is an everchanging process just like culture, language, etc.
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What does that have to do with the alt right again?
I am reminded of a controversy in which Native Americans sued many museums across the country because they might have the bones of a native American on display, and often that native American was their grandparent or great grandparent. I kind of don't want to be your display piece.
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
Our languages effects the way we think, act, remember and perceive reality. Unless you're bilingual it's hard to understand this. And we rarely think about how language effects our thoughts because it is such a natural part of us.
I'm saying this because a language which no one speaks is a lost language, regardless of whether or not it's written down somewhere. A language without people is paint without an artist.
I don't expect such a diverse world to agree on anything so personal. But I do hope that more languages are taught to kids. Being bilingual has a positive effect on the brain.
That is a nice long post, but I'm afraid I still consider the left as morally bankrupt as the right. At the end of the day both sides of the political fence are comprised of zealots who think they are right and the other side is not. Or in the case of why I originally quoted the person I quoted, because both sides are a "you are either with us or against us".
You don't think he considers himself as alt-right? He runs a fucking site called https://altright.com/
There is no alt-left, but your phrasing in your denial of Antifa and BLM as such makes it sound as though, even by your measure, there is a such thing as the alt-left. Fine. Have it your way. There is no such thing as the alt-left. There is now no distinction between the worst of Antifa and ideologies hi-jacking learning institutions, and people who just think abortion, single-payer healthcare, and equal rights for everyone are all good ideas. In good conscience, I can no longer associate myself with a group as violent and dangerous as the left. Therefore, I no longer identify as left-leaning or liberal. Congratulations. You literally just pushed me into the centrist camp.
"Wait wait wait, you think the Alt-Right wasn't the bad guy at the Charlottesville incident?"
Call me old-fashioned, but I generally think of the guy who threw the first punch as the bad guy. I'm not big on victim-blaming. Hey, I totally understand that you might do things differently though.
Antifa more frequently fails to get permits. Most of their gatherings, they shouldn't be allowed to show up in the first place. I'm not at all surprised you don't give a shit about that though, and only care when your political enemies fuck it up.
I don't care. Boston Antifa has said that "there is no place for liberals or capitalists in Boston." There have also been plenty of students chanting directly from the Communist Manifesto. I don't care about that either. People have the right to say stupid shit like Nazi slogans...or communist slogans. If you have a problem with that, then for real, get the fuck out of America. Free speech is a preeminent value here. As an aside, they were also chanting "you will not replace us." I like how no one ever mentions that.
All true. You forgot to mention that bit though about how he sped way, way up after being attacked by a baseball bat and then hit someone. It's very likely he would have slowed down and got in that line had he not been attacked that way, as per the video analysis I linked.
I'm going to come back to this later.
The only difference is malice aforethought. Otherwise, they use the exact same language in their descriptions in legal texts. You can declare me a loser all you like (still not sure what I'm supposed to be losing) but it doesn't make you correct, or me incorrect.
The videos from the internet show no turn-offs until he got into the crowd, and who knows how far he would have had to back up, or what he would have had to back up into. It's entirely possible he had already driven away from other people. In fact, I do believe that's what people were saying about the direction he had come from.
As per the video I linked, that actually isn't how IS runs people down. They do things like pin people between vehicles and buildings for maximum casualties. This guy not only didn't do that, but he had ample opportunity to run more people over, and he didn't. The police who arrested him said he was in fight-or-flight mode. He may have already been going fast, but he sped way up after taking that baseball bat hit. Before that, there was no indication that he was doing anything worse than simple speeding.
She was still alive after sustaining what was only a comparatively minor injury from the car. Observe.
https://youtu.be/SKZqG1T07cs?t=3m
Paramedics on the scene tried to revive her after she suffered the heart attack, but they were unsuccessful.
Hrm...that is amusing.
You think the guy is a partisan hack because of his analysis of the event? You automatically discard his legitimate points because he's a "partisan hack" in your eyes, yet you link Mother Jones like it has a shred of credibility? You are actually the worst of the lot here. I've been told that Gilrak could actually be dangerous, but your willful ignorance is the sort of thing that actually gets people killed before the revolution starts.
Surrounded by people? The road was clear and they were on the sidewalk. The guy who hit him with the bat had to reach out and extend to tag the rear of his car.
You won't find it because that is the longest footage of the event that is out there. The mainstream media has been using a shorter clip cut from that sequence. The only thing that can even come close to making your point for you is a drone video that doesn't even show the car until the last 2 seconds, of course, it shows exactly what I said earlier about there being no turn-offs, no way around, and reversing would likely lead back into people.
That's circular reasoning, friend. You can't say he was arrested on second degree murder because he committed second degree murder because he was arrested for second degree murder.
There isn't, though. You haven't produced one yet. On the other hand, You literally cannot argue with the fact, the verifiable fact that he started speeding a lot faster, after he got hit. That's in the video. Anyone can see it. Before that, we had no reason to believe he wouldn't have slowed down.
I don't care what the police chief says. I care what the arresting officers on the ground said about the suspect (fight-or-flight mode) and what the eventual outcome of the court case will be. Watch this get dropped from second degree murder to involuntary manslaughter once it goes to trial.
Ah, so if I'm not with you, I'm against you. Guilt by association. In case anyone still harbored doubt that you're a dangerous authoritarian tyrant who actually would shove anyone you don't like up against the headsman's block, I can show them this. Just remember people, he literally just said, "if you argue his case, you deserve to be punished as though you had committed second degree murder." I'm grateful on behalf of his lawyer that your only power is voting and whining on the internet.
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
If socialist is in their name, it totally means they are socialist right? Just like North Korea is a Democratic Republic and ran by the people because their real name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea or the DPRK for short. Only someone ignorant of history believes this bullshit.
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Thanks for proving to me who you actually are. A white supremacist apologist, you are no better than James Fields for doing the attack.
Actually I might say your way is significantly worse or more dangerous. You ideas are intended to be the last and the final ideas of this world. After all you say "it would be better if everyone was like me ideologically" (I paraphrase of course). Much of the Alt-Right would vanish overnight if freedom of association were restored or they were allowed to simply form some all white communes somewhere and were allowed their little autonomy. Your ideas on the other hand will be inescapable, your vision for how the world aught to be is all consuming and all pervasive. There will, in your perfect world, be no place one could go or no reasonable means of living outside of that system.
Your aspirations are global, theirs are incoherent and largely local at best. I can't escape yours, I can escape theirs. What is scariest is you believe with all sincerity you will make a paradise on Earth. What might you destroy with merciless efficiency and without a pang of guilt to create what you believe to be a heaven on earth? I fear many would perish, both people and other cherished things.
I know what Spencers goals are, I can outrun them if they conflict with mine. I can never ever escape yours however.
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On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
So the goals of the alt-right movement is to exterminate minorities. They are no different than the Nazi scum they worship.
Good to know.
“We will have a Europe, in 2050, where the bank notes have Adolf Hitler, Napoleon Bonaparte, Alexander the Great,” he continued. “And Hitler will be seen like that: like Napoleon, like Alexander, not like some weird monster who is unique in his own category — no, he is just going to be seen as a great European leader.”
I'd rather have muder clowns in the sewers, but since he explicitly said Europe, we'll probably get Swiss opera singers with a knack for yodeling childrens limps off.
And thank you, for fulfilling the stereotype of an SJW who, upon losing an argument, resorts to an authoritarian-style use of language, using words like a truncheon to beat those that disagree with you.
Take note people, this above poster is what SJWs do when they don't have a legitimate response. They say that the people they're talking with should be prosecuted for second-degree murder, for the words they use. I hope you're the prosecuting attorney. I really do. I hope you're the prosecuting attorney and I hope you say something like that in the middle of the trial. Start yelling at the defense attorney about how he's just as big of a piece of shit as his client for representing him. It will go straight from murder 2 to mistrial, skipping over involuntary manslaughter entirely.