4th Term for Chancellor Merkel as Germany rejects right wing rhetoric

[sarahtasher]

Is it agitprop if it has happened too me personally?

The 'open borders everyone welcome bit' is categorically incompatible with conservative thought.

You are fun - Say when are you going to go back on your meds?

Actually, yes, actual libertarians ARE for open borders, yes. Yes. Open borders for goods and people is a classic of the conservative thought in Europe and America. Of course, orders were given to believe that the ALENA and co. are ''kummunists kunspiracies'', but....

Also, you might not realize it, but ''jazz scene in Timbuktu'' is a sarcastiscally improbable scenario.

[Raakel]

Quite OT... But it's too fcking expensive to have children in Germany. I had to pay around 800,- EUR / month for both kids in kindergarden for a longer period. That's absurd!

There's all that "agile" work place and millenial hipster bullshit talk about about individual work life but in reality Germany is a pretty expensive and underdeveloped place in terms of work + family balance. Children are too costly, trouble getting daycare and totally messed up and decentralized school system.... Combine that with rising rents and sky rocketing real estate prices. That's why no one wants to have children anymore.

[Noradin]

Is it agitprop if it has happened too me personally?

Can you provide proof? (That'd be against forum rules.)
Otherwise it is just an anectdote you choose to tell.

Sure, it probably happens all the time, but it also probably happens all the time the other way around (Nazis claiming to be innocent conservatives).
Now if you could provide reliable statistics about how often it occurs...

[Tabrotar]

Where does this "Merkel's open borders" nonsense come from?
That one was just a misrepresentation (mistranslation) of what she actually said in that speech, but apparently it's so great at making headlines that this myth simply cannot die. Merkel always wanted control over immigration and asylum, but that means you have to bureaucratically process the applications. She said she'd help out Hungary by taking some of those applications and respective applicants off their hands so Hungary's bureacracy could catch up, she didn't send out invitations for more immigrants and asylum seekers to enter the EU.

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What or whom are you talking about?

Maybe that´s because after she said that more and more and more immigrants tend to make it into the EU?

Because no matter what she said the signal was there and they had seen and heared it (not to say the media has not their fare share in that) so they came.

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Quite OT... But it's too fcking expensive to have children in Germany. I had to pay around 800,- EUR / month for both kids in kindergarden for a longer period. That's absurd!

There's all that "agile" work place and millenial hipster bullshit talk about about individual work life but in reality Germany is a pretty expensive and underdeveloped place in terms of work + family balance. Children are too costly, trouble getting daycare and totally messed up and decentralized school system.... Combine that with rising rents and sky rocketing real estate prices. That's why no one wants to have children anymore.

That´s mostly because for decades in west germany that the woman had to take care of the children while in east germany all had to work so they had way more and better coverage for that (kindergrippe and kindergarten).

but after the reunification all the east did was bad so they also scrapped many of that institutions and so we´re now in this shitty situation.

[Deleted]

Actually, yes, actual libertarians ARE for open borders, yes. Yes.

Libertarians are not conservatives.

[Noradin]

Maybe that´s because after she said that more and more and more immigrants tend to make it into the EU?

Because no matter what she said the signal was there and they had seen and heared it (not to say the media has not their fare share in that) so they came.

Cannot blame her for something others invented about her.

[Noradin]

That´s mostly because for decades in west germany that the woman had to take care of the children while in east germany all had to work so they had way more and better coverage for that (kindergrippe and kindergarten).

but after the reunification all the east did was bad so they also scrapped many of that institutions and so we´re now in this shitty situation.

Yes, and now the women in the west do not get pension for the time they spent on raising kids, while women in the east do.

[Wvvtayy]

Except the far-right never ruled the Germany bro. Hitler and his minions were far, far-left.

If you think the nazis were left wing you're a complete and total fucking idiot and there's no point in even trying to help you because there's no use.

[Tabrotar]

Cannot blame her for something others invented about her.

She didn´t help herself with saying that she would do it again if she will be in a similar or the same aituation but with the nowlege from today.

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Yes, and now the women in the west do not get pension for the time they spent on raising kids, while women in the east do.

Also something the east often gets blamed for (which is bullshit but something like that always makes good phrases).

[Mayhem]

Iam a centrist with both left and right leanings iam neither alt right or alt left just a follower of politics.

Now nobody can dismiss this as a rejection of the extreme right and dont think for one second what a so called fringe party can achieve!

Iam English and look at UKIP Back when the tories got there first majority since John Major only 1 UKIP member got elected to parliament but 3.4 million people voted UKIP and the Tories was shit scared of the UKIP surge so they decided to give UKIP exactly what it wanted even though they didnt have to and that was to give the British people a referendum on continued membership of the EU and look how THAT turned out!!

Merkel is in a difficult position now she has lost alot of her traditional support in East Germany to Afd and now needs to turn to awkward coalitions to function. She could continue her path on open borders and risk losing more support to Afd or she backtracks and people will say 'She was wrong all along'.

Entirely different voting systems though.

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Oh, so communist are right wing?

Red fascism, yo.

[mvaliz]

Jesus 12 years now. Even longer than the dear Fuhrer.

How very non-objectively and bias-infused viewed of you, Objectivist Hyppocrite.

[Slant]

But i thought refusing a single migrant was 'Nazism'?
At least i have heard that one.
My point was more that a majority of the winning coalition does want - Fewer - Immigrants, so if anything clearly repudiating Merkels open borders.
I supremely doubt we will get any movement in that direction however, (people not getting what democracy is, and what makes it work, always fun).

Refusing a single migrant? We refuse thousands of asylum seekers per month. Not everyone makes the cut. That's not the issue. The issue is that these guys literally want to shoot everyone even touching our borders. Literally, shoot them with guns and real bullets that kill people. And deport anyone in Germany that isn't German.

Everyone, even the left, thinks a strong border is a good thing. But most people realise Germany has obligations to the world community. Not because of WW2 or some other guilt trip bullshit. But simply because we're part of it and can afford to help others. Mainly Italy and Greece in this case. Nobody here actually cares about Syria or Syrians very much. We do care about Greece, however.

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If Merkel is their one and only reference point in german politics their opinion really isn't valid. Also arguing with actual germans on this subject claiming to know more because you talk to some canadians with german roots is like claiming to be a rocket scientist because you once watched a moon landing on tv.

Be nice, he mistook "German expat" for "German". I think it's an honest mistake, so perhaps he knows only German expats that hate Merkel. There's probably a reason they hate Merkel, because Germany today felt mundanely boring, actually. It's, literally, business as usual and nobody gives two fucks about her either way. The main topic, if you found someone talking about politics, was AfD getting into parliament. And it's mostly negative.

Granted, I live in a state where AfD was dead last of all parties. I love this city sometimes.

[Mehrunes]

He cant know any better. Uninformed outsiders from over the pond could easily think Merkel is part of a leftwing party judgeing by some of her actions. Someone should tell him she voted against gay marriage!

It's outright mentioned at the start of the article though. Though I guess it shows how much Tennis actually reads his sources before he goes on spreading nonsense.

[Deleted]

Germany voted for islamization. The ship has sunk, as has France.

[Eggroll]

Germany voted for islamization. The ship has sunk, as has France.

Are you kidding? There's 13 % extreme right wingers, plus the FDP, which are neo cons, plus alot of the CSU also right wing. There's not gonna be any islamization any time soon.

[Tijuana]

Jesus 12 years now. Even longer than the dear Fuhrer.

Feels like a 100. She looks it too.

[ranzino]

her 4th term will be the most difficult, as she will have to please fdp and grüne too while at the same time will have to cater to her own party.
i wont take any bets this coalition will last 4 years. because it will not...

[Cyberowl]

her 4th term will be the most difficult, as she will have to please fdp and grüne too while at the same time will have to cater to her own party.
i wont take any bets this coalition will last 4 years. because it will not...

I'd like me some reelections. Probably Linke, AfD and SPD, after their instant coalition talk quit, nosediving and schwarz-gelb soaring again just to get this fiesta over.

[Deleted]

her 4th term will be the most difficult, as she will have to please fdp and grüne too while at the same time will have to cater to her own party.
i wont take any bets this coalition will last 4 years. because it will not...

Well on a lot of issues she would have an easier time constructing a majority with AFD than the Greens.
Not that that's going to happen.

[CostinR]

@Tennisace once shows that just how ill informed he/she is on political matters, but that what happens when people quote Guardian articles without actually bothering to look at the election statistics and understand what they mean.

For starters there's no certainty that Merkel will be able to form a majority coalition to remain as chancellor, meaning she'll either have to run a minority government OR call for another round of elections. That's quite a great thing for Germany and Europe: Utter chaos.

Why is this the case? Well the SPD has made it clear they will not continue their coalition with Merkel, and AfD has said they will "hunt Merkel" ( Seriously who does that? I've seen my fair share of wackos in elections, but that's crazier then anything I'd expect ). So those two parties, that together have more seats in parliament then Merkel's CDU/CSU, are going to make her life miserable.

That leaves the Left Party, The Greens and the FDP. The Left Party has been ruled out as they are quite radical as a party so that leaves the Greens and the FDP and Merkel needs BOTH. The differences between them are too big, the red lines too significant to believe that it would work.

So this is a disaster all things considered, best thing we can hope for is that the SPD changes it's mind and continues their coalition.